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Got the injectors reinstalled, along with the fuel tank. Pumped the primer until i had fuel flowing out the fuel pump bleeder, inlet & outlet. Cranked it over and......nothing. Injection pump isnt pumping fuel. Tired and tried, couldnt get the pump to work. Fucked around with it for a while before giving up and going home.
What’s the next move? Go back and pull the pump? Or call it quits?
 
Whats killing me is i had the injection pump working with a drill in my driveway. But that was pumping Marvels, not diesel.

Yeah i guess i need to go back and yank the injection pump again. This thing is 40 minutes away, so its not like i can go tinker with it whenever i want; i need to make sure theyre cool with me coming by, pack a bunch of tools, and then schedule half a day to mess with it. So i guess ill try again in another week or two.

Im at the point where im only going to go out there to work on it one or two more times, and if i cant get it running then im moving on. I feel like i wasted my day yesterday.
 
Whats killing me is i had the injection pump working with a drill in my driveway. But that was pumping Marvels, not diesel.

Yeah i guess i need to go back and yank the injection pump again. This thing is 40 minutes away, so its not like i can go tinker with it whenever i want; i need to make sure theyre cool with me coming by, pack a bunch of tools, and then schedule half a day to mess with it. So i guess ill try again in another week or two.

Im at the point where im only going to go out there to work on it one or two more times, and if i cant get it running then im moving on. I feel like i wasted my day yesterday.
Only wasted if you give up now.

Can you re-check the kill rack travel while the pump is still on the tractor? As in remove the handle and linkage from the equation and just operate the IP by hand? IIRC you thought it was the slide rack when you had the pump at home.
 
Yeah, youre right. Just disappointed is all, i thought it would be easy to get it running and get it home, and its turning into a big problem.
Can you re-check the kill rack travel while the pump is still on the tractor? As in remove the handle and linkage from the equation and just operate the IP by hand? IIRC you thought it was the slide rack when you had the pump at home.

I think i can? The exhaust manifold is just above it but i think i could still remove it and check it. I suppose i should bring tools with the plan of either opening the pump up to inspect, or remove it from the tractor entirely.
 
Whats killing me is i had the injection pump working with a drill in my driveway. But that was pumping Marvels, not diesel.
squirting through the delivery valves and opening injectors is worlds different pressure
I've had a vp37 pump that would bleed the lines but wouldn't open injectors, the pumping chamber end cap was damaged, I glombulated on a copper washer to seal it better
 
Whats killing me is i had the injection pump working with a drill in my driveway. But that was pumping Marvels, not diesel.

Yeah i guess i need to go back and yank the injection pump again. This thing is 40 minutes away, so its not like i can go tinker with it whenever i want; i need to make sure theyre cool with me coming by, pack a bunch of tools, and then schedule half a day to mess with it. So i guess ill try again in another week or two.

Im at the point where im only going to go out there to work on it one or two more times, and if i cant get it running then im moving on. I feel like i wasted my day yesterday.
I didn't put it together that you were the one with the injection pump.
Did it actually pump fuel with the lift pump while cranking?
I'd be awfully tempted to grab a cheapy fuel pump and run it from a can to the injection pump before i pulled it again.
 
Are you using a diverter or something or is your aux. fully dedicated to the quick attach?
Right now the system is running off the 3rd function which normally powers a grabber or hole auger. Later on I may buy a diverter valve system if I need the power for more attachments.
 
Right now the system is running off the 3rd function which normally powers a grabber or hole auger. Later on I may buy a diverter valve system if I need the power for more attachments.

That's what I was wondering. Shoulda left the wires you had for the linear and put a diverter valve up there. Make it so with a switch on it's on the ssqa cylinder and off it's your normal hydro quick couplers.
 
I didn't put it together that you were the one with the injection pump.
Did it actually pump fuel with the lift pump while cranking?
I'd be awfully tempted to grab a cheapy fuel pump and run it from a can to the injection pump before i pulled it again.

Fuel pump and both fuel filters are new. Maybe 3 gallons of fuel in the tank, all new, w/ maybe a quart of marvels mixed in. The primer is on the fuel pump, and it works, we were pumping it and had fuel to the injection pump.
In my driveway i was running the injection pump with a drill and it was pumping 100% marvels, but that was a couple weeks ago now. Yesterday, i had the 4 injector lines cracked at the pump, and when cranking over the tractor the injection pump was no longer pumping fuel. So either the pump lost prime (and ive grossly underestimated how hard they are to prime), or something else happened to the pump. I had the cap off, and the vanes in the pump looked good. Im going to have to pop the cap and check the linkages as JR4X suggested.

Worst case the inlet fitting is 7/16; i suppose i could rig up a piece of brake tubing and a small fuel can, remove the pump from the tractor and spin it over with my drill again. I like that idea of a cheap electric fuel pump, maybe ill pick one up and rig something up.

Odds are i wont get back to this tractor for 2 weeks again, so ive got time to whip something up, or get parts or something.
 
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That's what I was wondering. Shoulda left the wires you had for the linear and put a diverter valve up there. Make it so with a switch on it's on the ssqa cylinder and off it's your normal hydro quick couplers.
My motivation wasnt that strong yet to finish off the small stuff. Wires are still up front near the bucket.
 
Borrowing my dad‘s Massey GC 2310

It wouldn’t shut off yesterday, had to manually press the fuel solenoid. After pulling the 40 a main fuse and replacing it, it started and shut off just fine for a few hours.

Now tonight, I can wiggle the fuse and get dash lights, but it won’t turn over.

I can hear the fuel pump, and as soon as I turned the key to start as a loud click, and everything goes off

Never worked on this tractor before, so not sure of the obvious things to check. The fact the fuse isn’t blowing, but just needs to be pulled out and put back in has me scratching my head.

Thoughts?
 
I can hear the fuel pump, and as soon as I turned the key to start as a loud click, and everything goes off
Mine will do this with a bad or loose battery terminal. Enough juice to run the lights but as soon as the starter pulls some amps, it arcs out and kills everything. Trace the main power wire and look for a bad connection - like a screw post to the fuse panel or something.
 
What’s the next move? Go back and pull the pump? Or call it quits?
Been there, man. It's super frustrating when you get everything back together and it just won’t fire up. I had a similar issue on my old tractor—spent a whole day trying to get the injection pump working, but it turned out the pump was just shot. Ended up pulling it and sending it out for a rebuild. If you’ve tried everything and it's still dead, it might be time to pull the pump and have it looked at. On a side note, when I was working on my buddy's kubota tractors, I found some solid resources on one great site. They might have some specs that could help you figure out what’s going on. Sometimes it’s just better to take a step back and regroup.
 
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Are these fittings servicable

I have one that leaks steady when under pressure, and the other just barely weeps under pressure.

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Whats killing me is i had the injection pump working with a drill in my driveway. But that was pumping Marvels, not diesel.

Yeah i guess i need to go back and yank the injection pump again. This thing is 40 minutes away, so its not like i can go tinker with it whenever i want; i need to make sure theyre cool with me coming by, pack a bunch of tools, and then schedule half a day to mess with it. So i guess ill try again in another week or two.

Im at the point where im only going to go out there to work on it one or two more times, and if i cant get it running then im moving on. I feel like i wasted my day yesterday.
Ive got one from a 3 cyl ford 3930 I just sent off to area diesel, it was doing the same as yours had been sitting too much over period of years as my dad's health declined. I freed up the shutoff and the meter(?) rod and only ever could get it to barely dribble fuel. I think seized inside, they have had it a week I am going to reach out
 
Have been running a roof top muffler on my woods tractor. Gets the smoke away from me but never really liked it. It ended up getting busted running it through trees and started to leak.

Wanted something simple but not straight piped. Built a 3” stack muffler. It has a 2ft long baffle slid into it. It uses a 1-1/2” main pipe that has 3” washers on each end. It was cut and baffled and then wrapped with rock wool insulation and welded it place in the 3” stack. Quiets the exhaust down a lot but still has a good tone.
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Also got a mount for my pto camera welded up. This is a neck saver when grinding stumps.

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Been there, man. It's super frustrating when you get everything back together and it just won’t fire up. I had a similar issue on my old tractor—spent a whole day trying to get the injection pump working, but it turned out the pump was just shot. Ended up pulling it and sending it out for a rebuild. If you’ve tried everything and it's still dead, it might be time to pull the pump and have it looked at. On a side note, when I was working on my buddy's kubota tractors, I found some solid resources on one great site. They might have some specs that could help you figure out what’s going on. Sometimes it’s just better to take a step back and regroup.

Ive got one from a 3 cyl ford 3930 I just sent off to area diesel, it was doing the same as yours had been sitting too much over period of years as my dad's health declined. I freed up the shutoff and the meter(?) rod and only ever could get it to barely dribble fuel. I think seized inside, they have had it a week I am going to reach out

I'm hoping the pump isn't shot from sitting too long. I'm right on the border of Amish country, there's bound to be someone in the area that can refurb the pump for me.


I think we're going to go back this upcoming Friday and try again. If I cant get it running maybe I can get the rear brakes freed up and we can winch it up onto the trailer so I can bring it home. This would be a lot easier to work on if it wasn't 40 minutes away.

I bought a cheap electric pump which in going to rig up to supply the pre filter so I can make sure the whole system is properly bled. As a bonus, it came with a free package of oatmeal :laughing:
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Are these fittings servicable

I have one that leaks steady when under pressure, and the other just barely weeps under pressure.

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They are, we used them at work for years. Used to send them back to our vendor for the rebuild tho. We switched from Safeway to Dixon this year because if you so much as look at a Safeway funny they start leaking :shaking:
 
Have been running a roof top muffler on my woods tractor. Gets the smoke away from me but never really liked it. It ended up getting busted running it through trees and started to leak.

Wanted something simple but not straight piped. Built a 3” stack muffler. It has a 2ft long baffle slid into it. It uses a 1-1/2” main pipe that has 3” washers on each end. It was cut and baffled and then wrapped with rock wool insulation and welded it place in the 3” stack. Quiets the exhaust down a lot but still has a good tone.
IMG_3653.jpeg


Also got a mount for my pto camera welded up. This is a neck saver when grinding stumps.

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Didn’t take long to smash up.
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Bent it too.

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So dumb question…
My old bulldozer the radiator blew out (drew from engine bay and blew out the front).

It was kinda nice because if you were burning piles and real careful, you can fan the fire with the tractor.

So I saw another thread on a different forum where the guy was complaining about bush hogging and the radiator filling with dust and dirt causing it to overheat.

So I was wondering…. Do all farm tractors suck or do some brands blow?
 
So I was wondering…. Do all farm tractors suck or do some brands blow?

Most farm tractors suck. IH 88 series I believe, before it became Case IH tractors had a blow fan. Most dozers blow. Some guys would switch them around from summer to winter on open station to help keep them warm.
 
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