The TRACTOR thread

[back woods]

did you build the skidder cage for your 850? looks pretty handy. Does your place lay pretty flat or does it have some hills?

Yeah, its original use was for falling debris but works great for brush busting with a mower and all types of woods work. It’s mostly 1/4” angle iron, 2” pipe for the hood bars and expanded steel for the openings. I do mostly flat work but have had it in some steep areas. For steep work I grab a big log in the grapple to keep the front end down.

 

[KB6Chris]

Ive got a wood xt172 brush hog that im trying to replace the output seal. It had a National 410394 seal. I cant find that anywhere. That seems to match to a similar national seal 473227. Both those seals and the measurements im getting are 1.5 id and 2.125 od.
Am I measuring something wrong? shouldn't this be a really common seal?

Looking at the Timken/National catalog The ID and OD of 410394 and 473227 are the same. But the width of the seal is .312 on the 473227 and .437 on the 410394. Both seals are Nitrile compound.

ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT - OEM 410394 SEAL : MIBearings LLC Looks like they have a 410394. I've never used them before but they came up.

If the 473227 is easier to find. It would probably work, may not last as long or seal as well being thinner sealing area but who knows

 

[bgaidan]

Ive got a wood xt172 brush hog that im trying to replace the output seal. It had a National 410394 seal. I cant find that anywhere. That seems to match to a similar national seal 473227. Both those seals and the measurements im getting are 1.5 id and 2.125 od.
Am I measuring something wrong? shouldn't this be a really common seal?

Click on "interchanges" and it should give you a shit ton of alternate part numbers to chase.

SKF - 14876 | Midwest Heavy Duty Parts

Buy SKF - 14876 Seal | Midwest Heavy Duty Parts

midwestheavyduty.com

Edit: No promises that this is correct.

Amazon.com

Or, even better and actually list the same dimensions you have

Amazon.com

 

[1oddtech]

What is so special about Kubota Super UDT2 hydro fluid? What makes it different than any other hydro fluid? I have gallons of generic hydraulic fluid for log splitters and other implements that I'd like to use in my Kubota instead of the super expensive Super UDT2 at $60/gallon, but don't want to fuck up my tractor either. I also don't want to "just put it in the tractor and find out" the hard way. I will just suck it up and buy S-UDT2 if I have to.

Wet brakes and clutches don't like "standard" hydraulic oil.

 

[1oddtech]

This came up in the drt thread and I haven't gotten a good answer yet

Ditchrunner said:

I just wish Deere would quit with the anti repair antics.


What does Kubota New Holland Massey Ferguson and such allow you to do that Deere doesn't? Deere has free parts lookup and availability to buy legit software.

The only response I got was about resetting the service interval which is in the owners manual on how to do.

 

[KB6Chris]

"Until recently, manufacturer restrictions meant only company-authorized representatives could own and use diagnostic tools, and make fixes when needed." from some news article on the internet.

From what it sounds like, a piece of equipment throws error code. Only JD tech has access to software to plug in and see what is wrong.

Slightly off topic but relevant to tractors. JD came out with a sprayer system recently where it uses cameras and software to "see" weeds and activate/deactivate sprayer nozzles on the sprayer booms to just spray the weeds and not a blanket of chemical across the whole field.

Sounds great right? Except the new equipment not only costs more. But now you have to pay X dollars per acre to JD just to use the technology on the the equipment you bought. Yes you can use the sprayer in a traditional fashion. But wanna use the fancy camera system? "Insert cash or select payment type"

 

[Gravy]

I like the 90s deeres of that generation. Yanmar rattles are great.

Here is the 870 with hoe 8b? Backhoe

 

[JD Mark]

This came up in the drt thread and I haven't gotten a good answer yet

Ditchrunner said:

I just wish Deere would quit with the anti repair antics.


What does Kubota New Holland Massey Ferguson and such allow you to do that Deere doesn't? Deere has free parts lookup and availability to buy legit software.

The only response I got was about resetting the service interval which is in the owners manual on how to do.

I was under the impression the software is not available to anyone but dealers.

And if the equipment is under warranty, there is no way to repair it without the software and trying to do it yourself or use anyone else, warranty is voided.

 

[WTF?]

Finally found the limits of abusing the old Deere 4200 using a 5’ bush hog as a mulcher for 3-5” trees.

One of the cutoff tree stubs exacted its revenge and jammed up in one side of the undercarriage and snapped off the mid pto engagement arm and tore out the sensor connector.

I don’t use the mid pto for anything, so I’m not too bent out of shape about that, but The dash now shows pto engaged at all times whether or not it’s actually engaged so you can’t get off the seat without it killing the engine and you can’t crank it unless you jump the solenoid on the starter while holding the seat down with your other hand. Luckily I have. 6.5’ wingspan for this feat.

Completing the circuit at the 2 pin connector with a jumper wire doesn’t work, and leaving it disconnected doesn’t work either, so I guess maybe one wire wants to go to ground?

I suppose I can google a seat switch bypass but that’s probably less than ideal, and I’m sure the safety guys will tell me osha is going to visit my backyard and fine me.

 

[[486]]

Finally found the limits of abusing the old Deere 4200 using a 5’ bush hog as a mulcher for 3-5” trees.

One of the cutoff tree stubs exacted its revenge and jammed up in one side of the undercarriage and snapped off the mid pto engagement arm and tore out the sensor connector.

I don’t use the mid pto for anything, so I’m not too bent out of shape about that, but The dash now shows pto engaged at all times whether or not it’s actually engaged so you can’t get off the seat without it killing the engine and you can’t crank it unless you jump the solenoid on the starter while holding the seat down with your other hand. Luckily I have. 6.5’ wingspan for this feat.

Completing the circuit at the 2 pin connector with a jumper wire doesn’t work, and leaving it disconnected doesn’t work either, so I guess maybe one wire wants to go to ground?

I suppose I can google a seat switch bypass but that’s probably less than ideal, and I’m sure the safety guys will tell me osha is going to visit my backyard and fine me.

prolly a resistor in the sensor or some such shit
stick a multimeter onto the sensor and see what kinda sneeze it has going on in there
ETA: might be a pressure sensor reading clutch application pressure, dunno, so look at it

 

[speed bump]

I was under the impression the software is not available to anyone but dealers.

And if the equipment is under warranty, there is no way to repair it without the software and trying to do it yourself or use anyone else, warranty is voided.

You can absolutely buy a subscription to the Deere or the Cat software. It's somewhat worthless as you can't get access to the emissions controls stuff in the software though. You need to do a DPF replacement? Well that's a service call (and I'm pretty sure everybody does it).

 

[1oddtech]

You can absolutely buy a subscription to the Deere or the Cat software. It's somewhat worthless as you can't get access to the emissions controls stuff in the software though. You need to do a DPF replacement? Well that's a service call (and I'm pretty sure everybody does it).

False, you can absolutely do a DPF, turbo, injector, SCR etc. replacements with the customer software. The only function you cannot perform is updating the controller software. If the equipment is under warranty why would you want to repair it yourself? All of the new equipment can be diagnosed thru the displays without being able to connect to the equipment.

 

[arse_sidewards]

If the equipment is under warranty why would you want to repair it yourself?

Because shit is about to be rotting in the field and the tractor needs to run NOW

 

[1oddtech]

Sooo your dealer sucks?


And that's why im able to be an independent mobile technician with hacked software is to be able to get to customers faster than a dealer.

 

[Hooligan]

Yellow jackets not hornets

You dare disturb the hive.

Looks like reflection, you have a cab? Did you keep driving over it?



. At night, I put a bucket over the nest and one of those bug bombs. Has worked on two or three nests I’ve had.

 

[WTF?]

prolly a resistor in the sensor or some such shit
stick a multimeter onto the sensor and see what kinda sneeze it has going on in there
ETA: might be a pressure sensor reading clutch application pressure, dunno, so look at it

Internet says these switches should be able to be jumpered. And it’s hydrostatic so no clutch.

I may have taken out both pto switches simultaneously; a littele web sleuthing says that this piece of shrapnel on the other side slides right by the rear pto switch located under the left side of the seat behind the fender.

I might want to buy a lotto ticket with the odds of tearing up switches on both sides of the u dercsrriage simultaneously;

 

[[486]]

And it’s hydrostatic so no clutch.

(if something disengages, there's a clutch there, maybe it's a manually actuated one though)

 

[1oddtech]

(if something disengages, there's a clutch there, maybe it's a manually actuated one though)

Yes it is a mechanically actuated wet clutch for the rear and mid PTO. He needs to jumper the mid pto switch and the seat switch. No resistors in the switch's

 

[WTF?]

Yes it is a mechanically actuated wet clutch for the rear and mid PTO. He needs to jumper the mid pto switch and the seat switch. No resistors in the switch's

It was actually the rear pto switch/ neutral safety switch that’s behind the left rear fender- after I unjammed the 3” pine limb and picked all the tree fiber out of the female connector on that switch pto light is out and it now cranks with the key when not sitting in the seat.

Total carnage: the rear pto switch had the tang that secures the male clip on and the mid pto switch lost the male tang. And the mid pto shift arm is snapped and that appears to be a non- serviceable arm- will probably rig some vice grips as a shift linkage if I ever want to use the mid pto.(edit- the shift arm is roll pinned on and looks like it’s $40+shipping.)

 

[OutlawRider]

Because shit is about to be rotting in the field and the tractor needs to run NOW

Curious, have you ever stepped in a field in your life? Secondly, have you actually worked in the ag industry?

 

[MuntCuffin]

I was under the impression the software is not available to anyone but dealers.

And if the equipment is under warranty, there is no way to repair it without the software and trying to do it yourself or use anyone else, warranty is voided.

They threw us some crumbs and started selling diag software (at a stupid price). Still cannot program modules, calibrate vgt's, etc.

So while they sell "diag software" its fuckin worthless.

 

[MuntCuffin]

Curious, have you ever stepped in a field in your life? Secondly, have you actually worked in the ag industry?

While what he said is a bit over the top, their is shit that needs to happen ricky tick or stuff starts getting really expensive/complicated.

You have very very little leeway when racing the corn to get gas in the ground before its too damn tall and all the money you spent on anhydrous is just gonna have to go unused...better pray your tanks don't leak. Not only that, but now you gotta pony up for a few truckloads of urea...plus coating upcharges to prevent volatlization if it ain't gonna rain for a minute.

All because your sidedressing tractor shit out a module and deere can't get to you for another week or two.


Or your brand new million dollar combine broke down for the 6th time in harvest, cost you enough time that now ita fuckin December, and the crops are getting snowed on and degrading in the field.

Or get blown over by a late November storm and now you got corn laying on the ground.


And ya just think, if you would have had your old shit you would have been done a month ago. Like you were last year, and almost every year before.


Weather delays and breakages cause enough headaches in farming. Headaches that cost very real money, either in reduced yield or reduced crop quality.


No need to fuck it up further with shitty over complicated equipment that you have no ability to fix. But yet thats what we've done.

 

[1oddtech]

That question was directed at someone else but yes you are correct

 

[87manche]

I was under the impression the software is not available to anyone but dealers.

And if the equipment is under warranty, there is no way to repair it without the software and trying to do it yourself or use anyone else, warranty is voided.

Lawsuit made it available to the average person.
It's still something like a 3k yearly subscription.

 

[OutlawRider]

While what he said is a bit over the top, their is shit that needs to happen ricky tick or stuff starts getting really expensive/complicated.

You have very very little leeway when racing the corn to get gas in the ground before its too damn tall and all the money you spent on anhydrous is just gonna have to go unused...better pray your tanks don't leak. Not only that, but now you gotta pony up for a few truckloads of urea...plus coating upcharges to prevent volatlization if it ain't gonna rain for a minute.

All because your sidedressing tractor shit out a module and deere can't get to you for another week or two.


Or your brand new million dollar combine broke down for the 6th time in harvest, cost you enough time that now ita fuckin December, and the crops are getting snowed on and degrading in the field.

Or get blown over by a late November storm and now you got corn laying on the ground.


And ya just think, if you would have had your old shit you would have been done a month ago. Like you were last year, and almost every year before.


Weather delays and breakages cause enough headaches in farming. Headaches that cost very real money, either in reduced yield or reduced crop quality.


No need to fuck it up further with shitty over complicated equipment that you have no ability to fix. But yet thats what we've done.

I farmed the first half of my life. I understand what goes on. I also know if it is a big issue, our dealer always gave us a loaner. The electronics have over complicated things no doubt. And driven the cost insanely high

 

[back woods]

Pretty decent looking HT4 for sale for $4k. Says the sprockets are worn but looks pretty clean otherwise.

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[[486]]

But yet thats what we've done.

but
dat autosteer, tho

 

[billybob_81067]

but
dat autosteer, tho

I'm still farming it old school with my laser eyeball and markers. A lot of the tractors I use are open cab 66 series internationals. I can fix them with a hammer.

 

[MuntCuffin]

but
dat autosteer, tho

The push for automation has its merits. Finding people that actually want to WORK on a farm and not just hold a steering wheel is getting more difficult by the day. Or they show up coked out of their mind and are just a massive liability.

Dunno what the answer is. Cut off the welfare and force people to work for what they consoom I suppose.

 

[Kriptonite]

50 hours, getting used to the hydrostatic trans vs a GST took a minute or two. Got it down now and make damn good time.
Here's one in his work clothes