Texas Gov Abbot/National Guard Block Border Patrol

[bigun]

Working in Co, in Aspen trim carpenter was from Australia, had spent multiple years and at least 10k trying to become a US citizen. All the stucco crew were illigals had 4 or more radios all tuned to the same station turned up to eleven, Aussi used to bitch all the time there were only 3 or 4 of what seemed like 20 that spoke poor english.
This has been in the works since the 60s, till Teddy "The Swimmer Kennedy", we had a program that worked allowing farm workers in, but "The Swimmer" needed cheaper than the blacks in to do his lawn work, so they changed the law

 

[rockota]

Going back a bit. Biden cannot federalize the National Guard and use them in Texas.

Posse Comitatus Act: What Does It Mean to Local Law Enforcement? | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

Alex Jones may be proven correct... again.

 

[Texas97]

So how do you figure they have any Constitutional protections at all ? Please explain that to me like I'm a 5 year old

the problem is, it doesnt have to be one or the other. the illegal immigrants have broken federal laws and state laws in Texas. If there is probable cause to stop them, whatever it is, then being illegal is fair game for arrest. thats completely within the constitution.

if DWI road blocks and checkpoints are constitutionally sound and they have passed that scrutiny, then those same style road blocks should be legal to check proper ID, car registration, insurance, which would ipso facto lead you to who is illegaly in this country or not.

Going back a bit. Biden cannot federalize the National Guard and use them in Texas.

Posse Comitatus Act: What Does It Mean to Local Law Enforcement? | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

since when does Biden follow the law?

 

[WaterH]

Sadly you're right. It's also going to be a legal nightmare. How do you find, process, and deport millions of people without seriously infringing on people's rights? Passive deportation of finding illegals in things like traffic stops is only going to go so far. Catching them at the border is one thing, but what about the millions already here? I'm all for giving them all the boot, but I'm not willing to overlook trampling all over the Constitution to do it. Nevermind the general optics of it.

One way I see is the cops ask questions of a suspect illegal. If they can’t speak English, that would be Probuble cause to check papers. I like that because the illegals that can’t speak English are the biggest problem. Obviously, you would check statis of anyone arrested for something else.

Incentivize them to turn themselves in. You turn yourself in you don't get charged for being here illegally, we send you back to your home country on our dime and you're free to apply to come back legally in the future unless you're caught here illegally again. Waive any outstanding misdemeanors.

This, if you are caught, DNA will be takin.

Biden trying to federalize the TX national guard would not end well for him and would kick off a massive shit show he nor the federal government wants. Abbott knows this and isn't going to back down.

This is something I don’t understand. I’ve heard that the guard is already federal and they have emergency plans to rotate the guard if they need to enforce marshal law. Florida guard in Ohio, Texas guard in Virginia, etc. That way they don’t have solders shooting their family.

 

[Texas97]

One way I see is the cops ask questions of a suspect illegal. If they can’t speak English, that would be Probuble cause to check papers. I like that because the illegals that can’t speak English are the biggest problem. Obviously, you would check statis of anyone arrested for something else.



This, if you are caught, DNA will be takin.



This is something I don’t understand. I’ve heard that the guard is already federal and they have emergency plans to rotate the guard if they need to enforce marshal law. Florida guard in Ohio, Texas guard in Virginia, etc. That way they don’t have solders shooting their family.

So the guard will be brought in to shoot American citizens?

 

[rockota]

So the guard will be brought in to shoot American citizens?

Kent State.

 

[Grendel]

This is something I don’t understand. I’ve heard that the guard is already federal and they have emergency plans to rotate the guard if they need to enforce marshal law. Florida guard in Ohio, Texas guard in Virginia, etc. That way they don’t have solders shooting their family.

That's against the laws I posted.

 

[Splib]

So the LEO in Texas are going to pull over 87Comanche for his too dark window tint ? And the old
" Your license plate light is out". I am OK with that. It's better than what they did in El Salvador. But that was easy. The gangs had flagrantly and openly operated with impunity for so long that they all had the same uniform. A shaved head, male, and the M13 tattooed on their back. They were all easily identified and rounded up. Sucks for " civil liberties" but thats what happened. 70,000 jailed and a huge new prison completely bult in 6 months. Lots of lonely young women with no boyfriend around now.

You may not recall but Obama's AG sued the state of AZ for it's new stop and check law being used to identify illegals. I downloaded the relevant part of the AZ and existing Fed law and they were identical. I made my FIL read that as he was an ardent Obama supporter.

 

[Texas97]

Kent State.

.but was marshall law declared there?

 

[bigun]

.but was marshall law declared there?

Nope, green LT shoved into somewhere troops shouldn't have been used, Unless they are MP trained troops make terriable police. Read a retired Lt Col review of everything that had been done wrong leading up to the situation thsat they found themselves in to where they were scared

 

[east_beast]

Alex Jones may be proven correct... again.

The problem with Alex Jones is that he never met a conspiracy theory he didn't love. Inevitably some conspiracy theories will be proven true but it's hard to claim you were "right" when you believe them all. I mean, I could predict that it's gonna rain everyday and inevitably I'm gonna be right every now and then.

 

[Splib]

Nope, green LT shoved into somewhere troops shouldn't have been used, Unless they are MP trained troops make terriable police. Read a retired Lt Col review of everything that had been done wrong leading up to the situation thsat they found themselves in to where they were scared

Thank you. Rough times for the USA.

 

[Motorcharge]

This, if you are caught, DNA will be takin.

This is exactly the kind of shit I'm worried about. You might want to think long and hard about the slippery slope that comes from allowing the Feds to create DNA databases.

It's easy to overlook shit we would never tolerate otherwise when being done in the name of getting rid of illegals but like all things with the Feds, you open Pandora's box to give them an inch and they take off running with it forever. No power is ever temporary with them.

 

[Texas97]

This is exactly the kind of shit I'm worried about. You might want to think long and hard about the slippery slope that comes from allowing the Feds to create DNA databases.

It's easy to overlook shit we would never tolerate otherwise when being done in the name of getting rid of illegals but like all things with the Feds, you open Pandora's box to give them an inch and they take off running with it forever. No power is ever temporary with them.

you think the feds dont have your DNA? come on.



there was a law passed in 1986 that prevented the government from having a list of gun owners and their firearms. you know they have a list with your name on it when you own firearms?

 

[Void_of_Light]

This is exactly the kind of shit I'm worried about. You might want to think long and hard about the slippery slope that comes from allowing the Feds to create DNA databases.

It's easy to overlook shit we would never tolerate otherwise when being done in the name of getting rid of illegals but like all things with the Feds, you open Pandora's box to give them an inch and they take off running with it forever. No power is ever temporary with them.

No need, all our relatives paid 23 and me to create it for them.

 

[Elwenil]

Purge them. It's the easiest way.


Just sell hunting licenses with tags.

Once that gets out, the motherfuckers won't want to come here and mooch.

 

[Motorcharge]

you think the feds dont have your DNA? come on.



there was a law passed in 1986 that prevented the government from having a list of gun owners and their firearms. you know they have a list with your name on it when you own firearms?

It's just an example. There's a world of difference between them doing something anyway and specifically authorizing and encouraging.

I'm well aware they do that kind of shit anyway, I'm just generally concerned with what they're going to do and try to get away with in response to yet another manufactured crisis.

 

[Thumping]

This is exactly the kind of shit I'm worried about. You might want to think long and hard about the slippery slope that comes from allowing the Feds to create DNA databases.

It's easy to overlook shit we would never tolerate otherwise when being done in the name of getting rid of illegals but like all things with the Feds, you open Pandora's box to give them an inch and they take off running with it forever. No power is ever temporary with them.

Honestly, the only ones the DON'T have are probably illegals...

 

[Juztyn00]

Sadly you're right. It's also going to be a legal nightmare. How do you find, process, and deport millions of people without seriously infringing on people's rights? Passive deportation of finding illegals in things like traffic stops is only going to go so far. Catching them at the border is one thing, but what about the millions already here? I'm all for giving them all the boot, but I'm not willing to overlook trampling all over the Constitution to do it. Nevermind the general optics of it.

Start with the ones being arrested for breaking our laws and already in the Justice system, Then add stiff penalties for employers hiring without proper documentation to disincentivize them looking for work, remove assistance programs, make transporting them around the country illegal (it already is) and enforce those laws, Make it hard for them to live here, then offer programs for them to voluntarily to go home. Deport the rest as they are found. The old one bite at a time mentality, the problem got worse over time, it will only be solved over time.

 

[Motorcharge]

Start with the ones being arrested for breaking our laws and already in the Justice system, Then add stiff penalties for employers hiring without proper documentation to disincentivize them looking for work, remove assistance programs, make transporting them around the country illegal (it already is) and enforce those laws, Make it hard for them to live here, then offer programs for them to voluntarily to go home. Deport the rest as they are found. The old one bite at a time mentality, the problem got worse over time, it will only be solved over time.

Yeah, hopefully it's measured approaches like this. As much as Trump is a loud mouth, most of his actual actions in office were pretty well thought out and more middle of the road. Hoping that's the same case here.

Just when it comes to government I assume the worst. Especially if we're coming off 4 years of the pendulum swinging the way it has. I don't want to see rabid over policing anymore than the encouraged lawlessness we've seen in the past several years.

 

[Kyle]

More like are you ok with the Feds kicking your door in because they suspect you're illegal or cops pulling you over 5x as much because you drive a construction vehicle.

Your argument is not at all correct.

The problem with Alex Jones is that he never met a conspiracy theory he didn't love. Inevitably some conspiracy theories will be proven true but it's hard to claim you were "right" when you believe them all. I mean, I could predict that it's gonna rain everyday and inevitably I'm gonna be right every now and then.

what’s he wrong on? Sandy hook is the one everyone goes to but at the end of the day he still hasn’t been proven wrong.

 

[rockota]

.but was marshall law declared there?

does that matter, though?

 

[Aisin]

Sadly you're right. It's also going to be a legal nightmare. How do you find, process, and deport millions of people without seriously infringing on people's rights? Passive deportation of finding illegals in things like traffic stops is only going to go so far. Catching them at the border is one thing, but what about the millions already here? I'm all for giving them all the boot, but I'm not willing to overlook trampling all over the Constitution to do it. Nevermind the general optics of it.

You are missing the big picture. These people are not US citizens therefore they have ZERO fucking rights in my country.

 

[SanDiegoCJ]

The problem with Alex Jones is that he never met a conspiracy theory he didn't love. Inevitably some conspiracy theories will be proven true but it's hard to claim you were "right" when you believe them all. I mean, I could predict that it's gonna rain everyday and inevitably I'm gonna be right every now and then.

Or the FEMA concentration camps.

 

[east_beast]

Your argument is not at all correct.

what’s he wrong on? Sandy hook is the one everyone goes to but at the end of the day he still hasn’t been proven wrong.

I mean, I can't PROVE that lizard people don't exist but I'd bet a lot of money against it. This is the slippery slope of conspiracy brain. Oh, so you can't PROVE it's not correct so that means it's correct. When you make wild claims the burden of proof is on the claim.

 

[Motorcharge]

You are missing the big picture. These people are not US citizens therefore they have ZERO fucking rights in my country.

That's not how the Constitution or natural rights work. Citizenship has fuckall to do with Contitutional rights outside of things like voting.

 

[Texas97]

Or the FEMA concentration camps.

That was a real thing, at one point. Concentration is probably not the right term, but I did some feasibility for a site near beeville several years ago stacking fema trailers with 2-4' of space between eave overhang. It was like 30 acres.

This was for a contractor bidding on the work. I think it was drainage and utility design and fencing. Been about 7-8 years ago. Wasn't told why. Certain they did not build it

 

[rockmup]

Constitution follows the flag. It doesn't grant rights, it recognizes natural rights and restricts our government. Rights like freedom of speech or 4th amendment protections apply to everyone, not just citizens.

You're on crack if you think invaders are protected by the Constitution. Have liberal courts sided with you, sure. Is it correct, absolutely not.

Texas97 I think you're confused about my question, I fully agree with you.

 

[Texas97]

That's not how the Constitution or natural rights work. Citizenship has fuckall to do with Contitutional rights outside of things like voting.

While I agree with what you're saying, the constitution protects rights that don't exist in "nature" like the right to vote. You don't have a natural right to that because that only exists of government exists.

 

[Ditchrunner]

This is exactly the kind of shit I'm worried about. You might want to think long and hard about the slippery slope that comes from allowing the Feds to create DNA databases.

It's easy to overlook shit we would never tolerate otherwise when being done in the name of getting rid of illegals but like all things with the Feds, you open Pandora's box to give them an inch and they take off running with it forever. No power is ever temporary with them.

Correct - see Patriot Act for contemporary examples.