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That's when the Hardcast wadcutters come into play
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Shopping for a concealable Pistol
- Thread starter Trashman
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That's when the Hardcast wadcutters come into play
The 938 and newer S&W CSX are cool little guns but yeah, still a hot little package. I definitely wouldn't run +P in them! My hand would hurt enough after regular power rounds.
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[486]
ugh, that guy again?
Nah, it ain't bad at all, pinky is the only stinky that isn't on the grip, all the rest are there and contributing
your fingers hurt from filling up your single 6rd mag (because I'm too stupid to remember the spare), but even with the really aggressive checkering on the front strap and the grabby g10 grips it's still feeling great in the hand after a hundred rounds
Definitely a good option.
Some guys feel the same about .38sp and run wadcutters. Critical Defense seems reliable enough out of a J-Frame to expand so that's what I run.
[486]
ugh, that guy again?
And that is contrasting it against my dad's 642 airweight which is a painful handful after 25 rounds of light "3gr bullseye, whatever cast" loads
That's nice to hear. Maybe the backstrap shape is a contributor, as it wouldn't dig into your thumb web.
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Wadcutters are all my 442 has had ran through it.
Funny, that's my exact carry but I have the bigger VZ wraparound grips and I can run anything through that gun and it's fine. I have long fingers and the stock grips are just too small for me.
[486]
ugh, that guy again?
I don't really understand it, he's got inch wide sausage fingers, but he shoots that thing enough that the cylinder has 1/8" of slop in the lockup last I fiddled with it
original tiny grips that only really let you hang on with your middle finger...
Guess you can get used to slamming your hand in the car door if you do it long enough.
MigGunslinger
Red Skull Member
That is how I feel about my P238, Anything I can hit with my USP40 at distance I can hit with the sig even if I can track the bullet in flight with the naked eye.
YotaAtieToo
Thick skull
Went and shot the new macro and xl back to back today. ~150 rnds. As expected, the 17 rnd mags work perfectly in the xl.
The shorter barrel on the macro is slightly noticeable in accuracy.
The compensated slide or whatever is not noticeable with 115g target ammo, but was more noticeable with defensive ammo. The guy at the gun store said the same thing. I'm not sure if I'd opt for the comp over the longer barrel if I had a choice. Maybe I'll have to pick up some +p stuff or something to try.
Also, fwiw the 15 round 365xl mag with the regular base plate will fit the macro. Which is nice because if I could potentially have 4 mags that work on both with only the 12 rnd being exclusive to the xl.
The shorter barrel on the macro is slightly noticeable in accuracy.
The compensated slide or whatever is not noticeable with 115g target ammo, but was more noticeable with defensive ammo. The guy at the gun store said the same thing. I'm not sure if I'd opt for the comp over the longer barrel if I had a choice. Maybe I'll have to pick up some +p stuff or something to try.
Also, fwiw the 15 round 365xl mag with the regular base plate will fit the macro. Which is nice because if I could potentially have 4 mags that work on both with only the 12 rnd being exclusive to the xl.
WaterH
Well-known member
I saw an artical written by a doctor that had treated hundreds of gunshot wounds. He said that FMJs were just as deadly as hollow points. For every FMJ that passed through with out hitting something vital, there was a hollow point the stopped before hitting something vital.
I carry FMJ because I figure they can shoot through cover better.
Roc Doc
2A SNBI
I don't buy that 100%. Of course shot placement is key, but a HP is going to open up a bigger wound channel than FMJ's, and that should lead to more bleeding if nothing else. Of course 50 cent took nine shots of (presumably FMJ) 9mm and survived, also I worked a conference where a coroner from LA County testified that a woman that was murdered by her husband took 8 rounds of 9mm FMJ and in the opinion of the pathologist, only one of those rounds was fatal, IOW, if that shot had not been fired, she probably would have survived the other 7.
Roc Doc
2A SNBI
Oh and bonded bullets like the Speer Gold Dot can shoot through some barriers and not come apart like the HP's of old.
[486]
ugh, that guy again?
meh, I just carry what I shoot and know hasn't let me down once in several thousand rounds
which happens to be cheap trash
which happens to be cheap trash
Roc Doc
2A SNBI
I have several thousand rounds of FMJ in 115, 124 and 147g flavors and I shoot that at steel matches and 3-goon comps, but my carry/house guns all get Gold Dots.
YotaAtieToo
Thick skull
I carry hp because of that exact reason.
I'd rather not have to worry about innocent people hiding behind things as much as the bad guy who's right in front of me.
Getting into some crazy shoot out with guys ducking behind cover is a lot less likely. Well, you are in FL....
Ehhhhh...... Maybe, but I don't think so. I think his dataset is very skewed. Any American doctor is going to be treating a variety of patients but I would put money on most of them being 'bangers who load up their gat with whatever cheap FMJ they can get. I bet the VAST majority of people who get shot are shot with FMJ.
The important factor is how many hits it takes, and how long it takes after the hits, to stop a threat. Not kill anyone, but take them out of the fight. This is about self-defense.
First and second hand accounts...
I've seen plenty of men hit with FMJ and continue fighting. I've seen plenty of critters hit with FMJ and continue running. I've seen good CNS hits with JHP drop a man to the ground. I've seen similar hits with FMJ that requires more hits to get the same effect.
JHP that properly expands and has enough penetration will put more energy into each hit and do more damage. That's not up for debate. It also has the benefit that YotaAtieToo mentioned of preventing over-penetration. If you have a defensive gun that's capable of firing JHP that expands and penetrates well enough, there is zero reason not to carry JHP.
Clb
another toyota from P.R.K
THIS ALL DAY LONG
I picked up the S&W CSX recently. I really like the way it fits my hand. Haven't fired it yet, so not sure if the trigger reset is as bad as they say or not. It came with a 12 round mag and a 10 round mag, and a slimmer grip insert.
I wanted a hammer fired gun without a polymer frame. Seems like S&W had me in mind when they made this thing.
My check of the Keltec website seemed to show that they have dropped the PF9 and PF11, the weapons that put them on the game. Not enough $ or sales. More blingy shit that attracts more discerning ( buyers) shooters. The PF 9 was only 11 or 12 oz IIRC. Good enough that Ruger literally made an exact copy.
Edit: that smith directly above is almost double the Keltec weight (empty). Much more gun however. How does it stack up compared to the Kimber MIcro 9 ?
Edit: that smith directly above is almost double the Keltec weight (empty). Much more gun however. How does it stack up compared to the Kimber MIcro 9 ?
I have owned a PF9, P3at, and even an OG Grendel POS. They are all junk and SUCKED to shoot. The worst manufacturing quality and fit/finish that I've seen since some of the pot metal Brycos or Jimenez specials. Actually, those were better made.
The Ruger copies of Kel Tecs are noticably better made guns that took the design and actually manufactured it well.
Even then, weight has a limit and a pistol can absolutely be too small and light to shoot effectively. The single stack Kel Tecs were perfect examples of that.
Shoot effectively. What does that even mean ? They were never designed or intended to be range toys for the weekend blast boys, or engage mythical enemies in 15 shot shoot outs at 25 yards. Or be the subject of Youtube wonder freak baitclick video comparisons. They were designed to be easy and unobtrusive to carry. To be safe to carry, and to go bang when the trigger was pulled. (EDIT: they were not really made to be "effective" in some aspects of shooting.) I know how one would feel in direct hands on comparison to a Glock, SIg or a HK. Junk, OK. Ask Trevon Martin. Anyways they are gone. The Ruger is the same GD weapon.
My personal problem with CCW is me. I have never been comfortable with shit in my pockets or belted or strapped on to me. A weapon is useless if its left at home. I can't see carrying a 24oz (loaded) metal pistol Just no way. Subject for another thread I guess. The lightweight version of the Ruger LCP is not available in CA, only the 18oz one. My Bersa weighs that.
Etyler2
Your kind of Asshole
Bought a 3.5” XD9 3-4 years ago, it’s been sitting, just shot it 3x over the last 2 weeks and I love it.
Buying the full size very soon, I haven’t shot more than 50 rounds of pistol ever and was nervous, on trip 3 to the Range I was not disappointed in my 10 yard group.
Shot 1000 rounds mostly .22 with my sons BS Troop.
I need more practice to get my CCW, but it will be my XD9 I carry.
Very consistent.
Buying the full size very soon, I haven’t shot more than 50 rounds of pistol ever and was nervous, on trip 3 to the Range I was not disappointed in my 10 yard group.
Shot 1000 rounds mostly .22 with my sons BS Troop.
I need more practice to get my CCW, but it will be my XD9 I carry.
Very consistent.
WaterH
Well-known member
Reminds me of a quote “A 25 caliber derringer in your pocket is better than a Desert Eagle in your glove box”
I feel the same. I've experimented with various pistols but this is the one I've carried the last 16 years. S&W 637. Very light weight. I bobbed the hammer. Carried in a cheap pocket holster.
In before Fudd gun.
YotaAtieToo
Thick skull
I feel the same. I've experimented with various pistols but this is the one I've carried the last 16 years. S&W 637. Very light weight. I bobbed the hammer. Carried in a cheap pocket holster.
In before Fudd gun.
It's almost shocking how light those are, even compared to a little 365.