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SLOWPOKE693 said:
I'm not buying it either. Maybe he has a program to CNC a 3rd member but until I see an actual part I'm chalking that post up to being another guy with a dream and no cash to back it up. He's probably hoping sombody like "Doug" comes along with a pile of cash to put down up front so he can get started on his dream. :shaking:


Edit: Here is the website

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Do we know this guy from the old place from the ball joint eliminator kits? He has pics of Dave from Brave Motorsports JKU and I believe AgitatedPancake's Grand Cherokee in his customer pics.

All the pictures of the knuckles on his site are also renderings so im not holding my breath thinking he actually has product to sell.


Edit edit: https://m.facebook.com/AmericanIronOffroad/

He has pics of billet and cast 05+ knuckles with double shear arms integrated into them. This might be legit.
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Oddly enough I didn't get a notification for this tag, unless you edited it in later which would explain things.

But I don't think it's one of my jeeps, the big one is on kingpins and the small ones are on Spicer joints. I just scrolled through his top banner pics and saw a grand in there, is that what you're looking at? It looks familiar, but can't place where I know it from.

He has some cool products he's been experimenting with from what I've seen in his posts. Billet aluminum 05+ super duty outer knuckles, nodular iron 05+ outer knuckles, and I believe he had some new iron/steel inner C castings being done. While the 3rd will be the biggest undertaking yet, at least what I've seen shows promise that prototypes or small batches will probably at least come to fruition. No idea about quality and customer experiences in general though
 
Just got an email from the UK company selling bolt on portals. They claim 0 road noise and only maintenance needed is oil changes whenever you service the diffs
 
2big bronco said:
Just got an email from the UK company selling bolt on portals. They claim 0 road noise and only maintenance needed is oil changes whenever you service the diffs
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16k plus taxes and import fees for something you may not be able to get parts for in a year or three doesn't sound like a risk I'd be willing to take. But if we are spending your money I say go for it. :laughing::flipoff2:
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Has 74weld released a price for a "bolt on" kit yet?
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call dixie and ask

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Opiebennett said:
New Torq?

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Bebop said:
I'd like to see at least a piece of billet in a CNC and not just renderings...
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YotaAtieToo said:
Maybe I'm off base, but if you're making a drop out 14b, you're kinda shooting for the "baller on a budget" crowd. Which, in that case, wouldn't a nodular iron case make more sense?
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arse_sidewards said:
Cast iron/steel is prohibitively expensive to tool up for at the production volumes in question.
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That is being done by Innovative Machining Solutions and they are pretty legit, have been following their work for a while now. If you like billet porn and do the ZuckerBook or 'Gram, follow their page to get occasional billet porn pics.

Here's a few of the other billet products they've posted:

Billet F106 3rd:

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Billet F106 Diff:

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Billet GM 3/4 ton knuckle:
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Billet Honda 3rd:

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That's awesome Tim, and that answers a lot. It looks like they're the ones that made the billet 05+ knuckles, as well as the cast 05+ knuckles and C's. I had no idea they existed, definitely following along now
 
Jeffh555 said:
Pretty far down this tangent, but I'll add why I believe the 9" ARB has a huge disadvantage. It's that pesky 3rd pinion bearing. The 9" and the 14 Bolt are the only common differentials that I'm aware of that have a 3rd pinion bearing. OK HO52/72 does also, but there's no factory ARB, so it's not relevant to the conversation. The 3rd pinion bearing makes the pinion less likely to deflect away from the ring gear, and therefore stronger. Unfortunately it also takes up space. A standard ARB has a large cylindrical shape, so all the internal parts can be larger. The 9" ARB has to taper down, so there's just not as much room for parts to be beefy. I'm sure they've improved them and they're probably just fine for my rec wheeler, but I still am not buying one.

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That bell shape doesn't limit the size of the gears inside as much as the ID of the ring gear. If the inside diameter of the ring gear was bigger, they would have stuffed a bigger gear set into it.

**Edit- You are right to some degree, the bell shape does limit the thickness of the side gears and even the depth of the locking collar. if there was more room between the bearing caps, they could've made the side gears thicker and the locking collar engagement deeper.

The 9" has proven to be very strong, people have dumped tons of power into them with very few failures of the gear sets. I'm going to say very few in consideration to what is being thrown at them. Engineering was always surprised that they would hold up to the abuse people were putting them through and wonder if the tight compact case and bell-shaped design had anything to do with it.

If you look at how much smaller the 9" gears are compared to a D60 gearset, you'd be surprised that the gears can actually handle the abuse or maybe you'd say the Dana 60/70/80 gear sets are overbuilt. :laughing:

14 bolt Air locker isn't an issue because of how massive that thing is. At the time of development, ARB designed a new gear set just for the 14 bolt, bigger than any others at the time. As an FYI to the gear size, the 2.5 Rockwell Air Locker uses the same gear blanks that the 14 bolt Air Locker uses.
 
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YotaAtieToo said:
Maybe I'm off base, but if you're making a drop out 14b, you're kinda shooting for the "baller on a budget" crowd. Which, in that case, wouldn't a nodular iron case make more sense?
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Yes, 100%. In the long run a nodular iron 3rd would be cheaper to sell and stronger for sheer redneck abuse.

Torq had developed one and had pics on their site of finished units. Don't know if they ever made full production like their cast aluminum 3rds did.

From the old site:

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arse_sidewards said:
Cast iron/steel is prohibitively expensive to tool up for at the production volumes in question.
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Yep and when you are geared up to whittle big blocks of billet aluminum like IMS is, the billet 14 bolt 3rd is a no-brainer.


Just to give people an idea of what IMS can do, that F106 billet 3rd I posted above is for the Rockwell F106 axle and is used by truck pullers and mega trucks.

iirc the F106 ring gear diameter is 12.5" :eek:
 
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Tech Tim said:
That is being done by Innovative Machining Solutions and they are pretty legit, have been following their work for a while now. If you like billet porn and do the ZuckerBook or 'Gram, follow their page to get occasional billet porn pics.
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Have you ever bought from them ?

I have and had a pretty shitty experience.
 
Bought a set of Dana60 aluminum hubs.

3 months later and I finally have 2 hubs that match each other. One had a wrong bearing seat (1/2" too far), second other one the wrong brake rotor location (off by 1/4") and finally the third one matched the other hub.

Granted, I didn't have to pay for him to make it right, but damn...
 
Tech Tim said:
Just to give people an idea of what IMS can do, that F106 billet 3rd I posted above is for the Rockwell F106 axle and is used by truck pullers and mega trucks.

iirc the F106 ring gear diameter is 12.5" :eek:
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I've often wondered why this axle never took off. With the availability of parts and even fabbed housings I thought this was going to be a smaller, lighter 2.5 ton replacement in the 4x4 world but it never amounted to anything.
 
CarolinaCrawler said:
I've often wondered why this axle never took off. With the availability of parts and even fabbed housings I thought this was going to be a smaller, lighter 2.5 ton replacement in the 4x4 world but it never amounted to anything.
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It seems that the 14b or D80 is "enough" for most guys who would have been running 2 1/2t stuff years ago.

Although, I did look them up and they look pretty sweet. Lots of ratios (4.63 4.88 5.29 5.83 6.14 6.20 6.80 6.83 7.17 7.20 7.80) factory Detroits, 1.75" shafts standard, and even some steering versions out there.

Would be interesting to see a billet 3rd and fab9 style housing wieght.

I'm also a little surprised that planetary outters never were really tried.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
I'm also a little surprised that planetary outters never were really tried.
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some guys were experimenting but with high ratio low speed stuff from off highway equipment. I think buggys started wanting speed and that killed most of the tinkering.
 
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