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Tech Tim said:
In reality, the 9"/10" is undersized for what people in competition ask of it. Someone really needs to develop a true 10" or 10.5" version of the 9". The so-called 10" gear sets in racing use today are better, but not a true upgrade as they are still running an undersized differential.
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Have you heard about this guy?

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Don't think so, what is it?

To be straight up, I haven't done much with the competition crowd for a few years, so all my rants are not including any developments in the past 5-6+ years or so.
 
Mason TT drop out.

True 10.5" stuff.

Most top TT teams are switching to it.

Completely solved the issues they had with the Ford 10" dropouts for a lot of them.

10" ford to the right

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mobil1syn said:
they really should have bridged the bearing caps, toyota 8.4 style
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Keep that for the 2024 upgrade after people start breaking them and they sell the improved version for even more money !

But seriously, Mason is top of the line, I'm sure they thought about it and money not being an issue (the third cost 4 figures) they would have done it if they believed in the need for it.
 
Bebop said:
Keep that for the 2024 upgrade after people start breaking them and they sell the improved version for even more money !

But seriously, Mason is top of the line, I'm sure they thought about it and money not being an issue (the third cost 4 figures) they would have done it if they believed in the need for it.
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unless you are a toyota nerd, its unlikely they considered it.

whatever theyre doing works and they currently dont have a shortage of customers so party on
 
Bebop said:
I'd like to see that.
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I am going to walk that statement back after putting some more thought into it. While the smaller diameter will twist more, the lower stiffness means it still won't be able to absorb the same amount of energy as the larger shaft so I will concede that point. However the larger diameter shaft will still yield before it deflects as much as the smaller shaft can while staying in the elastic regime.

Regardless, my original statement was more about attenuating the shock through the rest of the drivetrain (the portal boxes and the center section in particular) rather than the smaller diameter shaft surviving where the larger one wouldn't.
 
mobil1syn said:
unless you are a toyota nerd, its unlikely they considered it.

whatever theyre doing works and they currently dont have a shortage of customers so party on
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I thought that was common knowledge.
Torq (I know, I know) did it with their 14B dropouts.

'84 Bronco II said:
I am going to walk that statement back after putting some more thought into it. While the smaller diameter will twist more, the lower stiffness means it still won't be able to absorb the same amount of energy as the larger shaft so I will concede that point. However the larger diameter shaft will still yield before it deflects as much as the smaller shaft can while staying in the elastic regime.
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I agree

'84 Bronco II said:
Regardless, my original statement was more about attenuating the shock through the rest of the drivetrain (the portal boxes and the center section in particular) rather than the smaller diameter shaft surviving where the larger one wouldn't.
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I agree with this statement too.
 
Bebop said:
Mason TT drop out.

True 10.5" stuff.

Most top TT teams are switching to it.

Completely solved the issues they had with the Ford 10" dropouts for a lot of them.

10" ford to the right

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Awesome. It's about time.

The 10" Ford stuff looks so small because it's not true 10", more like 9-3/8". :laughing:

I had a lot of hope on the Torq stuff (and a lots of $$$ invested). Designed to be within reach of both the racer and the weekend warrior, with a little more development and a lot better management, it could've been awesome. Too bad that company got so screwed up.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Doesn't the regular 9" arb suck by design?
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Pretty far down this tangent, but I'll add why I believe the 9" ARB has a huge disadvantage. It's that pesky 3rd pinion bearing. The 9" and the 14 Bolt are the only common differentials that I'm aware of that have a 3rd pinion bearing. OK HO52/72 does also, but there's no factory ARB, so it's not relevant to the conversation. The 3rd pinion bearing makes the pinion less likely to deflect away from the ring gear, and therefore stronger. Unfortunately it also takes up space. A standard ARB has a large cylindrical shape, so all the internal parts can be larger. The 9" ARB has to taper down, so there's just not as much room for parts to be beefy. I'm sure they've improved them and they're probably just fine for my rec wheeler, but I still am not buying one.

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Tech Tim said:
Awesome. It's about time.

The 10" Ford stuff looks so small because it's not true 10", more like 9-3/8". :laughing:

I had a lot of hope on the Torq stuff (and a lots of $$$ invested). Designed to be within reach of both the racer and the weekend warrior, with a little more development and a lot better management, it could've been awesome. Too bad that company got so screwed up.
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If Torq was sending the parts people paid for, I'd be yanking my cast housing factory 14 bolts out of my rig tonight and the money would be sent.

I can't bring myself to do it, I don't want to become another Doug.

The problem with the Mason stuff is its cost obviously. Torq parts are several times cheaper than the Mason option. I fucked up above, the Mason third isn't 4 figures, it's 5, sorry brain fart. Also, it only fits in a Tubeworks housing which isn't cheap either :dustin:
 
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Bebop said:
Have you heard about this guy?

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What's the 5 figure number attached to that diff?


For $40k I can get a 12" Chrisman(sp) top fuel rear end complete hub to hub with carbon fiber brakes. I hope that thing isn't much more than $10k no matter who's name is on it.
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
What's the 5 figure number attached to that diff?


For $40k I can get a 12" Chrisman(sp) top fuel rear end complete hub to hub with carbon fiber brakes. I hope that thing isn't much more than $10k no matter who's name is on it.
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I don't think this will bolt up behind a TT

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SLOWPOKE693 said:
What's the 5 figure number attached to that diff?


For $40k I can get a 12" Chrisman(sp) top fuel rear end complete hub to hub with carbon fiber brakes. I hope that thing isn't much more than $10k no matter who's name is on it.
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If you have to ask.... :lmao:

Those drag race rear ends with one axle shaft and titanium housings are pretty cool looking.
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
This is Irate, that will bolt into anything you want it to if you try hard enough. :flipoff2:

Looks like you can bolt on wider tubes if needed so why won't it fit?
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I don't think that the little bolts that hold the axle tube will resist to 1000+mi of Baja racing.

I might be wrong.

PS: It is a lot cheaper than 40k. But we're talking about a third member here. Total axle cost is probably around 40k
 
Tech Tim said:
Awesome. It's about time.

The 10" Ford stuff looks so small because it's not true 10", more like 9-3/8". :laughing:

I had a lot of hope on the Torq stuff (and a lots of $$$ invested). Designed to be within reach of both the racer and the weekend warrior, with a little more development and a lot better management, it could've been awesome. Too bad that company got so screwed up.
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Bebop said:
If Torq was sending the parts people paid for, I'd be yanking my cast housing factory 14 bolts out of my rig tonight and the money would be sent.

I can't bring myself to do it, I don't want to become another Doug.

The problem with the Mason stuff is its cost obviously. Torq parts are several times cheaper than the Mason option. I fucked up above, the Mason third isn't 4 figures, it's 5, sorry brain fart. Also, it only fits in a Tubeworks housing which isn't cheap either :dustin:
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New Torq?

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Maybe I'm off base, but if you're making a drop out 14b, you're kinda shooting for the "baller on a budget" crowd. Which, in that case, wouldn't a nodular iron case make more sense?
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Maybe I'm off base, but if you're making a drop out 14b, you're kinda shooting for the "baller on a budget" crowd. Which, in that case, wouldn't a nodular iron case make more sense?
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and actually not have cracking issues. Odd how to address cracking they used billet aluminum.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Maybe I'm off base, but if you're making a drop out 14b, you're kinda shooting for the "baller on a budget" crowd. Which, in that case, wouldn't a nodular iron case make more sense?
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Cast iron/steel is prohibitively expensive to tool up for at the production volumes in question.
 
Call me cynical but I’ve seen this episode before. I’ll get excited when they have parts for sale. Rendering’s do nothing for me
 
JR4X said:
Call me cynical but I’ve seen this episode before. I’ll get excited when they have parts for sale. Rendering’s do nothing for me
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I'm not buying it either. Maybe he has a program to CNC a 3rd member but until I see an actual part I'm chalking that post up to being another guy with a dream and no cash to back it up. He's probably hoping sombody like "Doug" comes along with a pile of cash to put down up front so he can get started on his dream. :shaking:


Edit: Here is the website

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Do we know this guy from the old place from the ball joint eliminator kits? He has pics of Dave from Brave Motorsports JKU and I believe AgitatedPancake's Grand Cherokee in his customer pics.

All the pictures of the knuckles on his site are also renderings so im not holding my breath thinking he actually has product to sell.


Edit edit: https://m.facebook.com/AmericanIronOffroad/

He has pics of billet and cast 05+ knuckles with double shear arms integrated into them. This might be legit.
 
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