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H1 portal kit beside JHF

edit - got to a computer and fixed it


YotaAtieToo said:
I remember those in we rock. I was more talking planet outters on a Toyota or 9" ect.
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planetaries explode on decel. tubeworks had a kickass rear axle that had some fancy center (all the clearance in the world) and planetaries on the outers. lots of good out the gate but as tt’s, 6100s and paul horschel started pounding downshifts all kinds of bad started happening.

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mobil1syn said:
on my phone the quote got all jacked up, not going to fix it



planetaries explode on decel. tubeworks had a kickass rear axle that had some fancy center (all the clearance in the world) and planetaries on the outers. lots of good out the gate but as tt’s, 6100s and paul horschel started pounding downshifts all kinds of bad started happening.
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Um, why? Shouldn't the loading on the planet carrier for X torque at wheel be the same regardless of direction?

YotaAtieToo said:
I remember those in we rock. I was more talking planet outters on a Toyota or 9" ect.
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I think Skipped Link was building some merritor s2:1 spider gear style planets on a 9". Considering how much the OE vehicles vs various buggies the outers are just hugely overkill.
 
Bebop said:
Bought a set of Dana60 aluminum hubs.

3 months later and I finally have 2 hubs that match each other. One had a wrong bearing seat (1/2" too far), second other one the wrong brake rotor location (off by 1/4") and finally the third one matched the other hub.

Granted, I didn't have to pay for him to make it right, but damn...
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Got a PM with a similar shitty experience.

Be careful with IMS
 
Have been doing some research...

H1 portals are about $4-5K for just the boxes?
Are Axletech still around? I have an inquiry in and saw a recent reference to them being about $10K with single brakes? Dual idler is nice.
And $24K+ for 74weld?

For a quick reference, I was trying to see if I could stay on UTV portals. I currently run a single gear portal, there are dual gears available. I was told the single gear was good for 12-15K lbs of torque to the input shaft, and the duals were not quite double that. That exceeds the current brands CV axle strength and I have shattered a CV while the single portal was fine. Was tring to build around 37's but need to go 42's which pushes me out of these boxes.
 
ManKrawler said:
Have been doing some research...

H1 portals are about $4-5K for just the boxes?
Are Axletech still around? I have an inquiry in and saw a recent reference to them being about $10K with single brakes? Dual idler is nice.
And $24K+ for 74weld?

For a quick reference, I was trying to see if I could stay on UTV portals. I currently run a single gear portal, there are dual gears available. I was told the single gear was good for 12-15K lbs of torque to the input shaft, and the duals were not quite double that. That exceeds the current brands CV axle strength and I have shattered a CV while the single portal was fine. Was tring to build around 37's but need to go 42's which pushes me out of these boxes.
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I'm not following your logic.

SxS portals, then fullsize?

Are you trying to put fullsize portals on a SxS?

You could always do the 8" portals the mud guys use :flipoff2:
 
ManKrawler said:
Have been doing some research...

H1 portals are about $4-5K for just the boxes?
Are Axletech still around? I have an inquiry in and saw a recent reference to them being about $10K with single brakes? Dual idler is nice.
And $24K+ for 74weld?

For a quick reference, I was trying to see if I could stay on UTV portals. I currently run a single gear portal, there are dual gears available. I was told the single gear was good for 12-15K lbs of torque to the input shaft, and the duals were not quite double that. That exceeds the current brands CV axle strength and I have shattered a CV while the single portal was fine. Was tring to build around 37's but need to go 42's which pushes me out of these boxes.
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Good luck.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
The price of the H1 boxes alone still baffles me. I guess too many got scrapped?
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We used to get the H1 boxes from our local Mil scrap guy for $100 or so a box, they were in decent condition, just needed a clean up and rebuild. Then they started coming in with a big cut across the back of them. Pretty much ruined them. iirc this was covered on the old board years ago. Something about the .Mil people didn't want them being used on the street.

There are still tons of them out there in Mil scrap yards and holding yards. But you gotta find them. A buddy of mine used to work on Ft. Lewis, he said there was a back lot with a bunch of H1s parked in it that were junk, returned from the sandbox. He said most of them still had the geared hubs on them.
 
Tech Tim said:
We used to get the H1 boxes from our local Mil scrap guy for $100 or so a box, they were in decent condition, just needed a clean up and rebuild. Then they started coming in with a big cut across the back of them. Pretty much ruined them. iirc this was covered on the old board years ago. Something about the .Mil people didn't want them being used on the street.

There are still tons of them out there in Mil scrap yards and holding yards. But you gotta find them. A buddy of mine used to work on Ft. Lewis, he said there was a back lot with a bunch of H1s parked in it that were junk, returned from the sandbox. He said most of them still had the geared hubs on them.
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I'll never understand the military mentality of letting some stuff out and not other stuff.

Anyone remember the company who did portals waaaay back? Like when 404s were the only option. I swear it was axle tech or something similar and they did H1's with 9" diffs. It seemed like they quickly got a bad rap for being weak.

The other I remember was the avalanche sniper with boxes before D44 knuckles :laughing:
 
Before Torq was Torq, it was Portal Tech. They had an aftermarket variation of the Volvo 303 portal.

There was also another company, maybe out of Colorado?
 
Tibus is a legit option out of Germany.
 
Tech Tim said:
Before Torq was Torq, it was Portal Tech. They had an aftermarket variation of the Volvo 303 portal.

There was also another company, maybe out of Colorado?
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i just remember portal tech because of the caddy on dub build and all the head ache that caused randy.

RPS1030 said:
JHF has been working on a new option it appears
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will be interesting to see what the actual cost ends up being on those because im assuming its all scratch built at this point. only downside is its a two gear so everything is spinning the wrong direction.
 
Pat Gremlin had H1 portals back in the day, they didn't hold up very well. Bit unsure on the JHF portals, heard that they are not all that durable but seem some nice parts coming our from Spidertrax for them.

I'll stick with my Mog 416's. Granted they are a more PIA to get under the rig, but they look nice sitting in the shop.
 
I don't remember Pat having any problems with his H1 boxes. He did break a few CVs.

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On the other hand.... many Mog 404 boxes have failed quite spectacularly. JR on the old board built some cool horseshoe braces and welded them into his boxes to get them to hold up to 40s.

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Mog 416s are a lot bigger than 404s

There's been a few broken H1 boxes out there. Pics and videos on IBB somewhere too.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
The price of the H1 boxes alone still baffles me. I guess too many got scrapped?
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I don't get it either. Plenty of H1s on the govplanet auction site under $3k. Most of them still have the 4 portals. You don't need to buy one that runs if all your looking for is the portal boxes, then scrape or sell off whats left. I can't imagine the military cuts the back off of all the boxes on all the roller H1s they sell off. Maybe those aren't the "good" boxes?
 
Ghetto Fab. said:
I don't get it either. Plenty of H1s on the govplanet auction site under $3k. Most of them still have the 4 portals. You don't need to buy one that runs if all your looking for is the portal boxes, then scrape or sell off whats left. I can't imagine the military cuts the back off of all the boxes on all the roller H1s they sell off. Maybe those aren't the "good" boxes?
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The guy I started this thread about mentioned a guy he used to deal with who had a contract with the government to scrap H1's. The kicker was that he wasn't supposed to sell them. He was doing fine selling the portal boxes but apparently got greedy, started selling whole rigs and ended up in prison :laughing:
 
Any objection to me sharing this to Proformance Motorsports just to see what they say and come up with?
 
ManKrawler said:
Are Axletech still around?
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I have no idea but
-a PBB thread on portals had an Axletech employee talking about them, and the boxes were basically a lovechild someone pushed through that never turned a profit.
-US Gear, owned by Axletech, just closed their Chicago plant and moved production to Italy.
 
Bebop said:
Mog 416s are a lot bigger than 404s

There's been a few broken H1 boxes out there. Pics and videos on IBB somewhere too.
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Sounds as if Jesse Haines broke one while flogging it after he timed out at Trail Hero?
 
Bebop said:
Mog 416s are a lot bigger than 404s

There's been a few broken H1 boxes out there. Pics and videos on IBB somewhere too.
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Yes they are and there are a few pics of 416s broken too.

Nothing is unbreakable. But the H1 has a very good track record. They are fairly light for a portal and they were, up until a couple years ago, fairly cheap to buy. And a lot easier to get parts for in the US compared to Mog parts.

Ghetto Fab. said:
I don't get it either. Plenty of H1s on the govplanet auction site under $3k. Most of them still have the 4 portals. You don't need to buy one that runs if all your looking for is the portal boxes, then scrape or sell off whats left. I can't imagine the military cuts the back off of all the boxes on all the roller H1s they sell off. Maybe those aren't the "good" boxes?
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They were only cutting the backside of the loose H1 boxes.
 
Tech Tim said:
I don't remember Pat having any problems with his H1 boxes. He did break a few CVs.


On the other hand.... many Mog 404 boxes have failed quite spectacularly. JR on the old board built some cool horseshoe braces and welded them into his boxes to get them to hold up to 40s.
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404s are absolutely fucking terrible imo.

They're not all that strong, they're heavy, stupid long pinion that's barely offset of center, a crude/weak locker mechanism, then you have to have a 40t+ press to get the hub off the axle or axle off the portal..... It's been a few years, but they're horrible to work on.

They were cool way back when, but no way I'd even think of using them today.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
404s are absolutely fucking terrible imo.

They're not all that strong, they're heavy, stupid long pinion that's barely offset of center, a crude/weak locker mechanism, then you have to have a 40t+ press to get the hub off the axle or axle off the portal..... It's been a few years, but they're horrible to work on.

They were cool way back when, but no way I'd even think of using them today.
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If all you have to compare them to is antique tractor parts they're kind of ok. :flipoff2::laughing:
 
I'm not sure where the derail on the 404 came from. I was not suggesting the 404 at all. I realize anything can break but I've "heard" of durability issues with the h1 kits that were not really being mentioned. Maybe that isn't the case but it would be good for folks to know if they were looking at that route. Sometimes in this industry with new tech all the bad issues gets shoved under the rug and no one hears about the issues until they have bought in. For examples the gearsets that were made to improve some part of the box, there was limited run made and there is maybe 1 set left for sale? But there hasn't been much in discussion that I've ran across in why the gears were made, what they do, etc.

If that isn't the case then awesome.

As for the 416 one of the "Monster" buggy that Twisted built around 2008 runs the 416 and he's broke 1 axle shaft earlier this year. So that's a pretty good track record. And he's a pretty minimal maintenance person. Anyways there are issue with getting them in a rig but it's an option.
 
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