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H1 portal kit beside JHF

YotaAtieToo said:
Cheaper than what?

4" lift, much stronger axles and regear could easily ad up to $24k on one of these rigs if you are looking for bolt on stuff.

I'd love to see a YouTube guy slap this kit on a cheap JK with no other mods just to see what breaks first.
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3.5 JL lift -$4k
Regear- $2k
Rear RCV -$2k
Front RCV - $1.4k
$9.4k

That's just super rough numbers could be high or low. But still $14.5k short.

Obviously that's not a direct cross over to the portal benefits.

Dynatrack loaded D44/D60 is $11k for the pair, locked, geared, and bigger over stock. Add in the lift above and your roughly $9k short.
 
2big bronco said:
Knuckes are cast steel on mine... or are you saying the weld 74 are alluminum?
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Knuckles on the Bronco and most JLs/JTs are aluminum.

I haven't seen any steel knuckles on the Bronco, maybe a Badlands or FE? We did have an FE in the shop a few months back, I don't remember seeing steel knuckles, but maybe I missed them.


AgitatedPancake said:
Alright dumb question of the day haha. I've been seeing all of these aluminum highly stressed drivetrain components coming about, how is cycle fatigue not a noteworthy issue with how many cycles they see per drive, every day, for years?
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Yep, not on a 4x4.

SLOWPOKE693 said:
Almost every European and a lot of American cars/pickups and SUV's sold in the US for at least the last 15yrs have parts of, if not all of the suspension components made out of cast aluminum. How many of these cars have you seen on the side of the road with broken suspension components due to life cycle fatigue failures?
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Cars sure, but they don't belong on a 4x4 that stands a chance of getting bigger tires (like a Bronco or Wrangler.
 
AgitatedPancake said:
Snip....... Tim's example of a steering box flexing .050" just wiggling the steering wheel back and forth surprises me quite a bit........
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Forgive me, it was only .020"-ish deflection (it's been a while since we shot that video). But still .020" deflection is a lot and that is just wiggling the steering box back and forth, just that little bit of play between actually turning the tires right and left.

And this is on a vehicle that is marketed to go off road and one that could likely get bigger tires after it leaves the stealership.


Video showing .020" deflection on the JL/JT aluminum steering box:

 
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Weasel said:
3.5 JL lift -$4k
Regear- $2k
Rear RCV -$2k
Front RCV - $1.4k
$9.4k

That's just super rough numbers could be high or low. But still $14.5k short.

Obviously that's not a direct cross over to the portal benefits.

Dynatrack loaded D44/D60 is $11k for the pair, locked, geared, and bigger over stock. Add in the lift above and your roughly $9k short.
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Thats fair, I was assuming full axle replacement since the portal takes stress of everything. You didn't include driveshafts, or other misc but obviously that's not going to be $9k. Plus in that scenario, you have a pair of axles you could sell to recoup costs.

Also, a jeep with a quality 4" suspension and a nice 60/44 is probably going to be a much better all around performer than a bone stock rig with portals slapped on :laughing:
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Cheaper than what?

4" lift, much stronger axles and regear could easily ad up to $24k on one of these rigs if you are looking for bolt on stuff.

I'd love to see a YouTube guy slap this kit on a cheap JK with no other mods just to see what breaks first.
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Tech Tim said:
Knuckles on the Bronco and most JLs/JTs are aluminum.

I haven't seen any steel knuckles on the Bronco, maybe a Badlands or FE? We did have an FE in the shop a few months back, I don't remember seeing steel knuckles, but maybe I missed them.
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Its also possible mine are alluminum and painted black so i ASSumed they were steel. :homer:

Ill go check later today
 
I got a few pics from Quinn at 74WELD of their new JL/JT stuff. As usual, it is absolute sex in machined metal:

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Tech Tim said:
Hmmmm... guess I gotta crawl under mine and take a look.

I could've swore mine were aluminum, maybe I've working on too many Jeeps or maybe going senile.




My first thought too, but a small skid would help protect it.
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Heres a random pic I took at a ford event in Tennessee around 2020... looks steel there as well.


Edit: pic wont load here.. will try to add it tommorow

Feel free to give weld 74 a nudge and let them know you know someone whos already wheeled thier bronco more then most will ever see. I have no problem giving them real world testing and feedback for a discount
 
2big bronco said:
Feel free to give weld 74 a nudge and let them know you know someone whos already wheeled thier bronco more then most will ever see. I have no problem giving them real world testing and feedback for a discount
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Wheeled their Bronco more than anyone??? Are you talking about me??? :lmao:
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
Almost every European and a lot of American cars/pickups and SUV's sold in the US for at least the last 15yrs have parts of, if not all of the suspension components made out of cast aluminum. How many of these cars have you seen on the side of the road with broken suspension components due to life cycle fatigue failures?
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Those are giant pieces of aluminum that don’t really flex. If you overstress something aluminum to the point that it flexes, the life is shortened.
 
74 weld is going ham in portal kits:smokin:

This 4600 4runner has them front and rear. They mentioned that they will sell kits for all 4, or just the front for any ifs rig.

They also mentioned that they are developing a cast iron version of thier box that theyre shooting for a $16k price point.

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Just saw that. It also makes me feel better about the Toyota 8in ifs diff holding up to abuse. You can now run a much bigger pinion (3.73-4.10 depending on the portal reduction) and it will also reduce upstream load. Win/win. Minus the price tag…but we know portals are never cheap
 
That thing is wicked. It’s odd to me that 74weld makes so many drastically different portals. That has to be partly why they are so expensive, each pair seems to be different.
 
JR4X said:
That thing is wicked. It’s odd to me that 74weld makes so many drastically different portals. That has to be partly why they are so expensive, each pair seems to be different.
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universals stuff has a limited market. vehicle specific has a larger market especially for the ‘influencer’ crowd.

i suspect its just the inner portion of the housing that changes, everything else is the same and pick your bolt pattern with a unit bearing.
 
JR4X said:
That thing is wicked. It’s odd to me that 74weld makes so many drastically different portals. That has to be partly why they are so expensive, each pair seems to be different.
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Is say it’s expensive cause they are milling soo much material away. 5 axis machine time is pricey.
 
mobil1syn said:
i suspect its just the inner portion of the housing that changes, everything else is the same and pick your bolt pattern with a unit bearing.
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Correct, he explained that on a podcast I listened to.
Also changes gear ratios based on application.
 
bunk said:
Is say it’s expensive cause they are milling soo much material away. 5 axis machine time is pricey.
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Last I knew, we charge ~$125/hr for 5 axis. Shop I was in this summer was $120/hr in the machine shop.
 
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