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Future of KOH 4400 chassis/car development?

Bebop said:
In my mind, I'd see a potential market to someone selling a chassis that would fit all the drivetrain of a Pro R (for example), just with better weight distribution (component placement) and suspension geometry. Say 35 to 50k for a roller. Just buy a Pro R and the components needed and drop this in the chassis (fuel cell, rads, seats etc).

Pretty sure Jason's last two cars were lightly to heavily based on a rear motor Pro4. The new one is also similar with all the little nagging things fixed and big goodie improvements. One that he liked was built to a new configuration but the owner/driver died in a Baja 1000 I believe. Some will know the car. Innovative at the time.
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arse_sidewards said:
Wasn't there someone here making one like that? Wood mockup and took a beam saw to a huge aluminum billet?

Also, reminds me of an '00s Lesbaru but with longer everything :laughing:

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LOL......... It ain't lite....... Those are the wheels for paddles. Another set opposite for KR's.
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mobil1syn said:
thats a bold statement. IMHO moving to sticky 37s at race pace will exploded drivetrain parts and be a learning experience for them in durability.
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Serious question...... Do you really believe that they are running anything close to stock F&R diffs? And do you believe that they hadn't tested extensively on 37's "at race pace" before deciding to go with them? Like tribal4krawler said in his post, they had every intention of running the 37's but couldn't get enough wheels made in time to do it. 17" beadlock wheels for UTV's with the proper offset are non-existent so they were having Hess Motorsports here in Texas make them one off CNC billet wheels......

 
Isdtbower said:
LOL......... It ain't lite....... Those are the wheels for paddles. Another set opposite for KR's.
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Your trailing arm design is very close to what alot of sport model UTV's come factory with these days. I believe my Talon R is one of the only makes incorporating the 5 link design into the rear suspension but the Talon X model still uses conventional trailing arms.
 
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SLOWPOKE693 said:
Is it though? None of the Can-Ams racing on 35's had differential or transfer case problems....
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That you know of. Those parts are mini and no way could you drive em like you want to. 37's will require a driving change or alien technology.
 
bunk said:
That you know of. Those parts are mini and no way could you drive em like you want to. 37's will require a driving change or alien technology.
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Billet diffs and transfer cases with bling 300M gears are alot cheaper when you are not making full size parts that have to hold up to 700hp and 6000lbs of car. They ain't running stock diffs, gears or transfer cases.....
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
Billet diffs and transfer cases with bling 300M gears are alot cheaper when you are not making full size parts that have to hold up to 700hp and 6000lbs of car. They ain't running stock diffs, gears or transfer cases.....
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They are still miniature parts.
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
Billet diffs and transfer cases with bling 300M gears are alot cheaper when you are not making full size parts that have to hold up to 700hp and 6000lbs of car. They ain't running stock diffs, gears or transfer cases.....
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Even cheaper when you already have a production line set up to make the same part out of lesser material.
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
With miniature weight and horsepower going through them. It's not the same no matter how bad you want to believe it is.
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Yeah. I bet the guy with a week old 2.0 rzr thought the same thing when he grenaded his front diff prerunning ct.
 
arse_sidewards said:
Even cheaper when you already have a production line set up to make the same part out of lesser material.
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And it also helps when you start with a very popular model and the aftermarket, including big name high dollar offroad parts companies, already have bullet proof parts in production that are easily obtainable. Add factory backed sponsorship into that mix and the sky becomes the limit. :smokin:
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
Serious question...... Do you really believe that they are running anything close to stock F&R diffs? And do you believe that they hadn't tested extensively on 37's "at race pace" before deciding to go with them? Like tribal4krawler said in his post, they had every intention of running the 37's but couldn't get enough wheels made in time to do it. 17" beadlock wheels for UTV's with the proper offset are non-existent so they were having Hess Motorsports here in Texas make them one off CNC billet wheels......

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Mazak and shitty programs. :lmao:
 

The Future of KOH 4400 chassis/car development is a lighter ufo than they are currently building. Not a 200k golf cart that finishes hours after the leaders.​

 
bunk said:
I’m with you on that program. Musta been their last endmill or something.
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That's their "latest greatest" machine according to FB posts a year or so ago when they got it. I know nothing about those so anything 5 axis CNC looks impressive to me. :laughing:
 
bunk said:
That you know of. Those parts are mini and no way could you drive em like you want to. 37's will require a driving change or alien technology.
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You’re wrong. Said teams have been working on parts development and running HARD on 37s at the Hammers for 2 years now. This year was supposed to be the year but certain wheel companies dropped the ball big time and let them down. Hess was trying to help but couldn’t make enough in time (they needed/wanted 30 wheels).
 
and by the way, the line that the golf carts were taking were 100% undoable by a full-size. That’s what pissed Wayes off. He’s done this before, not just to golf carts. How about Wayes showing how big of an ass he was when the Millers were on the stage after finishing? Lost any interest in getting to know him at all after that.
 
tribal4krawler said:
and by the way, the line that the golf carts were taking were 100% undoable by a full-size. That’s what pissed Wayes off. He’s done this before, not just to golf carts. How about Wayes showing how big of an ass he was when the Millers were on the stage after finishing? Lost any interest in getting to know him at all after that.
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I don't get why people can't wrap their heads around the concept of smaller rigs fitting in places full-size rigs can't and being able to run a way different line. :confused:
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
I don't get why people can't wrap their heads around the concept of smaller rigs fitting in places full-size rigs can't and being able to run a way different line. :confused:
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Some people are so stubborn that even after 2 sxs's finish top 10, they're still saying they won't hold up to the race :lmao:

I don't see 37s being this magic ticket to absolute destruction of the drivetrain. Whatever stress you gain from larger tires, you also gain less rolling resistance and less stress from falling into less holes. Same argument people were having about 40s vs 37s a few years ago. Not one top 4400 team runs 37s. I'd imagine that you'll see more 42s at koh as they become more available along with 20" wheels.

Don't even trophy trucks run 40s?
 
'84 Bronco II said:
Here's Jesse Haines build that was mentioned earlier:

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Thanks for that link. I went back to June of 22’ and quit. Just needed to go a little further back.

Here’s some interesting screenshots of similar discussions about Jesse’s build. I’ve asked for updates on it so we shall see.
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Love the banter. There was also some talk about pro vs. consistent racers.

The guy who wants to race every month is going to build different than the guy who only builds for 200 miles. Once you put in your time learning the costs tricks, driving skills, and improving every month, then you can make some choices. Randy seemed like the first guy who is only interested in surviving and winning in 200 miles. The "qualifier" series was costing drivers $30-40k to get their cars ready for the next and never paid off. Early on Dave had the qualifiers as he had too many entries to handle the trails and bottlenecks. Now he has figured that out and opened the entry. He has also initiated the rookie classes to help with the bottleneck situation and to let the fast guys pass...and maybe crash out. When you are spending that much money, the offroad moto system of A thru C riders in start positions just didn't make sense. And probably why he is resisting the "Pro" class. Start where you can qualify to. Everyone has a chance for the overall.

So returning to building different: Maybe the lite quick, checker or wrecker, is going to beat Miles' interpretation of the 4400 Samurai sword.

Built for one race, on one day of the year, and go 200 miles. Simple.

I bet the newer cars are being built under 90" OoT...after seeing SXS action and getting deeper offset wheels. I also have a like for 86" OoT. in the rear at least. (or IRS?)
 
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