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I have already seen rangers on 37, and what I am guessing Patagonia 40s. They have to be useless but they were going down the road.

An ifs Jeep will be accommodated no matter what. It is coming. Pete Milo is not stupid .

And they are very worried about the bronco.....the defender is high market.

It's going to be very interesting to see what happens. And as far as working towards 40s....guys that drop 20 k on suspension and aftermarket 60s don't give a fawk about oem garbage.



This is nothing but awesome for us. This competing will net some great stuff.
 
bobbywalter said:
Try it.
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I was asking because I haven't been able to try it :homer: I still don't understand what it is supposed to do that is so helpful :confused: In my mind it falls in the gimmick category along with hill descent control and terrain select systems.

bobbywalter said:
This will kill the straight axle Jeep as a standard....or open a duel market for both independent and solid axles for both brands.

I can tell you for sure...."real" hard core Jeep guys on 40,s and 40,s are becoming more common here in the mall belt..

a Dana 30 is useless and the 44 is marginal. By the numbers if I am reading it right the ranger is stronger then a Jeep up front. Stock for stock.

and the shit they have on these prototypes I have been seeing is stronger not weaker.


This coming from a guy who has two personal vehicles. A sas Dana 60 daily ranger with a v8 diesel....and an 89 b2 with eb axles and a 4.0.

I am willing to bet this new bronco will outperform both at anything tire for tire.
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All the pictures I have seen look like it is just the Ranger SLA IFS setup which doesn't strike me as being particularly robust or capable. I would be more interested if it were a more offroad-oriented form of IFS, or something innovative. If it were a center-mounted differential with pivots near the center of the vehicle like a side-by-side or Ultra 4 car so you can get reasonable wheel travel without being as wide as a dually pickup, was TTB, or had portals like a HMMWV for crazy ground clearance, I might not be so dismissive of it. You hardly see any SLA IFS systems on the trail for a reason. They have terrible travel with reasonable track width, and are much more expensive and complicated to modify and reinforce. Keep in mind, I have wheeled my TTB Bronco II for years, and it hangs just fine with similarly built solid axle vehicles, but if I were starting with a blank slate, I would go solid axle all the way. For my use, the TTB provides no benefit and just adds complexity.

Also, please stop talking in terms of "Dana 30" and "Dana 44" etc. Those axles have been replaced by Dana's new metric "Advantek" line. The only "legacy" axles that still exist are the Dana 30 and Dana 60, but they are significantly different from true legacy axles, and really should be considered "new generation" Dana 30s and Dana 60s. For some reason, both Jeep and Dana refer to the axles in the JL as being "Dana 35s" and "Dana 44s", but these axles have absolutely nothing in common with those legacy axles and are never referred to as such in other applications. I can't say for certain what exactly the Bronco or next-gen Ranger will be using for a front axle, but the current Ranger uses the Advantek M190 for a front axle and M220 for a rear axle. The numbers indicate the ring gear diameter in millimeters, which are both slightly smaller than the Dana 35 front and Ford 8.8" rear used in older Rangers. The JL Rubicons and all JT Gladiators for reference use M210 front axles and M220 rear axles, while Non-Rubicon JLs use the M186 front (next-gen Dana 30 that debuted in the JK) and either an M200 or M220 rear depending on options.

For comparison:
Dana 30 7.2" Ring gear 1.16" 27 spline inner shafts
M186 (Next gen Dana 30) 7.32" Ring gear 1.16" 27 spline inner shafts
M190 7.48" Ring gear 1.24" 29 spline inner shafts
Dana 35 7.56" Ring gear 1.16" 27 spline inner shafts
M200 7.87" Ring gear 1.24" 29 spline inner shafts
M210 8.27" Ring gear 1.41" 32 spline inner shafts
Dana 44 8.5" Ring gear 1.31" 30 spline inner shafts
M220 8.66" Ring gear 1.41" 32 spline inner shafts
M226 (Next gen Dana 44) 8.9" Ring gear 1.41" 32 spline inner shafts or 1.31" 30 spline inner shafts
 
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Hard to describe the trail control. It's way more then your described perception as brake modulation is a huge part of the scenario..combined with power and trans...all under pcm control.

I was using manual brake modulation over 30 years ago with oem system for waterboxing....in the late 90s and early 2ks I was modding them to keep from Grenading ttb stuff for off road stuff.

It's work to do manually but effective.... potentially free if your truck is 4wabs equipped. The only reason it is not currently installed is due to the size of my engine. It is a fat bastard



This current ford system is incredible. There are two particular waterfalls I was having a hard time with running open front diff...that a new ranger made fairly easy and was nearly stock. That was in Wellsville Ohio and a place just outside of Towanda pa.

It's possible production broncos will just have ranger shit.

The shocks on the platform trucks I looked at are bigger....axleshafts look bigger and lca.......steering looks ranger..but that's passing and no ranger near to compare it to. I sure as hell couldn't measure stuff...yet. the tires on the bigger ones a much bigger then any of the rangers I have seen oem.
 
Looks like there are some better shots of the 4 door floating around.



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Car and driver said base models starting around 30k. If that's true I'll have a hard time not buying/ building one.
 
ArTi54N said:
was at the ranch for a week again.. I'm trying to catch up.. just now saw this post.. kinda disappointing with the lack of solid information..

hokay, so I've been thinking of waiting a year or two, and then getting a used gladiator.. a lot.. mostly cuz when you cross the toll road, heading north, the next 8 or 9 miles of Las Tiendas Rd is not paved.. and that's also the name of our ranch..

I have a dodge avenger right now,.. gets great gas mileage, great stereo, great A/C.. but when I move to the ranch, well that would suck on that unpaved part of the road.. never have tried to take it out there..

now I'm starting to think I'd rather get a used bronco in a couple of years.. but I don't know much about them yet, kinda wished this thread had lots more details..

yes there are some areas of the 950 or so acres, that most people on here, would not try.. I just wanna be able to venture on most of the terrain..

edit: and yes, I know they are trying to keep things secret, until the release date, I just figured someone in our world would have some juicy behind the scenes data...
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We drive our Avenger rally-style up the driveway during winter. Only way to get it up. Hasn't broke yet. It's almost always has mud on it.
 
They will probably do something similar to the Ranger, starts about $25k and by the time you pick the basic options like 4wd you're up around $35k. If you really want to option it out closer to 50K.
 
spork said:
They will probably do something similar to the Ranger, starts about $25k and by the time you pick the basic options like 4wd you're up around $35k. If you really want to option it out closer to 50K.
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Just like any new vehicle, what's a total base F250? $35k? Most end up almost double with a "normal" set up, some are close to 3x's :laughing:
 
YotaAtieToo said:
VS what? $30k for a brand new 4wd is pretty cheap imo. Even used Jk's are around that price.

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Not going to argue JK prices, too wide of variance between year, model, demographics, etc.
A JLU rubicon is $45k+ then on up depending on options and accessories.

I, as in me, dont see the value. When a warranty means fuck all to me, I'd rather spend ~$10k for something that does the exact same thing. Any 2 door TJ/JK/bronco/blazer would fill the void just fine. If you can write a check for a $30k+ pleasure vehicle, power to you and enjoy it.

I might be interested in one 10 years down the road.
 
I just like shops that buy the jeeps, lift them just a touch, and then put on 37s or so... why pay for a set of so-so rims and tires, when your definetly gonna upgrade.. its wasted money

I'm still torn between Broncos and Gladiators...

looking forward to the release of info and some good pics
 
fuck man, another soccer mom bubble mobile, it looks abetter than alot of them but first glance reminds me of this
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It's nothing like that.... The cutting capacity and trail control is ridiculous. Usable. The roof is the sketchy part.....but always has been.


If quality is decent. These are going to be my favorite. But our 150 has been a turd. I had to use the backdoor from engineering to fix the retarded stop start. It was toooo glitchy.

The explorer kept losing weatherstripping and roof rack trim. So. We will have to let time tell.
 
This Ranger knock-off will debut tomorrow nite, Monday, July 13, at 8pm EST.

For the more evolved among us who have left the TV behind, it'll stream on Ford's YT channel:

 
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Arickvan said:
if thats what it looks like, then i think they did a good job

buddy was saying it looked like a mix between the modern FJ and a JK, but all i see is modernized classic bronco :smokin:
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I agree, not bad.

Seems like it would be tough to see out of with the chopped top (appearance only but like the FJ40 had a similar style high rear.) But that's probably nit picking.
 
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