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RusM said:
Mebbe I just been lucky, but airing down to to about 12-17 psi on a normal truck without headlocks never caused any me any issues. I've only had headlocks on a Yota extra cab on a regular cab frame with TSLs and then Pitbull Rockers. They did great in the 3-7psi range up here in wet California. :flipoff2:
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Beadlocks aren't really needed for decent Radial tires. Some of the older bias tires need lower psi to work well and would just fall off the rim. My 39.5 Iroks, when dismounting, you'd just step on the bead and they'd fall off the rim, while my 35 mtr/k I had to make a tool that bolted to the back of the wheel so I could use a high lift 5o bust the bead. It would just lift what truck I tried to use off the ground otherwise.

I run beadlocks for snow and because I hate getting shit in the bead, making the tire leak.
 
Black Diamond edition is the wheeler's choice....it gets all the off road goodies except the electric swaybar disconnects. I have been looking and it seems the Sasquatch package is standard on the Black Diamond, but it's not clear. Base price is around $37k on the Black Diamond, and it comes with the 4 banger, which is the only way you can get the manual.

I put the $100 deposit down just so I could do a virtual build on one and see where it ends up. We'll be able to do order forms in December for delivery next summer if you go forward with the purchase.

I just need to decide if I want to sell off a couple of my current vehicles to finance this or just keep what I have....that's the big decision to make. I really like my 370Z and my old '77 F150, but realistically they both need to go if I buy one of these things....because I don't like big car payments.
 
WTF?

On a hardcore offroad forum there are people scared to go below 12 PSI? :laughing:

I run 4 PSI and 8-9 PSI on my two rigs in the rocks without bead locks and have never lost a bead...
 
'84 Bronco II said:
WTF?

On a hardcore offroad forum there are people scared to go below 12 PSI? :laughing:

I run 4 PSI and 8-9 PSI on my two rigs in the rocks without bead locks and have never lost a bead...
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You've never lost a bead? Sounds like you're the one who's not very hardcore :flipoff2:​​​​​​

Like I said, there are many different tires, wheels, rigs, terrain. The typical street friendly Radial at or Mt will not last long at single digit pressure on a average weight rig. Not to mention, even at 10 psi, the tires are folding over them selves when weight is transferred.

Once you get into 40+ obviously the extra sidewall and volume will allow(require) lower pressure.
 
'84 Bronco II said:
WTF?

On a hardcore offroad forum there are people scared to go below 12 PSI? :laughing:

I run 4 PSI and 8-9 PSI on my two rigs in the rocks without bead locks and have never lost a bead...
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I've got load E 37" radials on a 4000lb trail rig (4500 with people/tools) and 4psi has me on *almost* flats. You can't go by some arbitrary psi numbers. My old bias SX's at 4psi worked great, now I run 8-10+ to get the same bulge.
 
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YotaAtieToo said:
Not just that trail, but running that low on a 5k+ lb rig with normal Radial mt's isn't going to work well. You basically pinch flat the sidewall like a bicycle tube. Heavy mt's like toyo and nitto may be ok, but personally would be around 12-15 on that large of a rig.
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Yup.

When me and my buddy do snow runs, we run our IROK 39s and PBR 37s in low single digits. Most of the time we are too lazy to air up before heading back down to the trailers. Especially from higher to lower elevations.

On several occasions our tires steam for quite a while as we are loading them up.
 
45acp said:
I've got load E 37" radials on a 4000lb trail rig (4500 with people/tools) and 4psi has me on *almost* flats. You can't go by some arbitrary psi numbers. My old bias SX's at 4psi worked great, now I run 8-10+ to get the same bulge.
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Yes, thank you. I started in a samurai. 10 was highway pressure 5 was the highest I would run wheelin. I went to 5 the first time I wheeled my 4runner and ended up pinching a sidewall. 15 was pretty normal for c sidewall 35s in the rocks.
 
'84 Bronco II said:
WTF?

On a hardcore offroad forum there are people scared to go below 12 PSI? :laughing:

I run 4 PSI and 8-9 PSI on my two rigs in the rocks without bead locks and have never lost a bead...
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Wtf on a hardcore offroad forum there are people that air down to 8 without beadlocks and have never lost a bead? Must be driving laps around the local Kmart parking lot slowly.
 
2big bronco said:
Wtf on a hardcore offroad forum there are people that air down to 8 without beadlocks and have never lost a bead? Must be driving laps around the local Kmart parking lot slowly.
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Must be a big parking lot. Tight turn on pavement is basically guaranteed to pop a bead if there's any throttle involved. :laughing:
 
YotaAtieToo said:
You've never lost a bead? Sounds like you're the one who's not very hardcore :flipoff2:​​​​​​

Like I said, there are many different tires, wheels, rigs, terrain. The typical street friendly Radial at or Mt will not last long at single digit pressure on a average weight rig. Not to mention, even at 10 psi, the tires are folding over them selves when weight is transferred.

Once you get into 40+ obviously the extra sidewall and volume will allow(require) lower pressure.
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45acp said:
I've got load E 37" radials on a 4000lb trail rig (4500 with people/tools) and 4psi has me on *almost* flats. You can't go by some arbitrary psi numbers. My old bias SX's at 4psi worked great, now I run 8-10+ to get the same bulge.
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YotaAtieToo said:
Yes, thank you. I started in a samurai. 10 was highway pressure 5 was the highest I would run wheelin. I went to 5 the first time I wheeled my 4runner and ended up pinching a sidewall. 15 was pretty normal for c sidewall 35s in the rocks.
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rockyota83 said:
youre not having much fun then :laughing:
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2big bronco said:
Wtf on a hardcore offroad forum there are people that air down to 8 without beadlocks and have never lost a bead? Must be driving laps around the local Kmart parking lot slowly.
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arse_sidewards said:
Must be a big parking lot. Tight turn on pavement is basically guaranteed to pop a bead if there's any throttle involved. :laughing:
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Man, so many scaredy cats; you guys must really enjoy struggling to climb shit :flipoff2:

I am very aware that the pressure you run depends on a variety of factors, and I was semi-trolling with my original comment. The rig I run 8-9 PSI in has 37/12.50R15 Pitbull Rocker radials mounted on 8" wheels and weighs 3,900Lbs (weighed with a 4-corner scale), and the other rig that I run 4 PSI weighs ~4,500Lbs (guesstimate) on 325/85R16 Michelin XMLs (38" tall 13" wide and load range G) mounted on 7" wheels. I guess I don't actually wheel though because I am not doing donuts on pavement while aired-down :laughing:
 
Some more videos I am stealing from Bronco 6G because I'd rather discuss new Bronco stuff here than with those dorks.







[video]https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/data/video/21/21737-27e8fa806424beb3c1aebf7d429c0443.mp4[/video]
 
'84 Bronco II said:
Some more videos I am stealing from Bronco 6G because I'd rather discuss new Bronco stuff here than with those dorks.



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i saw those the other day, looks like it did pretty good

i heard all the jeep guys were saying it got all fucked up, and new jeeps make it thru with no body damage

but it looks like they had like 3 or 4 rigs and just hit the con, not a million handlers/spotter/press/media managers, they did have there camping gear choppered in tho
 
Arickvan said:
i heard all the jeep guys were saying it got all fucked up, and new jeeps make it thru with no body damage
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That's because most people are brand loyalist twats who refuse to believe that anything can compete with what they personally chose to spend their money on. There's no ability to reason or be objective.
 
Also some Moab action:



Looks like all the footage in this video is from Golden Spike.
 
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'84 Bronco II said:
Man, so many scaredy cats; you guys must really enjoy struggling to climb shit :flipoff2:

I am very aware that the pressure you run depends on a variety of factors, and I was semi-trolling with my original comment. The rig I run 8-9 PSI in has 37/12.50R15 Pitbull Rocker radials mounted on 8" wheels and weighs 3,900Lbs (weighed with a 4-corner scale), and the other rig that I run 4 PSI weighs ~4,500Lbs (guesstimate) on 325/85R16 Michelin XMLs (38" tall 13" wide and load range G) mounted on 7" wheels. I guess I don't actually wheel though because I am not doing donuts on pavement while aired-down :laughing:
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You've NEVER blown a bead?

In the snow i run 3-4 psi in some 285/70r17 on stock 7' 4runner wheels, on a full body 3rd gen 4runner. I also am conscious of how I turn and hit things.

10-12 works much better in the summer though.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
You've NEVER blown a bead?

In the snow i run 3-4 psi in some 285/70r17 on stock 7' 4runner wheels, on a full body 3rd gen 4runner. I also am conscious of how I turn and hit things.

10-12 works much better in the summer though.
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Nope, and I don't know whether to attribute that to dumb luck or driving skill :laughing:, but I have been with several other people who have blown beads and have helped reseat my share of beads on the trail.
 
It looks like it does halfway decent for a couple stock rigs on 33s. The first video looks like a new driver who doesn't understand crawling and is just driving while turning wherever the spotter tells him. All of the difficulties they are having look like they would be solved with the 2" lift option and 37s.
 
Well damn! I'm pretty much all in on one of these new Bronco's when they come out. Well, if I can get a Base 4dr, 2.7l Samsquanch package for <$40k. :smokin:
 
2big bronco said:
It looks like it does halfway decent for a couple stock rigs on 33s. The first video looks like a new driver who doesn't understand crawling and is just driving while turning wherever the spotter tells him. All of the difficulties they are having look like they would be solved with the 2" lift option and 37s.
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Every video so far, the things are doing just fine. Less than stellar driving/spotting, IFS and 33's-35's... shit man I've seen newbs in built buggies do worse. im sufficiently impressed.
 
Arickvan said:
i saw those the other day, looks like it did pretty good

i heard all the jeep guys were saying it got all fucked up, and new jeeps make it thru with no body damage

but it looks like they had like 3 or 4 rigs and just hit the con, not a million handlers/spotter/press/media managers, they did have there camping gear choppered in tho
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Just state that so far it's not ran anyone over and ended nose first in a ravine...:flipoff2:
 
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