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Do New Ford Trucks Suck, or are My Expectations Too High?

Do new Ford trucks suck?

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YotaAtieToo said:
There is a lot less diffence between a 1970 and a 1990 than 2000 and a 2020, or really even a 2010.

Heck dodge didn't change anything at all in those 20 years :flipoff2:

The last sentence is the key. When you get to 10k lbs and over, the newer stuff is just flat out impressive. Anyone saying a 2000 truck will tow 10k or more almost as good as a ~2010 or newer just hasn't done the same trailer with both because it's not even comparable.

Which was the original point a few of us were trying to make since a bunch of guys were saying all new stuff is just trash.

Carter had a good point about shops being full making stuff seem like junk. I've tried to make the same points about F series trucks. There is just so many out there, of course you're going to see a lot of them broken.
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That's why I said late 90s. I've towed the same load with plenty of mid 2000s stuff and driven for a while plenty of current year stuff.

For what I do, I am more happy with my late 70s stuff. I don't think new stuff is trash, I think expectations are too high. They have always been too high for new stuff.

That also doesn't mean carb stuff from the 80s and earlier is going to overheat and die on every grade. Take care of your cooling systems and it will be just fine
 
Provience said:
That's why I said late 90s. I've towed the same load with plenty of mid 2000s stuff and driven for a while plenty of current year stuff.

For what I do, I am more happy with my late 70s stuff. I don't think new stuff is trash, I think expectations are too high. They have always been too high for new stuff.

That also doesn't mean carb stuff from the 80s and earlier is going to overheat and die on every grade. Take care of your cooling systems and it will be just fine
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You left out the part about new stuff being able to make the same trips as these 70s-80s trucks in alot less time and do it safely. Time is money...
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
You left out the part about new stuff being able to make the same trips as these 70s-80s trucks in alot less time and do it safely. Time is money...
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Really depends on how often you're asking it to do that sort of stuff.
 
I bought the new truck so I could pull the race car trailer around racing my SxS. When the races were 60 miles away at Texplex driving the old truck with a 28' enclosed it was sort of tolerable. Once they shut down Texplex and racing went from an hour away to 6.5hrs away the 97 wasn't going to cut it anymore so I bought the new to me truck. And the new truck allowed me to get a bigger trailer with windows and living quarters to make the sleeping in a trailer at the races part of our trips much more enjoyable. Win, win in my book.
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
I bought the new truck so I could pull the race car trailer around racing my SxS. When the races were 60 miles away at Texplex driving the old truck with a 28' enclosed it was sort of tolerable. Once they shut down Texplex and racing went from an hour away to 6.5hrs away the 97 wasn't going to cut it anymore so I bought the new to me truck. And the new truck allowed me to get a bigger trailer with windows and living quarters to make the sleeping in a trailer at the races part of our trips much more enjoyable. Win, win in my book.
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for sure, but the question was still "whose gone backwards and been happy about it" and "carb trucks can't tow in the mountains". I'm the only one still stuck in time being happy about going backwards and fine with going slow up the hills.

If I was making money being heavy or I actually had to haul something 10k+ regularly, i'd be in a different rig. Nowadays prices are finally coming down on the early/mid 2000 stuff, another 10 years and something 2010+ should be reasonably priced. That might be the time I jump up to something newer. It really depends on what kind of trailers I end up with

because fuck me running, sure my current trailer is falling apart but a "new" trailer in the 14klb range is pretty silly money, any "new" 7klb trailer isn't worth the few bucks they are asking for them.
 
Provience said:
for sure, but the question was still "whose gone backwards and been happy about it" and "carb trucks can't tow in the mountains". I'm the only one still stuck in time being happy about going backwards and fine with going slow up the hills.

If I was making money being heavy or I actually had to haul something 10k+ regularly, i'd be in a different rig. Nowadays prices are finally coming down on the early/mid 2000 stuff, another 10 years and something 2010+ should be reasonably priced. That might be the time I jump up to something newer. It really depends on what kind of trailers I end up with

because fuck me running, sure my current trailer is falling apart but a "new" trailer in the 14klb range is pretty silly money, any "new" 7klb trailer isn't worth the few bucks they are asking for them.
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I can go backwards by simply walking outside and hooking the 97 up to the trailer instead of the 22 and I can tell you from first hand experience that it's a white knuckle shit show at 60 on state roads and I'm too chicken shit to try it out on the highways at 70-75 (doubt it would get there) but I'd imagine it's much worse. My 97 is also in no way, shape or form meant to be pulling a trailer like that behind it. Hell the receiver hitch was undersized for the old 28 footer and I have the highest rated hitch you can buy on it already.:laughing:
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
I can go backwards by simply walking outside and hooking the 97 up to the trailer instead of the 22 and I can tell you from first hand experience that it's a white knuckle shit show at 60 on state roads and I'm too chicken shit to try it out on the highways at 70-75 (doubt it would get there) but I'd imagine it's much worse. My 97 is also in no way, shape or form meant to be pulling a trailer like that behind it. Hell the receiver hitch was undersized for the old 28 footer and I have the highest rated hitch you can buy on it already.:laughing:
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Grow some balls :flipoff2:
 
And just for the record..... My 97 isn't a pile of clapped out shit that im trying to compare to new either. I'm the second owner and bought it from a coworker who bought it new at the dealership we worked at and treated it like it was his baby. It sat in his garage with blankets on it and it only came out in nice weather. I bought it 11ish years ago with 124k miles on it and as of today is just shy of 187k miles and has many many years of life left. Other than an old school Banks Stinger kit and a leveling kit that was put on by my buddy eons ago, it's bone stock.
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
And just for the record..... My 97 isn't a pile of clapped out shit that im trying to compare to new either. I'm the second owner and bought it from a coworker who bought it new at the dealership we worked at and treated it like it was his baby. It sat in his garage with blankets on it and it only came out in nice weather. I bought it 11ish years ago with 124k miles on it and as of today is just shy of 187k miles and has many many years of life left. Other than an old school Banks Stinger kit and a leveling kit that was put on by my buddy eons ago, it's bone stock.
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there's a reason I've only ever owned 2 diesels in my life :laughing:

with a <10k lbs utility trailer or car hauler, it's a whole lot less concerning for doing whatever it happens to be.
 
Provience said:
there's a reason I've only ever owned 2 diesels in my life :laughing:

with a <10k lbs utility trailer or car hauler, it's a whole lot less concerning for doing whatever it happens to be.
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My thoughts with you having land out in the middle of nowhere that you want to build on, that a truck/trailer that can haul a decent load would be in the mix. I bet building materials are alot cheaper and easier to obtain in Texas than they are in the middle of nowhere so if you're going there to work/build several times a year before moving permanently the savings in materials and amount of travel time required to make said trips and locate materials would all pen out in the end.
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
My thoughts with you having land out in the middle of nowhere that you want to build on, that a truck/trailer that can haul a decent load would be in the mix. I bet building materials are alot cheaper and easier to obtain in Texas than they are in the middle of nowhere so if you're going there to work/build several times a year before moving permanently the savings in materials and amount of travel time required to make said trips and locate materials would all pen out in the end.
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When you're just building for yourself the big truck just doesn't pencil out.
 
This thread has been effectively taken off track, so I will add more to it.

I like my 1/2 ton for what it is. Pulls my trailer and tractor well enough, can get 18 mpg on the highway even with E range tires, winch bumper and a winch on the front. The springs are way too soft. It really needs airbags or a weight distributing hitch on it.

The issue is I’m close to its limits. I’m thinking of going back to a 3/4 ton in the near future. I’ve been looking into Fords. That’s part of the reason I’m following this.
 
I do want a 14k gooseneck trailer, but i'm pretty confident my old carb junk can move that appreciably.

soon enough though, there will be a $3-5k truck out there that meets "farm needs" and is modern enough to do all the heavy things.
 
Like slowpoke my setup was apples to apples. Pulling the same bumper pull toy hauler I still have. Back then I was even lighter with no SXS in the garage only some bikes.

I didn't even get to try any of the big trips I wanted to cause the 174k mile 4R100 kept dumping all its blood every time I took it out.

That transmission in my original owner 7.3 truck cost me two family vacations, failed on a return trip of a 3rd vacation for the 3rd time and ultimately caused me to sell it for a new dually.

That (plenty capable :shaking:) truck also blew two rear tires under 2 years and 14k miles old causing over $10k worth of body damage. It also broke a XD wheel between those blow outs.

(There is a complete 12 pack worth of story about tires and transmission failures)

While that isn't necessarily related to the trucks fault it speaks to the actual fact that we occasionally BDL with our even realizing it. chaplinfj60 broke "plenty good enough ball mount that fortunately wasn't a big deal for him.

Like slowpoke said the hitches of those old trucks aren't even "rated" to pull the trailers we are asking of them now.

:beer:
 
Provience said:
for sure, but the question was still "whose gone backwards and been happy about it" and "carb trucks can't tow in the mountains". I'm the only one still stuck in time being happy about going backwards and fine with going slow up the hills.

If I was making money being heavy or I actually had to haul something 10k+ regularly, i'd be in a different rig. Nowadays prices are finally coming down on the early/mid 2000 stuff, another 10 years and something 2010+ should be reasonably priced. That might be the time I jump up to something newer. It really depends on what kind of trailers I end up with

because fuck me running, sure my current trailer is falling apart but a "new" trailer in the 14klb range is pretty silly money, any "new" 7klb trailer isn't worth the few bucks they are asking for them.
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I still refuse to believe yours 70s rig could pull 10k up to Tahoe from Sacramento without stopping.

Even the 2018 6.2/6spd F250 I had for work really struggled with that kind of wieght (8k skid on 4k trailer) up above 6k feet. Got into 1st gear on the summit.

Then going back down the brakes just won't make it.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
I still refuse to believe yours 70s rig could pull 10k up to Tahoe from Sacramento without stopping.

Even the 2018 6.2/6spd F250 I had for work really struggled with that kind of wieght (8k skid on 4k trailer) up above 6k feet. Got into 1st gear on the summit.

Then going back down the brakes just won't make it.
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It does better at WOT than partial, but it also just doesn't build enough heat to care. It'd be on the A or L side of normal, but if you just keep going, it will too. Clean cooling system is key, factory aux cooler for the trans.
 
Provience said:
It does better at WOT than partial, but it also just doesn't build enough heat to care. It'd be on the A or L side of normal, but if you just keep going, it will too. Clean cooling system is key, factory aux cooler for the trans.
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He didn't get it when I said it. He won't get it when you say it.
 
Provience said:
I wouldn't go back down at 70mph :laughing:
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Do you a) ride the brakes all the way down and end up in the runnaway truck alley or b) drop it into 2nd or low and let that late 70s 8.5-1 compression powerhouse slow you down while the engine screams just at or above redline before windowing the block? :laughing:
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
Do you a) ride the brakes all the way down and end up in the runnaway truck alley or b) drop it into 2nd or low and let that late 70s 8.5-1 compression powerhouse slow you down while the engine screams just at or above redline before windowing the block? :laughing:
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c) come to a 0-5mph roll at the crest, drop that bitch in 1st and mash the brakes every time the speedo hits 20. . You might be slow but at least you'll be alive. :laughing:
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
Do you a) ride the brakes all the way down and end up in the runnaway truck alley or b) drop it into 2nd or low and let that late 70s 8.5-1 compression powerhouse slow you down while the engine screams just at or above redline before windowing the block? :laughing:
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Sit in second, brake on the straights down to 40mph, then let it run up to 60 or so.

However, you don't see me starting a thread to question life or lament reliability when I have to rebuild an engine every decade. Going to do it this fall and it'll be cheaper than tires and fag wheels for a new truck :flipoff2:
 
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