Windshield washer fluid is water/meth so not really dangerous. I'm sure cupfulls at a time of either would cause the same damage if you sent it down the intake.
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Do New Ford Trucks Suck, or are My Expectations Too High?
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CarterKraft
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The "dangerous" part on a diesel anyway is you have no control over the timing of that "fuel" you are batch injecting in the intake.
On the LB7 Duramax project I worked on we ran two stages of meth, 10% and 50% this was pre dual cp3 days so we ran out of fuel pretty quick. This combo and a 250hp shot of nitrous split into two kits broke the crankshaft in two spots
I wouldn't say a washer fluid meth mix would be scary but I also wouldn't say it's fool proof.
CarterKraft
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We had far more nitrous fuck ups that were pretty cool cause the engine just noses over real bad, like too much air not enough fuel, pretty weird to see happen, in a gasoline engine that would kill pistons or blow your intake off.
I didn't realize nitrous back fires weren't a thing with diesels, that's pretty cool.
And as far as the meth injection, I'm talking about using it to cool the air to air intake charge when it goes above X temp on long grades on a very mildly modified engine in a tow vehicle and not using it as a performance enhancer in a hotrod motor.
CarterKraft
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Not sure it won't... But we never could get it to.I didn't realize nitrous back fires weren't a thing with diesels, that's pretty cool.
And as far as the meth injection, I'm talking about using it to cool the air to air intake charge when it goes above X temp on long grades on a very mildly modified engine in a tow vehicle and not using it as a performance enhancer in a hotrod motor.
YotaAtieToo
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The ice would be gone in a few minutes on any grade.
At some point, I'd think it might hest soak enough to be roughly equal to air to air, but I don't think it could ever be any worse? The turbos on them are good enough they keep them cool, plus they're built to handle more heat than the older stuff.
Meth doesn't have much cooling effect on a diesel, (despite what the guys who make it say, I've read lots of people say it doesn't) but it does add power. Pure water will cool, but why? Just use the right turbo and a good intercooler and it will work just fine. I've never had an issue with egts once I did the intercooler, and that's with the shitty ass stock 97 turbo. Pulled 10-14k in 100*+ up steep grades. Just have to be patient
People were all about water/Meth on diesels about 10 years ago. Seems like once they sold a bunch, people realized they weren't really worth it on a diesel. It's a pain to package the tank, then keep it full, pump maintenance, ect. My buddy had a hard on for it, put a 5 gal tank in his tool box and everything. I think he filled the tank maybe 3 times and was over it.
A good s300 series turbo will do wonders for these old diesels
speed bump
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Probably some of both. I climbed around my BIL 21 work truck and while it has some good things it also has a fair number of good things it also has a bunch of stuff that in my opinion are we can make it cheaper and most people won't notice. I'm also getting older so while I like my luxuries the nannies they also include with that are annoying and we have definitely moved into the customer is the beta tester for electronics in new vehicles even more so than in the past.
As far as old trucks and new trucks and capabilities. I live at 5500 ft and everywhere but one direction is up to leave. An old gas truck isn't pulling 10k+ very often out of town. That 4 spd eats clutches under heavy load, you get sick of listening to a wound up engine for 2 hours on a 1 hour trip while traffic whips around you at double your speed, and you're probably stopping every 100 miles for fuel.
Even 2000s gas trucks are at semi speeds with 10k behind them around here. This isn't a heavy load compared to what everyone is saying they put behind their rigs every day and best I could do was 45 mph up Homestake pass (which is only ~6300) with a run at it.
As far as old trucks and new trucks and capabilities. I live at 5500 ft and everywhere but one direction is up to leave. An old gas truck isn't pulling 10k+ very often out of town. That 4 spd eats clutches under heavy load, you get sick of listening to a wound up engine for 2 hours on a 1 hour trip while traffic whips around you at double your speed, and you're probably stopping every 100 miles for fuel.
Even 2000s gas trucks are at semi speeds with 10k behind them around here. This isn't a heavy load compared to what everyone is saying they put behind their rigs every day and best I could do was 45 mph up Homestake pass (which is only ~6300) with a run at it.
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It's not nearly as effective at cooling the charge in the intake. You want it going into the cylinder as mist so then it's vaporizing in there and the energy expended in that phase transition cools the intake charge before combustion.
This is more important in a forced induction gas engine where you also have fuel in there that's gonna go bang and cause problems if it gets too hot so w/m lets you dial up way more boost (and fuel to go with that air) before hitting that same wall of "any more and I cause problems".
reptillikus
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What's dangerous about water/meth injection?
I run straight water until its cold enough outside that im concerned about the tank freezing, then i add washer fluid to get the methanol content up just high enough that it wont. Maybe 10%? All the name brand pre-mixed water/methanol is 33% methanol, and so is walmart's winter blend of Supertech washer fluid
I dont need the extra HP from the methanol, but the water does a great job at dropping EGTs. One day ill probably add an intercooler as well.
My take on this thread: All trucks suck in one way or another, so build & upgrade the one you want. I like my noisy, fuel inefficient '96 Ford, so thats what im keeping around
welndmn
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I have a 91 Cummins and it pulls 200k lbs of railroad cars up a 120 degree hill.
At the end of the trip, it actually made me 5 gallons of diesel.
At the end of the trip, it actually made me 5 gallons of diesel.
ridered3
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DannyK
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This is an excellent point and caused me to look up the sales numbers. Wow. That is a lot of Ford F-series trucks out on the roads.
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I think the expectations are spot on. If i am spending over a years salary on a truck...(masters degree, teacher, middle class). ON what is supposed to be the best, newest, hotness....It better work as long as my current rig. AND if it shits the bed during warranty and im paying a mortgage payment on it, Ford better have a loaner truck in my driveway....
I have a 2000 excursion, 165k, og motor, or trans, gears, etc. Interior is still nice..Sure it has some rust, and its a bit slow. If i kill a motor or trans, I can replace it without too much cost. So no i dont think the new stuff competes with the old. They all break at somepoint, but shouldnt at under 100k miles, and then cost 25k to fix.
I have a 2000 excursion, 165k, og motor, or trans, gears, etc. Interior is still nice..Sure it has some rust, and its a bit slow. If i kill a motor or trans, I can replace it without too much cost. So no i dont think the new stuff competes with the old. They all break at somepoint, but shouldnt at under 100k miles, and then cost 25k to fix.
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Been away wheeling, but finally getting back and catching up on this thread, lots of good replies.
The truck was repaired by Ford, and they covered a large portion of the price, but I was still out of pocket roughly $3,400 and was without a truck for 40 days. Once I got it back I immediately hooked it up to my 14k trailer and towed the Bronco. The Bronco weighs in at a little over 8,000 lbs and my guess on the trailer is 2,500-3,000 lbs, for a total of roughly 11,000-12,000 lbs. The truck pulled it incredibly well on the highway and through the hills of PA, and honestly may have been the best its ever performed. That trans was either always off, or had been slowing failing for a very long time.
In no way was I questioning the performance of a new truck. I know there's been a huge jump in capability in the last 10-15 years. I more so was wondering if there was a more reliable truck brand on the market, and there doesn't seem to be. I also don't mind dumping money into a vehicle, but that is why I bought new, I dumped all the money up front. If I had planned on dumping money in repairs, I'd have bought something that cost half the price, and then wouldn't even second guess it needing a trans/major parts.
With the truck repaired, my plan is to keep it around for a while. Trans was new, and came with either a 2 or 3 year warranty/unlimited miles. I'll need to clarify the duration, but my plan is to get it evaluated near the end of that term. The service desk manager from Ford that I worked with doesn't believe the trans was updated in any way compared to the one I just replaced, so it may be prone to the same issues. I'll either make sure the fluids clean and run it at the end of the warranty window, blow it up again and have it replaced under warranty, or trade it in if its starting to fail. I can't afford to replace the trans every time the truck needs a set of tires.
Overall, I'm hoping quality picks up a bit now that Covid is over. Will that actually happen, maybe a little. Other than that, I'll be a little more keen to monitor for early symptoms of parts failing.
The truck was repaired by Ford, and they covered a large portion of the price, but I was still out of pocket roughly $3,400 and was without a truck for 40 days. Once I got it back I immediately hooked it up to my 14k trailer and towed the Bronco. The Bronco weighs in at a little over 8,000 lbs and my guess on the trailer is 2,500-3,000 lbs, for a total of roughly 11,000-12,000 lbs. The truck pulled it incredibly well on the highway and through the hills of PA, and honestly may have been the best its ever performed. That trans was either always off, or had been slowing failing for a very long time.
In no way was I questioning the performance of a new truck. I know there's been a huge jump in capability in the last 10-15 years. I more so was wondering if there was a more reliable truck brand on the market, and there doesn't seem to be. I also don't mind dumping money into a vehicle, but that is why I bought new, I dumped all the money up front. If I had planned on dumping money in repairs, I'd have bought something that cost half the price, and then wouldn't even second guess it needing a trans/major parts.
With the truck repaired, my plan is to keep it around for a while. Trans was new, and came with either a 2 or 3 year warranty/unlimited miles. I'll need to clarify the duration, but my plan is to get it evaluated near the end of that term. The service desk manager from Ford that I worked with doesn't believe the trans was updated in any way compared to the one I just replaced, so it may be prone to the same issues. I'll either make sure the fluids clean and run it at the end of the warranty window, blow it up again and have it replaced under warranty, or trade it in if its starting to fail. I can't afford to replace the trans every time the truck needs a set of tires.
Overall, I'm hoping quality picks up a bit now that Covid is over. Will that actually happen, maybe a little. Other than that, I'll be a little more keen to monitor for early symptoms of parts failing.
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Thanks man! The blue is what sold me on it. I searched all over for one with that color combo.Specs on the trailer? What happened to the paint on the front?
Damn blue truck looks nice
As for the trailers, it's actually 2 trailers. The rusty one is one I'd rent before I bought my own. The other is my 14k NexHaul. I believe its a 20 foot flat bed with a 4 foot beaver tail. I bought it 4 years ago I think, and it's been good to me so far!
Projectjunkie
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In 2010 I bought a cream puff 95 dodge diesel that was wrecked to build a fummins.
I sold nearly every single interior piece of that truck to people keeping them alive. A free of the buyers mentioned that they had both 2nd gen and 3rd gen trucks (that were new at that time) and were dumping the newer trucks because of quality issues, and restoring their older trucks.
We've seen several members trade backwards, but it seemed that they weren't heavy haulers, more of tow the jeep a few times a year guys, and were mostly looking for financial freedom....
I like the newest trucks, I like the 1000lbft, the 17" rotors, the air conditioned seats, the huge cooling stacks and 78kbtu ac units, the alleged 19-20mpg on flat highway empty.... and now I'm watching the prices coming down, they get my ears perked up.
But then I see this shit, $11k transmission replacements under 100k miles, $20k engine failures at 130k miles, or "piddly" $700 fixes at 40k miles that make for a limp mode to the dealer, but the parts are on back order and the dealership is swamped with other failures and the backlog is 7 weeks. There's no loaner. And the xlt guy who put 20k down on a worktruck is going to get bumped down the line by the guy who buys matching his and hers platinums to go to Costco. We know it happens.
Sure, a 2024 truck will out tow an old cummins or 7.3 all day long. But in the year 2045 the last 2024 truck is going to get winched onto a trailer, the pans, tanks and diffs are going to get punched and drained into a bucket, filtered through the headliner and poured into the tank of the scrappers 95 dodge
I have been stalking the leftover 2024 dodge diesel 4wd crews, tradesman package is $48k, gets you the lower output 6.7 and 68rfe trans. 18 years or so into that setup, next year is big changes, I imagine they've gotten it sorted out by now
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You only say that because you're a retarded fanboy. By the numbers the scrapper will be driving a Modular Superduty or an LS GMT800/900Sure, a 2024 truck will out tow an old cummins or 7.3 all day long. But in the year 2045 the last 2024 truck is going to get winched onto a trailer, the pans, tanks and diffs are going to get punched and drained into a bucket, filtered through the headliner and poured into the tank of the scrappers 95 dodge
Having retarded fanboys go after things is the death knell of those things for "real work" because the penny pinching guys doing low end work aren't gonna outbid the retard fanboys that just want the thing not giving a shit about value.
Kinda like how once all the mullet crowd lucked into spending cash the price of sqares went through the roof and you all but stopped seeing them doing real work.
CarterKraft
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To be fair to the 68rfe that $48k tradesman seems like a great deal on a solid enough platform.In 2010 I bought a cream puff 95 dodge diesel that was wrecked to build a fummins.
I sold nearly every single interior piece of that truck to people keeping them alive. A free of the buyers mentioned that they had both 2nd gen and 3rd gen trucks (that were new at that time) and were dumping the newer trucks because of quality issues, and restoring their older trucks.
We've seen several members trade backwards, but it seemed that they weren't heavy haulers, more of tow the jeep a few times a year guys, and were mostly looking for financial freedom....
I like the newest trucks, I like the 1000lbft, the 17" rotors, the air conditioned seats, the huge cooling stacks and 78kbtu ac units, the alleged 19-20mpg on flat highway empty.... and now I'm watching the prices coming down, they get my ears perked up.
But then I see this shit, $11k transmission replacements under 100k miles, $20k engine failures at 130k miles, or "piddly" $700 fixes at 40k miles that make for a limp mode to the dealer, but the parts are on back order and the dealership is swamped with other failures and the backlog is 7 weeks. There's no loaner. And the xlt guy who put 20k down on a worktruck is going to get bumped down the line by the guy who buys matching his and hers platinums to go to Costco. We know it happens.
Sure, a 2024 truck will out tow an old cummins or 7.3 all day long. But in the year 2045 the last 2024 truck is going to get winched onto a trailer, the pans, tanks and diffs are going to get punched and drained into a bucket, filtered through the headliner and poured into the tank of the scrappers 95 dodge
I have been stalking the leftover 2024 dodge diesel 4wd crews, tradesman package is $48k, gets you the lower output 6.7 and 68rfe trans. 18 years or so into that setup, next year is big changes, I imagine they've gotten it sorted out by now
IF you didn't chip it up and try and make 500 hp through it I bet that would be a solid platform long term.
Delete it and it would be a NEW, 3rd gen. Could still manual swap it down the line if the problem persisted.
Aggie06
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Serious question, is chipping diesels still a thing, or even possible with all of the restrictions placed on that stuff now?
Projectjunkie
Whatever
You're right, I'm a retarded fanboi of an inline 6 mdt engine with a mechanical oil lubed Bosch injection pump equipped with denso starter and alternator that can be squeezed into a pickup truck.
Now get off my sack
Snowy
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Like it’s been said in here previously, the same chassis, cab and powertrain underpins the $45k Tradesman/WT/XL as a $100k truck with every option box checked.
If you don’t like the luxury interior, just move down trims until you hit a price point that makes sense. Inflation adjusted, the low and mid trims are priced right in line with prices from 20 years ago
If you don’t like the luxury interior, just move down trims until you hit a price point that makes sense. Inflation adjusted, the low and mid trims are priced right in line with prices from 20 years ago
YotaAtieToo
Thick skull
Although I agree with your point. I'm not seeing them that cheap unless they just dropped?
My buddy ordered a ram 3500 cclb with rubber/vinal interior. Only added chrome package, larger fuel tank and the air bag rear. It was $70k otd. This was a little over a year ago though.
Another buddy bought a a new 22 F250 ccsb complete base model about the same time and was $50k sticker price. 6.2 gas though.
Snowy
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Ram’s have a bunch of money on the hood right now.
Gas regular cab 2wd:
Gas crew cab 4wd:
Diesel crew cab 4wd:
YotaAtieToo
Thick skull
Dodges are cheap again, maybe things are going back to normal
I heard the other day that an exact replacement for my wrecked 2019 F550 extra cab XL 6.7 4x4 service truck C&C is $80k. I'm almost positive it was $60-62k in late 2018 when we picked it up.
YotaAtieToo
Thick skull
Including the bed? Or bare frame?
I'll be curious what you think of the new one vs the 2019. I like my 2019, I'm not sold on the 23+ yet.
Cab & Chassis, no bed. They are getting the old service bed repaired.🙄 The owners didn't like the $200k price tag to replace the entire truck and service body so they came up with their own brilliant idea.
YotaAtieToo
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Cab & Chassis, no bed. They are getting the old service bed repaired.🙄 The owners didn't like the $200k price tag to replace the entire truck and service body so they came up with their own brilliant idea.
My old work had a crane bed side swiped and repaired it them selves, came out better than I would have expected.
They also bought a new F550 in 2011 with a crane bed (7k lb summit irrc) and the whole thing was just over $100k. Insane to think it double now.
Snowy
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Dodges are cheap again, maybe things are going back to normal
Right? There’s huge money on the hood of all trim levels for them. Laramie’s/Limited’s are $15k off sticker all day right now too. I think the demand bubble has finally burst on the super inflated MSRP’s that OEM’s are asking. Ford and GM, less extreme, but still can be had for well under sticker.
YotaAtieToo
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I just saw an article about the bubble popping, these $80k+ vehicles aren't moving off the lots.
It's not just diesels. A fullsize suv with a few options hits $100k quick