Do New Ford Trucks Suck, or are My Expectations Too High?

[Provience]

c) come to a 0-5mph roll at the crest, drop that bitch in 1st and mash the brakes every time the speedo hits 20. . You might be slow but at least you'll be alive.

Nah, not on 80 in the Sierra. Plenty of space and runoff.

When we were going through Utah, yes there were some 20mph downhills and fuck the traffic behind me twisty, windy shit

 

[YotaAtieToo]

You guys don't get it. Even the 00s diesels have a hard time in those mountains. 6k+ feet takes all your power. And then you have hairpin corners that you have to slow down to 20 mph or less, then try to accelerate back up just to do it all over again.

When a 2018 truck with 385hp 430tq has to go down to a 4:1 1st gear that your C6 doesn't even have, what do you expect that old rig to do?

My buddy used to tow with a late 80s 460/4spd. Even with a 3k lb samurai on a 1500lb trailer, he had a tough time. Ended up wrecking it coming down from rubicon when he lost his brakes.

 

[Provience]

You guys don't get it. Even the 00s diesels have a hard time in those mountains. 6k+ feet takes all your power. And then you have hairpin corners that you have to slow down to 20 mph or less, then try to accelerate back up just to do it all over again.

When a 2018 truck with 385hp 430tq has to go down to a 4:1 1st gear that your C6 doesn't even have, what do you expect that old rig to do?

My buddy used to tow with a late 80s 460/4spd. Even with a 3k lb samurai on a 1500lb trailer, he had a tough time. Ended up wrecking it coming down from rubicon when he lost his brakes.

Alright, nobody pulled anything over Donner before 2010 that weighed 5-10k lbs




20mph hair pin turns on hwy 80...going up? No, they aren't there.

Edit: yes, they exist when you get stuck behind a semi, but they don't exist if the road is clear, no reason to slow to 20mph then accelerate then slow to 20mph

 

[YotaAtieToo]

Alright, nobody pulled anything over Donner before 2010 that weighed 5-10k lbs

I admitted that 5k was an exaggeration, even though I gave an example of someone loosing thier brakes in an 80s 1 ton with that wieght behind them.

No I don't think anyone pulled 10k over Donner with a pick up in the 70s.

20mph hair pin turns on hwy 80...going up? No, they aren't there.

I
80 isn't bad, it's Hwy 50 or even 89 connecting over to Tahoe.

Edit: yes, they exist when you get stuck behind a semi, but they don't exist if the road is clear, no reason to slow to 20mph then accelerate then slow to 20mph

 

[CarterKraft]

Cottonwood pass has plenty of 15-20 mph suggested switch backs and even in the '22 with eleventy gears I was really wondering how well the 4.30's of the 450 would be cause I was down in to 2-3 and even dropped to first on one turn and had to get through the torque management to accelerate out of it.

Going down it was the opposite, manual gear hold in 3rd and down shifting to 2nd to scrub more speed to enter the turn.

For as easy as it is in this truck it's still a very serious pay attention deal.

In Arkansas there was a 12.5% grade albeit pretty short but that sum bitch was so steep if you tried to go slow you would unlock the torque converter and melt the seals out of it before reaching the summit.

This is cottonwood pass elevation.

 

[Provience]

I admitted that 5k was an exaggeration, even though I gave an example of someone loosing thier brakes in an 80s 1 ton with that wieght behind them.

No I don't think anyone pulled 10k over Donner with a pick up in the 70s.



I
80 isn't bad, it's Hwy 50 or even 89 connecting over to Tahoe.

Okay, there are plenty of worse ways to go, don't blame me if you want to get from A to B and I use the easy way

 

[Aggie06]

I had a 2018 Ram mega cab with the 6.4 that I pulled a 30 ft travel trailer over Monarch pass with. It did fine, but was full throttle to maintain speed.

 

[YotaAtieToo]

Okay, there are plenty of worse ways to go, don't blame me if you want to get from A to B and I use the easy way

I80 doesn't go to Tahoe.

Like I said, my modded 7.3 manual had a hard time with double the HP and 4 times the tq, got hot enough that I pulled over to let it cool off. So I'm sorry if I don't buy some old carb V8 with 85hp at 7k feet doing it no problem.

Agree to disagree I guess. I genuinely love that you're cool with driving a truck that old and wrenching on it often.

I reality, my original point wasn't that old shit doest work, more that the new trucks do stuff the old ones can't, and the stuff they can do effortlessly.

I would put 30k behind my 16 and take it on those roads with little caution.

 

[Provience]

If the picture will post, it's the easy way to get to tahoe

 

[Provience]

more that the new trucks do stuff the old ones can't, and the stuff they can do effortlessly.

I would put 30k behind my 16 and take it on those roads with little caution.

Absolutely agree

 

[YotaAtieToo]

If the picture will post, it's the easy way to get to tahoe

I know all the ways to get there. I grew up a few hours north but 80 doesn't take you all the way there.

Actually the part my truck got the hottest was highway 20 between Marysville and grass valley. But the top of the hill on 267 was the only time I had to drop to 2nd. Which is ridiculous with a ZF5 and 4.10s and 33s.

 

[Levigarrett76]

My god what an epic derail

 

[Gbkeith]

because fuck me running, sure my current trailer is falling apart but a "new" trailer in the 14klb range is pretty silly money, any "new" 7klb trailer isn't worth the few bucks they are asking for them.

Try auctions. I got a pretty nice 20’ 14k Load trail gooseneck for $2,500 this time last year. They had dozens.

 

[CarterKraft]

My god what an epic derail

He did ask a boobie trap of a question

 

[arse_sidewards]

Like I said, my modded 7.3 manual had a hard time with double the HP and 4 times the tq, got hot enough that I pulled over to let it cool off. So I'm sorry if I don't buy some old carb V8 with 85hp at 7k feet doing it no problem.

~4x the combustion going on inside it and ~1.5x the cooling, no shit it overheated.
let's see if he mentions core thickness, :black eyeroll:

Sorry not sorry I couldn't find a dimensional drawing for an '80 so you're getting '87 gas. Close enough it doesn't really matter

 

[CarterKraft]

What is the point of all your shit slinging on each other?

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

What is the point of all your shit slinging on each other?

It's fun?

 

[CarterKraft]

It's fun?

But it's the most useless comparisons or details you could ever want to compare.

This is worse than bench racing

 

[Provience]

But it's the most useless comparisons or details you could ever want to compare.

This is worse than bench racing

Look at the topic of the thread, of course it was going to be silly

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

But it's the most useless comparisons or details you could ever want to compare.

This is worse than bench racing

This is IBB, were you somehow expecting things to go differently?

 

[06h3]

I don’t know shit about cooling systems but we have been talking about overheating.

I like facts. Here are facts.

2016 F350 radiator for COOLANT I know it has a secondary radiator but for COOLANT only as the secondary radiator doesn’t touch coolant.

2002 F350 radiator for coolant

Does width and height matter more than core width? If not, an 02 f350 has more cooling capacity. An 02 f350 takes 32 quarts of coolant, a 2016 f350 takes 30 quarts.

All this bullshit about cooling capacity not being good enough is false. The capacity is there. The efficiency of the engine isn’t or other variables at play.

I think water to air intercoolers are 1000x better than air to air.

I am just tired of claiming cooling systems weren’t up to par, efficiency wasn’t up to par. Newer motors making way more power with less cooling

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

Air to water intercoolers are definitely better at keeping intake air temps down, and im a big fan of them, but then trying to keep the water cool enough to keep the intake air cool over an extended period becomes a problem and all the added weight and size of an air to water cooler package becomes a second problem. Using an air to air cooler and meth/water injection seems to be the best of both worlds.

 

[YotaAtieToo]

~4x the combustion going on inside it and ~1.5x the cooling, no shit it overheated.
let's see if he mentions core thickness, :black eyeroll:

Sorry not sorry I couldn't find a dimensional drawing for an '80 so you're getting '87 gas. Close enough it doesn't really matter

Never overheated, just got warm enough the egt' s would spike quickly.

The intercooler fixed that. I did 2nd gear all the way up white bird summit out of Lewiston without issue. My trail brake controller did some wierd shit right at the bottom and damn near brought me to a stop. With 10k or so behind me there was no getting it back.

Air to water intercoolers are definitely better at keeping intake air temps down, and im a big fan of them, but then trying to keep the water cool enough to keep the intake air cool over an extended period becomes a problem and all the added weight and size of an air to water cooler package becomes a second problem. Using an air to air cooler and meth/water injection seems to be the best of both worlds.

You know the 6.7psd is air to water right? Seems like they work well.

 

[YotaAtieToo]

What is the point of all your shit slinging on each other?

Fucking autism man

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

You know the 6.7psd is air to water right? Seems like they work well.

ya, I know what the new truck has in it. And I know it would work way beterer if it was fed with a 75 gallon ice water filled tank that was highly insulated and out of the sun. I didn't build it so it is what it is.

If I were going to hot rod the 7.3 it would be air to air like yours and have a meth kit on it for those long grades that spike egts. A 5 gallon meth/water tank built into the truck like these new ones with def tanks are would be the cats ass.

 

[CarterKraft]

ya, I know what the new truck has in it. And I know it would work way beterer if it was fed with a 75 gallon ice water filled tank that was highly insulated and out of the sun. I didn't build it so it is what it is.

If I were going to hot rod the 7.3 it would be air to air like yours and have a meth kit on it for those long grades that spike egts. A 5 gallon meth/water tank built into the truck like these new ones with def tanks are would be the cats ass.

Water/meth is no doubt really effective...

Chilled water heat exchanger is also effective but is limited in capacity which is the problem with that design.

Anyone know what the 6.7 IAT is on a long pull?

 

[Provience]

Water/meth is no doubt really effective...

Chilled water heat exchanger is also effective but is limited in capacity which is the problem with that design.

Anyone know what the 6.7 IAT is on a long pull?

42* according to this thread

 

[06h3]

Is water/meth less dangerous if you just ran distilled water to cool down EGTs?

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

Is water/meth less dangerous if you just ran distilled water to cool down EGTs?

What's dangerous about water/meth injection?

 

[06h3]

What's dangerous about water/meth injection?

No personal experience but heard many times on forums guys blowing up their shit, bent pushrods, connecting rods, etc. with water/meth.

Idk….Maybe those situations are an issue where they spray too much and hydrolock their motor? Not sure.

I’m here to be enlightened