Levigarrett76
Zeus of the Sluice
People suck, trash or scrap
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CL/marketplace interaction/ negotiation tactics (BaT thread hgtd reboot/ spinoff)
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I am up front about meeting location when selling.
When buying, if they want to do weird "withhold the location" shit, I give them my phone number and talk to them on the phone. Usually they are just worried and a phone call tends to ease their minds for whatever reason. I don't like not knowing where I am going.
I've had too many dumbasses just randomly decide to show up at my house without even discussing a meeting time
Like I'm at work at 11am "hey dis ur house wher u at im here"
Now I give them the crossroads, and the address when either I'm home or when they are on the way.
This is really the best way. An actual phone call will generally clear everything up
Swayzeexpress
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I got a claw machine for the kids for Christmas from a restaurant. They said 1k firm to me. Sent the ad to my 24 year old nephew, he just wrote "would you tale 650?" They said yes lol
He basically said if you write too much kids think it's a scam or you are old and rich
He basically said if you write too much kids think it's a scam or you are old and rich
not2hye
Knucklehead
After my fair share of buying and selling.
I agree with a whole bunch of stuff here.
But good lord. Would it kill people to include details and descriptions of what they are selling? At least take half decent pictures?
And what's with getting pissy when you ask for the details about something you need to know to not waste their time and yours. I don't think you should get angry when I ask if something is single phase or 3 phase for example. Pretty basic detail that will make or break a deal. Put that info in the ad or don't get mad when someone asks....
Would it also kill anybody to read the ad? I feel like I do damn good job of listing specs and being as descriptive as possible and people still ask questions that could have been answered by reading the ad....
I agree with a whole bunch of stuff here.
But good lord. Would it kill people to include details and descriptions of what they are selling? At least take half decent pictures?
And what's with getting pissy when you ask for the details about something you need to know to not waste their time and yours. I don't think you should get angry when I ask if something is single phase or 3 phase for example. Pretty basic detail that will make or break a deal. Put that info in the ad or don't get mad when someone asks....
Would it also kill anybody to read the ad? I feel like I do damn good job of listing specs and being as descriptive as possible and people still ask questions that could have been answered by reading the ad....
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degenerate at large
your shit better be cheap and nice for me to start driving to a crossroads on the blind faith of a fb messenger response and enough cell signal to get a chat message out.
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degenerate at large
Wyoming sounds as different and idyllic as i imagine it to be in my mind's eye based on your description of 90%+ fair and pleasant FB/CL transactions. {Either that or you're easy to please/ an easy mark/poor negotiator.
}I can say that more than half of my interactions/transactions are good/ smooth; but we're definitely not going to crack 75% mark- there are always some bumpy ones every once in a while.
I usually ask for a phone number to call/text when working on a meetup that's more than 20 min drive time. its not infrequent that people dont want to share a number.
with nearby metro areas its fierce competition to get on the top of the list to buy on well priced vehicles/tractors. " I want to buy this {item}. I have cash in hand and trailer is hooked to my truck ready to hit the road. Just let me know when and where to come pay and pickup ." has maybe 50% success rate on stuff priced well enough that I won't argue with it. the guys it wins with say, the straightforward no tire kicker approach struck their fancy.
some people just feel some inherent sense of duty to arbitrary position in inquiry line i guess.
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Last two things I bought off craigslist I got the run around for the address.
The first one I can understand as he didnt live on the property either and it was a ways out.
Second one was a $2500 pickup in the guys backyard. Fenced and gated, yet still had to check in for my next bit of directions on how to get there
The first one I can understand as he didnt live on the property either and it was a ways out.
Second one was a $2500 pickup in the guys backyard. Fenced and gated, yet still had to check in for my next bit of directions on how to get there
OutlawRider
Gum Gardener
Just curious how many remember the thread I started where dude shorted me $500 bucks (my fault not counting) and then come to find out was some piece of trash child molester that got butt hurt saying something about my “friends” need to quit harassing him….
If you're committed enough to set up a time to look at my item, you'll have my phone number
Chances are if you're truly interested, you'll pick up the phone and call me. If you sound like a reasonable human on the phone I'll probably have no problem giving you my address. If you want to send cryptic messages back and forth on messenger i'm giving you cryptic directions. Choose your own adventure.
I'm the one that will low ball if it's a distance away from me. I usually try to ask if they ever come my way/ near the area.
I never give people my home address. I'll vet the person over the phone to decide if it's someone I'll bring to my shop. If it seems weird in any way. Then a big open, well lit parking lot works.
If it's been up for sale for a couple weeks, I'll send a low offer to test the waters.
Another thing I'll ask "what's the package deal, for everything." Usually people would rather dump it all in one visit then deal with 3 other people and the price will usually be better for everything.
Also, I won't sell anything to a stranger for less than 100 bucks. I feel anything that's worth less than 100 isn't worth my time.
Lastly, when I really want something. I ask what's their favorite beer/style of drink and bring it. For me this will help with haggling, and or secure the deal.
One time a dude 1.5 hours away had a front and rear d60 from a 79 Ford for 500 bucks. I was one of the first 5 people to call. I said I'll take both axles for the price and bring him a 12er. Everyone else only wanted just the front so they got passed up and offering the 12er sealed the deal when others were trying to offer double after me. Dude was a man of his word.
I'm a totally jew on prices and my friends know it but I still get the deals. Lmao
Jimbo
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degenerate at large
" Tires- 50 % tread' {uh, size perhaps???}
"Wheels & tires- took off my truck. lots of life left." {definitely don't tell us what vehicle they came off of. much less any clue as to size/bolt pattern.}
" car/ equipment trailer" { not the first measurement/ dimension provided}
these are the top 3 worst offenders i can think of.
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1990GT50
Wannabe Rock God
This is my stance these days as well.
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degenerate at large
well yeah, if you as a seller gave me your phone number you're getting a text/call from my driveway as i'm pulling out.
but expecting me to start out on the quest to Narnia in pursuit of the next scroll of directions to be leaked later exclusively via FB messenger (silicon vally Zuck cuck nerds: ' lets make it a separate app for chat from the merchandise listing too! and lets also definitely make them require updates at different rates! ) is some bullshit.
gunracer1
Collector of fine junk
say i put something up at 2k, some moron will offer 1k. i usually tell them i will buy all of them i can at that price. or they ask what is the cash price? i usually respond i hate to tell you this but i don't take checks.
Wyoming sounds as different and idyllic as i imagine it to be in my mind's eye based on your description of 90%+ fair and pleasant FB/CL transactions. {Either that or you're easy to please/ an easy mark/poor negotiator.
I can say that more than half of my interactions/transactions are good/ smooth; but we're definitely not going to crack 75% mark- there are always some bumpy ones every once in a while.
I usually ask for a phone number to call/text when working on a meetup that's more than 20 min drive time. its not infrequent that people dont want to share a number.
with nearby metro areas its fierce competition to get on the top of the list to buy on well priced vehicles/tractors. " I want to buy this {item}. I have cash in hand and trailer is hooked to my truck ready to hit the road. Just let me know when and where to come pay and pickup ." has maybe 50% success rate on stuff priced well enough that I won't argue with it. the guys it wins with say, the straightforward no tire kicker approach struck their fancy.
some people just feel some inherent sense of duty to arbitrary position in inquiry line i guess.
I go in to a negotiation offering what I am willing to pay (generally a "low baller" number). Does this make me a bad negotiator? Maybe. But I have always been able to buy what I want at the price I want it. I am just incredibly patient (annoyingly so to some) and know that nothing out there is really a "1 of 1" item. With patience and timing, I can make a lot of deals happen. I can also make deals happen quickly as I have a very fluid work schedule and can take time off generally whenever I want to.
It's not just in Wyoming either, I also make deals in Montana (Billings), Colorado (Fort Collins all the way down to Colorado Springs), Utah (Salt Lake Valley), Eastern Idaho, and Western Nebraska.
I do miss out on a fair amount of stuff in Denver and Salt Lake due to how far away I am, but sometimes I happen to be in town and can make deals happen. Stuff does go fast in the cities.
On the selling side, I used to part trucks out on Craigslist and got to the point where I would set a fair price and just stick to it. Negotiating small parts is exhausting and annoying and if someone doesn't want to pay my price then GTFO.
Selling vehicles/trailers is a bit different and I negotiate to a point, but usually don't drop much off my asking price as my asking price is generally pretty fair. If it doesn't sell quick enough, I will unlist it and wait a month or two before trying again. Generally works pretty well.
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degenerate at large
so if youre selling a car/trailer and someone says hey i'm coming from x state over and can be there tomorrow around lunch would you accept {say 10% less than your listed price} you're going to tell them 'we can talk about that when you get here.' ??
DMG
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Or simply no. If its such a great deal that they will drive from x state over for 10% off, someone local will buy it every time.
Also, if I do end up doing in person negotiation, I put what I plan to offer in one pocket. I then split up incremental amounts into different pockets and have a stash in the truck. This allows me to pull out my exact offer while also letting me incrementally go up with my offer one pocket at a time. I also then have some extra in the truck in case I want something else they have. I prefer negotiating over text, but I will do it in person with this method if they force it. Some people are just "old school" like that.
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degenerate at large
I respect that stance more than 'i only negotiate in person.'
But say it wasn't out of state but only ~2 hours away or the other side of whatever metro you're on the outside of that's a 90 minute drive?
And this is sort of adjacent to my example in post #1- the guy didn't say 'no negotiation via text' or 'my price is firm'; he just didn't know how to respond to a fairly low opening/ icebreaker offer, the language he used indicated he knew it was an 'asking price' and wasn't obtuse to the fact that it might have been a bit high for the market.
I felt it would have been more rude/brash/ irritating to followup by continuing to chuck decreasingly lower numbers at him so i dropped it to let him marinate/ reach back out when he settled down/ collected his thoughts.
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degenerate at large
I don't like playing games- it rubs me the wrong way when someone comes off of that game and pulls money out of the other pocket. Don't come to my house and try some act to attempt to play me for a fool- i can read your demeanor appearance and how you carry yourself and the ride you hopped out of to get an idea what your angle and financial wherewithal is.
If you actually ran out of money and i don't like where that number is, i'll tell you to go home and check the couch cushions call your grandma and come back when you find some more.
You start playing the short money game and then reaching into that other pocket and i catch on, it's game on- i'm about to make it my goal to see how much is in that other pocket or how many other pockets you've got.
The issue at hand is not how much money I have, I'm offering you what I'm willing to pay for it/ what I think its worth.
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Different games for different folks. Don't make me negotiate in person and it isn't an issue.
DMG
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My ads say i will only consider offers made in person. People that dont abide by that are ignored or blocked. I buy and sell a lot online and have found that people that dont read the ad and people that send offers without seeing the item are not real buyers. They are mentally masturbating.
See, you would make me negotiate in person. Not my preference, but I get the reasons behind it.
If I am negotiating in person, I also will typically dress differently and drive a different vehicle than if I had pre-negotiated a price. I dress down and drive cheaper vehicles for in person negotiation. In my opinion, appearances matter a lot for in person.
budget76
Thread Killer
Buying: I offer a price online. If you accept, we have a deal or we counter online. I show up, you get money, I get item. Half the time I will venmo/paypal and ask them to leave it outside, less wasted time for either of us.
Selling: I accept your offer. you show up. I get money. You offer less, I say no.
I don't have time to drive to your house to lowball you and get told no. Only exception is vehicles or similar where you really need eyes on to get the full picture.
I meet at the elementary school 2 miles away because my BIL was selling audio stuff, they saw all the goodies in the background. He got robbed for >$20k of home theater gear late one night, some of which was on loan from companies for review and not even his. Thankfully they only went into the garage and everyone was at the other end of the house asleep, unfortunately(or fortunately) including the dog.
That ended meeting at the house for anything I can move myself
Selling: I accept your offer. you show up. I get money. You offer less, I say no.
I don't have time to drive to your house to lowball you and get told no. Only exception is vehicles or similar where you really need eyes on to get the full picture.
I meet at the elementary school 2 miles away because my BIL was selling audio stuff, they saw all the goodies in the background. He got robbed for >$20k of home theater gear late one night, some of which was on loan from companies for review and not even his. Thankfully they only went into the garage and everyone was at the other end of the house asleep, unfortunately(or fortunately) including the dog.
That ended meeting at the house for anything I can move myself
Roc Doc
2A SNBI
Ad for a case of 5.56 rounds in 2020.
Me: Case of PMC X-Tac 5.56 62g on stripper clips. $900. (Picture)
Douche: Is this Covid pricing? LOL!
Me: Yes
Douche: Will you take $700
Me: No.
Douche: You don't have to be an ass about it!
Me: OK snowflake.
Had two cases and sold them both in under a week for my asking price. Knowing the actual value of your product at the time is kinda important.
Me: Case of PMC X-Tac 5.56 62g on stripper clips. $900. (Picture)
Douche: Is this Covid pricing? LOL!
Me: Yes
Douche: Will you take $700
Me: No.
Douche: You don't have to be an ass about it!
Me: OK snowflake.
Had two cases and sold them both in under a week for my asking price. Knowing the actual value of your product at the time is kinda important.