Anyone use a Garden Tractor loader?

[Gbkeith]

TLDR

I’m just an asshole. Period. People as a whole are just stupid. Kind of like typing a page response to look brilliant, but not discussing the topic at all. You’re just being an idiot.

Yes, but why are you an asshole? What is it that makes you the way you are? What is it that makes IHman IHman? You can tell us. There’s an old diamond of some color engine with a hole in the block out in the boneyard that I used to knock my shin on before I moved it out there. So I know where you’re coming from.

 

[2big bronco]

Sure, and ruin the hydraulic pump and mix water in the system.

I guarantee it will run. That fire didn’t hurt that engine. If it doesn’t run, it’s not due to the fire.

Agreed.... are any of us sure it ran before the fire?

Oh, im an expert also because I have hundreds of dollars in tools and have most likely owned more tractors then anyone else on this site...

 

[IH Man]

Agreed.... are any of us sure it ran before the fire?

Who cares? It can be fixed.
Firing it up before making all the checks and getting things ready is only asking for more issues to fix.
Common sense kind of stuff.

 

[IH Man]

Yes, but why are you an asshole?

Irrelevant to the site or the topic.

I have an allergy to stupidity and it makes me cranky.

 

[Mikenike]

Irrelevant to the site or the topic.

I have an allergy to stupidity and it makes me cranky.

Maybe remove the mirrors in your house? That should stop the allergic reaction

 

[IH Man]

Maybe remove the mirrors in your house? That should stop the allergic reaction

Wow. That was original. And lame.

 

[V30crewcab]

what is it with assplowboys and wrecking threads? we're trying get tractors running here.

 

[IH Man]

what is it with assplowboys and wrecking threads? we're trying get tractors running here.

Hey, just for the record, you and I used to be on another forum together. I don’t remember any issues between us.

Matter of fact, I probably even helped you fix your garden tractor a few times.

 

[bgaidan]

Hey, just for the record, you and I used to be on another forum together. I don’t remember any issues between us.

Matter of fact, I probably even helped you fix your garden tractor a few times.

Maybe try going back to that forum and fucking off from this one?

 

[IH Man]

Maybe try going back to that forum and fucking off from this one?

Or not.

 

[Chzbrgr]

No I don’t.
I keep commenting to give advice/opinion.
I have over $100k in tools. I proved myself already. I couldn’t give a shit whether someone on the internet thinks I’m an asshole, ignorant, whatever. I don’t need the internet people’s “help” to fix my stuff. I just walk out to the shed and fix it.

You fix bridges?

 

[IH Man]

You fix bridges?

I do not.
Burned a few.

 

[Tiha]

Fuck all that, disconect the altenator, grab what junk out of the intake you can with your hand, and start cranking it while spraying wd40 down the hole. Find out if it has a chance of maybe running before dumping all the effort into it

Pretty much nailed it. I am not spending a dime on this thing until I know it will run.
It looks like it will run, all the signs look good.
Previous owner said it ran.

But then this is a half burnt tractor off of FB. Can't trust anything.

I will pull the drain on the hydraulics, make sure there is no water or muck in the bottom. Quick 10 sec check.
Haven't seen signs of water intrusion anywhere in any of the other systems so far. If there is water in there it is most likely from condensation and not working the tractor hard enough.
When I uncoupled the loader the oil looked like it was just put in there. Brand new.
If anything I am at the highest risk of water contamination right now because the tractor is sitting outside until I get a spot open. I am pretty sure it has been a lot of years since this thing sat out in the weather if ever.

After I know this thing runs, as in, no bad head gaskets, busted crankshaft, cracked block, dead cylinder, ect.
Then I will go to town flushing the rest of the fluids out of all the other systems as well as the rest of the maintenance items and ordering parts.

right now, my parts list, I am only at about $500 Geez $150 of that is the seat. LOL
Then of course 100 man hours probably lol.
None of that includes any painting if I choose to do it.

I am sure once I get it going and start testing the systems other problems will pop up. Like the loader controls. I am so convinced that they took too much heat I have to keep convincing myself to wait and see before adding that to my parts list.

Anyway, On to fun stuff.

Thinking about this for gauges. Only makes sense to have chinese parts in a Jap tractor right?

Build it into the dash. The only thing I haven't figured out is if I can calibrate it to my fuel sending unit or if I have to get one with a specific ohm range. Not even sure if it is metric or can show SAE yet
Thinking of recessing this in the dash, was kind of planning on a shade/weather cover over the dash anyway.

It's a $20 gamble. LOL

Thoughts?

Wish | Shop and Save

 

[IH Man]

Thinking about this for gauges. Only makes sense to have chinese parts in a Jap tractor right?

Why not just find a used one in a salvage yard?

 

[IH Man]

Like the loader controls. I am so convinced that they took too much heat I have to keep convincing myself to wait and see before adding that to my parts list.

Should be a cast iron valve body. You can put new o rings in it if it leaks. Doesn’t look to me like it got hot enough in that area to hurt the actual valve body. Have to have gotten pretty hot to damage it. Unless it’s an aluminum valve body, but I doubt it is.

 

[Mr.Ratbastard]

Irrelevant to the site or the topic.

I have an allergy to stupidity and it makes me cranky.

Maybe it's an autoimmune disease?

 

[IH Man]

Maybe it's an autoimmune disease?

My wife says it’s incurable. Haven’t asked a professional.

 

[Tiha]

Why not just find a used one in a salvage yard?

More complicated, more work, more money. Installing a dash would be pain without a harness. A harness would be a pain without all of the sensors and relays. At that point why not just buy one not burnt up?

I will probably add a neutral safety switch, or a parking brake switch to the starting system otherwise it doesn't need all that other stuff.

This is a stupid dumb tractor. It doesn't need to be nearly as complicated as they designed it from the factory.
Nobody needs turn signal indicators in the dash on a cabless tractor.
Nobody ever running this thing is going to care what the rpms are.
Since it is not restored to original total hours ,which are unknown, are useless and meaningless.
The simpler the better. The lights will probably be the most complicated system on this thing.
Even debating on adding the external voltage regulator for charging vs 1 wire alt conversion.

I am even thinking the digital LCD screen is too much compared to mechanical oil and water gauges. But the LCD is cheaper and different and unique. LOL

Have not even tried to track down a service manual yet. There is a 2 wire sensor in the intake manifold. What is that? Who needs that? I guess there was a filter restriction gauge in the dash? No idea, only thing that makes sense though.
Over complicated.
Would much rather have someone pull the filter and look at instead of just saying oh well the gauge in the dash says it is fine.

 

[IH Man]

More complicated, more work, more money. Installing a dash would be pain without a harness. A harness would be a pain without all of the sensors and relays. At that point why not just buy one not burnt up?

Oh, for god sake. Have you even tried to find one to know cost? Used dash might be $50. Might be $25. Could be $100 if nobody has one and they are hard to find.

Whatever man.

Nobody ever running this thing is going to care what the rpms are.

If they are using it like a tractor they would.
You may not, but it was there for good reason.

Like I said, it's your tractor, so whatever. But I've seen guys do this 1000 times. "Oh that will cost too much. Here, I'll cluster fuck this stuff up on it because this stuff is cheaper!" Meanwhile, the correct parts were in fact cheaper. They just didn't bother to look.

 

[Tiha]

Oh, for god sake. Have you even tried to find one to know cost? Used dash might be $50. Might be $25. Could be $100 if nobody has one and they are hard to find.

I appreciate your help and the effort you are giving to try and help.

Yes, I have tracked down 2 tractors in salvage yards near me. There are very few OEM specific parts where it would easier to have. One is the oil filler neck. Not available from dealer. I can make one, but found one for $10 at the used yard.
Nobody has an oil fill cap which blows my mind. The opening is 1.5" big trucks use a water bottle type stopper for fill cap that is 1.5" so that is probably what it will get.

In comparison one yard wanted $30 and the other $50 for the coolant recovery tank without cap. I can get a universal one off ebay for $11 with similar dimensions to fit in the same spot, cap, and clear enough I can see the level in it. LOL

Neither of these two yards are wiling to sell the complete wire harness.
One tractor the dash was busted up and not useable. The other would sell me the dash, tach cable, light switch and pigtails for dash at $550.

They were asking new price for the shifter knobs. Which you can still order from ford/new holland.

I am sure there are other yards with these tractors and better prices but then I am paying shipping. I just don't see the point.

Though it would be cool to restore it to its' former glory, it is an $1,100 disposable tractor that I care nothing about and might run a couple hours once or twice a year.
I have a pretty good idea what I am doing and where I am going with it.

What I post is mostly for fun, entertainment, and so others can see what it is like working on a half burnt up project in case they were considering one or thinking they couldn't do it. When in fact I know they can.

 

[BillyBronco]

I appreciate the journey of the build and the fact that you are going around factory parts to find ones that will work and be hack-fucking-tastic.

 

[IH Man]

Nobody has an oil fill cap which blows my mind. The opening is 1.5" big trucks use a water bottle type stopper for fill cap that is 1.5" so that is probably what it will get.

Tractor is listed as using the Shibaura N843, which was also branded as a Caterpillar and Perkins engine. Looks like all 3 brands are just rebadged Shibaura N843. Cat called it the 3013. Can't find the Perkins designation. Try Caterpillar for the oil fill tube and cap.

 

[BillyBronco]

Tractor is listed as using the Shibaura N843, which was also branded as a Caterpillar and Perkins engine. Looks like all 3 brands are just rebadged Shibaura N843. Cat called it the 3013. Can't find the Perkins designation. Try Caterpillar for the oil fill tube and cap.

Quick search on eBay has it as a Perkins 403D-11

 

[Tiha]

Tractor is listed as using the Shibaura N843, which was also branded as a Caterpillar and Perkins engine. Looks like all 3 brands are just rebadged Shibaura N843. Cat called it the 3013. Can't find the Perkins designation. Try Caterpillar for the oil fill tube and cap.

Seems like a lot of people felt Shibaura had it figured out LOL Had the same perkins problem, they are all over around here too.
Never did check any of the Cat listings.

Quick search on eBay has it as a Perkins 403D-11

That helps a ton. Thanks!

 

[WTF?]

Yeah, they still sell them.... if you can afford to buy the parts.

And no, you can’t walk into a Deere dealer and get any and every part for a 430. I did 25 years in that industry. You aren’t going to tell me anything I don’t know, that’s why I’m trying to give you real advice. Deere sucks. They’re green tractors. Nothing any more special about them than a red, orange or blue one. They bend you over at the parts counter harder than any other OEM. Be glad you’re working on a Ford.
…
Go to a Deere dealer and try to get parts for a 400 garden tractor. Or a 317. Last I worked on a 55 series compact tractor there were some parts I couldn’t get from mother Deere. They can’t keep everything available forever.

So you admitted they’re more available but expensive, then go on to contradict it.

Your head is fully up your own ass if you can’t admit Deere has more parts support than most anyone else. Sure they’re expensive, and not everything is available, but the amount of stuff that is still available and easy to find on the dealers parts catalog is pretty much unparalleled for models that are 25+ yrs old. The machines themselves aren’t much better or worse than most other colors though.

I’m just an asshole. Period.

This is the most accurate thing you’ve said since you showed up uninvited.

I have over $100k in tools. I proved myself already.

The value of their tool collection is definitely something a know nothing blowhard asshole brags about. You haven’t proved shit to anyone here other than you’re an annoying needledicked asshole.

I don’t need the internet people’s “help” to fix my stuff. I just walk out to the shed and fix it.

Ok then go the fawk away, drink bleach and suck start a shotgun. And quit fawking up this thread and any other outside of the plow tard playpen.

 

[IH Man]

So you admitted they’re more available but expensive, then go on to contradict it.

Your head is fully up your own ass if you can’t admit Deere has more parts support than most anyone else. Sure they’re expensive, and not everything is available, but the amount of stuff that is still available and easy to find on the dealers parts catalog is pretty much unparalleled for models that are 25+ yrs old. The machines themselves aren’t much better or worse than most other colors though.


This is the most accurate thing you’ve said since you showed up uninvited.


The value of their tool collection is definitely something a know nothing blowhard asshole brags about. You haven’t proved shit to anyone here other than you’re an annoying needledicked asshole.


Ok then go the fawk away, drink bleach and suck start a shotgun. And quit fawking up this thread and any other outside of the plow tard playpen.

Oh gosh. I’m so upset. You’re a real Billy badass.

 

[87manche]

pm me email address and I'll send you the service manual.

 

[Tiha]

Failed on the CAT parts, but Perkins shows the oil fill cap. Looks just like the factory ford/new holland one. So yay, Awesome find.

Supposed to be nice today and I have tonight open so far. So hope to fire this thing up tonight.

If it appears to run good then I am going to town on ordering parts for it.

Having the debate in my head, I really should fix some of the paint now before I start installing parts, it would be easier.
But on the other hand, not sure I want to even bother with it. It won't be sitting outside probably as long as I own it.

I hate rattle can paint. The finish to me always looks like rattle can paint. So fixing the paint is a lot more work for me than what it needs to be.

Then of course painting part of it will make the rest look horrible.

My son thinks I should paint it green. Uhm no. I don't need that abomination in my yard. LOL

But you know, Cat yellow with some Cat stickers would confuse a lot of people. LOL

 

[2big bronco]

Failed on the CAT parts, but Perkins shows the oil fill cap. Looks just like the factory ford/new holland one. So yay, Awesome find.

Supposed to be nice today and I have tonight open so far. So hope to fire this thing up tonight.

If it appears to run good then I am going to town on ordering parts for it.

Having the debate in my head, I really should fix some of the paint now before I start installing parts, it would be easier.
But on the other hand, not sure I want to even bother with it. It won't be sitting outside probably as long as I own it.

I hate rattle can paint. The finish to me always looks like rattle can paint. So fixing the paint is a lot more work for me than what it needs to be.

Then of course painting part of it will make the rest look horrible.

My son thinks I should paint it green. Uhm no. I don't need that abomination in my yard. LOL

But you know, Cat yellow with some Cat stickers would confuse a lot of people. LOL

How old is your son. Get him a gallon of whatever color he wants and a small paintbrush. Show him how to try to not get paint on hoses and stuff and let him go to town.

 

[Tiha]

How old is your son. Get him a gallon of whatever color he wants and a small paintbrush. Show him how to try to not get paint on hoses and stuff and let him go to town.

He is 22. LOL

He wanted to order some flame stickers for it.

We all joke about it. My oldest was down yesterday and the two of them were giving me a hard time about it all day.

Bet it won't seem so funny when they want to borrow it.