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Alec Baldwin Shot a Lady

ChiScouter said:
She said she did not know what was going happening on the set, she should have had a radio. Typically all the chatter is on Channel 1 and props may have been on their own channel, but on that small of a production she should have been on 1 she would have had no one to talk to on the prop channel.
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I don’t know if I believe the armorer, but if she is not on the set, I can’t blame her. It doesn’t really matter what she loaded in the gun, she obviously didn’t just hand it to Alec Moments before the shooting. So I would say that relieves her of any wrong doing. The ammo supplier is even further down line, so I certainly can’t blame them.

So we’re back to Alec. As it should be. If he wants to claim dumb, he shouldn’t have done anything with the gun till the armorers was present. If he wants to say he knows about guns, he fuc’d up. So manslaughter or murder depending on if she’s pregnant with his kid.
 
WaterH said:
I don’t know if I believe the armorer, but if she is not on the set, I can’t blame her. It doesn’t really matter what she loaded in the gun, she obviously didn’t just hand it to Alec Moments before the shooting
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The thing is, if you're working on set, you are always on set! It's very difficult to get away and, as just mentioned, there's no getting away from that fucking radio.
 
Firstram said:
The thing is, if you're working on set, you are always on set! It's very difficult to get away and, as just mentioned, there's no getting away from that fucking radio.
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She could be sitting out back smoking a joint. If she’s not there, Alec shouldn’t be screwing with the gun. They can fire her for not answering the radio, but she’s not responsible for someone screwing with her shit. Back to the Crane operator. If he’s out screwing an extra, can Alec just say “I’ll operate the dam Crane”. Then kill someone with it and say it’s the operators fault?
 
WaterH said:
She could be sitting out back smoking a joint. If she’s not there, Alec shouldn’t be screwing with the gun. They can fire her for not answering the radio, but she’s not responsible for someone screwing with her shit. Back to the Crane operator. If he’s out screwing an extra, can Alec just say “I’ll operate the dam Crane”. Then kill someone with it and say it’s the operators fault?
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What about the assistant director? Isn't there someone involved that could possibly share some of the responsibility here? Or is your hardon AB specific?
 
OK here's two cartridges I made. One is a live round the other is a dummy I use to check chambers and processed ammo.

Which is the live round and which is the dummy?
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ExWrench said:
Ummm, the dood that didn't show the primers in his "which is which" photo :flipoff2:


EDIT: but I'm guessing the one on the right due to more visible handling damage
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Ding. I guess I gave it away in the description, but I'm sure you know what I'm getting at.

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So hypotheticallly speaking, if you were an actor handed a revolver, it'd be fairly easy to open and make sure there's a dot in the end of each primer ensuring all loaded rounds are indeed dummies? 🤔
 
OllieNZ said:
So hypotheticallly speaking, if you were an actor handed a revolver, it'd be fairly easy to open and make sure there's a dot in the end of each primer ensuring all loaded rounds are indeed dummies? 🤔
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Sure, but what about a mag fed gun? Are you going to empty the mag to check them all? What we know as rec or comp shooters is different than what they do in movies.

I/you would never point a gun without the intention of destroying the target, and we would be sure of the target and what was beyond it, and we would treat the gun as being loaded with live ammo, so AB violated 3 of the 4 basic firearms rules from our world, but it was assumed that the gun didn't have live rounds, so we're back to where did the live rounds come from and how did they get into the 'Prop"?
 
Roc Doc said:
Sure, but what about a mag fed gun? Are you going to empty the mag to check them all? What we know as rec or comp shooters is different than what they do in movies.

I/you would never point a gun without the intention of destroying the target, and we would be sure of the target and what was beyond it, and we would treat the gun as being loaded with live ammo, so AB violated 3 of the 4 basic firearms rules from our world, but it was assumed that the gun didn't have live rounds, so we're back to where did the live rounds come from and how did they get into the 'Prop"?
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I'd be under the assumption that in a mag loaded gun the magazine would be empty or may contain 1 or 2 dummies and if I was expected to pointing it at a person and pulling the trigger I'd be damn well checking every round in that gun.

As for blank firing I suppose you're stuck with either dumping the mag and reloading it yourself or trusting the armourer but if they're blank firing there should be no one in the line of fire in case the BFA is ejected.
 
OllieNZ said:
I'd be under the assumption that in a mag loaded gun the magazine would be empty or may contain 1 or 2 dummies and if I was expected to pointing it at a person and pulling the trigger I'd be damn well checking every round in that gun.

As for blank firing I suppose you're stuck with either dumping the mag and reloading it yourself or trusting the armourer but if they're blank firing there should be no one in the line of fire in case the BFA is ejected.
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There are obviously holes in the safety procedures they use, otherwise this situation would never have occured, regardless of what channel the radio was on. :laughing:
 
Roc Doc said:
There are obviously holes in the safety procedures they use, otherwise this situation would never have occured, regardless of what channel the radio was on. :laughing:
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Exactly! Bunch :homer:'s all round.
 
OllieNZ said:
I'd be under the assumption that in a mag loaded gun the magazine would be empty or may contain 1 or 2 dummies and if I was expected to pointing it at a person and pulling the trigger I'd be damn well checking every round in that gun.
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There is no need to have dummy rounds in a mag fed handgun. The reason they do it with revolvers is because you can see the bullets when the gun is directed at the camera.
 
zlathim said:
There is no need to have dummy rounds in a mag fed handgun. The reason they do it with revolvers is because you can see the bullets when the gun is directed at the camera.
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Yup.

You can load blanks to cycle the action and make lots of muzzle flash which is more badasser.
 
zlathim said:
There is no need to have dummy rounds in a mag fed handgun. The reason they do it with revolvers is because you can see the bullets when the gun is directed at the camera.
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I could see a couple being in there if the scene called for the actor to partially open the action to check for a round.
 
OllieNZ said:
I could see a couple being in there if the scene called for the actor to partially open the action to check for a round.
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Or maybe to show a "full mag" befoe it is inserted in the gun. I stand corrected.
 
Roc Doc said:
OK here's two cartridges I made. One is a live round the other is a dummy I use to check chambers and processed ammo.

Which is the live round and which is the dummy?
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May just be the way you took the pic but they look like 6.5 Creedmoor. Bullets always look like they are going to fall out of the case.
 
I didn’t read all 8 hundred + posts, so I’m late.
In my world when you’re going to be operating any equipment you have to be qualified (certified) to safely operate that equipment. If you’re not trained and qualified and you hurt someone or yourself, you’re liable. Equipment failure could be a mitigating factor, but you’re still liable.
This guy is liable.
 
Roc Doc said:
OK here's two cartridges I made. One is a live round the other is a dummy I use to check chambers and processed ammo.

Which is the live round and which is the dummy?
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The one on the right is the dummy because its obviously been around for a while and chambered more then the other.... but i wouldn't put my life on that
 
2big bronco said:
The one on the right is the dummy because its obviously been around for a while and chambered more then the other.... but i wouldn't put my life on that
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You are correct as was Ex Wrench, but you obviously have experience with guns and ammo, but if you're just a guy that is good at making make-believe and doesn't have an interest in firearms outside of the set, then you might not know to look for that. My point is to the casual observer of the first picture, they probably wouldn't have come to the same conclusion as you, thus that's why they have an armorer or weapons master or whatever they're calling it on a given set, and that's why the actors put their trust into them, I don't agree with it with all the basic firearms safety rules that get violated, but that's how it is.
 
Roc Doc said:
that's why they have an armorer or weapons master or whatever they're calling it on a given set, and that's why the actors put their trust into them
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. . . and that's why Producer AB should have mandated that they follow the established protocols wherein only firearms-savvy folks (e.g., set armorer) should be allowed to give firearms to the un-savvy, gun-hating actor who chooses to handle guns to make his living (because his anti-gun principles don't extend as far as refusing to use them). Chain-of-custody was violated, and AB lives at both ends of that responsibility tree.
 
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