I'm sure that he's doing whatever his legal counsel is telling him to do. Lawyers that probably bill out more money in a month than most of us make in a year
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Alec Baldwin Shot a Lady
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It is well known his lawyers specifically told him not to do interviews.
He did them/doing them anyway.
How is that, "doing whatever his legal counsel is telling him to do"?
Well then maybe he's fucktarded.It is well known his lawyers specifically told him not to do interviews.
He did them/doing them anyway.
How is that, "doing whatever his legal counsel is telling him to do"?
Ditchrunner
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Maybe? I’m assuming you were being rhetorical there.
gt1guy
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Roc Doc
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The armorer for the film "Rust" has sued the man who supplied the ammunition and guns for the movie, accusing him and his company of providing a combination of dummy and live rounds. Alec Baldwin fatally shot the film's cinematographer as it was being made.
Lawyers representing Hannah Gutierrez Reed filed the lawsuit Wednesday in New Mexico, where the shooting occurred.
The lawsuit claims that Seth Kenney and his company, PDQ Arm & Prop, "distributed boxes of ammunition purporting to contain dummy rounds, but which contained a mix of dummy and live ammunition to the 'Rust' production."
"Hannah and the entire Rust movie crew relied on the Defendants' misrepresentation that they provided only dummy ammunition," the suit asserts. "In so doing, Defendants created a dangerous condition on the movie set, unbeknownst to Hannah Gutierrez Reed, which caused a foreseeable risk of injury to numerous people."
On October 21, 2021, cinemtographer Halyna Hutchens was shot and killed and director Joel Souza was wounded when a gun being used by Alec Baldwin, who was co-producing and starring in the film, discharged. Baldwin has claimed he didn't pull the trigger but that the gun fired when he pulled the hammer back and released it.
A musician plays a violin behind a photograph of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins during a vigil in her honor in Albuquerque, New Mexico on October 23, 2021. Hutchins was fatally shot two days earlier during production of the movie "Rust" in Santa Fe, New Mexico.ANDRES LEIGHTON / AP
The suit alleges Kenney had worked on another film shortly before "Rust" began production, during which he and Gutierrez Reed's father, Thell Reed — himself a veteran armorer — took actors to a gun range to practice with live rounds. Kenney then took the remaining live rounds, which included "reloaded 'live' rounds" with the logo of a company called Starline Brass, from that training session back with him, according to the suit.
"Starline Brass is a company that produces ammo brass casings, that can be made into dummy, blank or live ammunition by anyone with the knowledge and equipment to do so," the suit reads. "The company does not itself make live rounds. Anyone with access to the dummy rounds could convert them into live rounds with the proper reloading equipment."
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According to Variety, in an attempt to explain how live rounds could get mixed in with dummy rounds, Kenney had previously told investigators that several years earlier, he had been given "reloaded ammunition" that had the same Starline Brass logo.
"[Kenney] described how the company only sells components of ammunition, and not live ammunition, and therefore it had to be a reloaded round," investigators wrote in a search warrant affidavit, according to Variety.
In an interview with "Good Morning America," Kenney emphatically denied the live ammunition came from him.
In addition to accusing Kenney and PDQ Arm & Prop of supplying improperly labeled live rounds, Gutierrez Reed claims in her suit that she wasn't told Baldwin was rehearsing with the gun prior to the fatal shooting, and that the tragedy could have been avoided if she had been informed and been present for the rehearsal.
According to the suit, Gutierrez Reed wasn't present because she was also handling the job of key props assistant. The lawsuit claims that the church where the rehearsal was taking place was overcrowded, despite the set's COVID-19 protocols.
"Hannah told [assistant director Dave] Halls to let her know if Baldwin came back so that she could come back inside the Church and re-inspect the weapon and provide it to Baldwin herself as she had done every time before on set," the suit says. But, the suit contends, that didn't happen.
"Had Hannah been called back in, she would have re-inspected the weapon, and every round again, and instructed Baldwin on safe gun practice with the cross draw, as was her standard practice."
An attorney representing Gutierrez Reed has previously claimed "this was sabotage and Hannah is being framed."
The shooting is still under investigation.
Ted_Kaczynski
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Ammo I've seen most places can be open and individually inspected in the store. Maybe someone did an evil innocent switch in a store?
Still doesn't excuse the armorer or the trigger puller in my opinion.
Still doesn't excuse the armorer or the trigger puller in my opinion.
Roc Doc
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And as usual, the writer of the article doesn't know a GD thing about the subject. Starline only makes brass so someone had to load it as live or blanks, and IMO that should only be done by the armorer or people under the direct supervision of the armorer. Sounds like they sourced the ammor from another company, and either they mixed them up or she did. I highly doubt this was done on purpose as sabotage, but more likely just good old fashioned sloppy procedures.
Donk
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Any blank I've ever used is easily distinguished from a live round or does Hollywood use some sort magical blank that still looks like the real thing?
Roc Doc
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Was that confirmed?
trampas
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No.
The dummy is Alec Baldwin and blank is the space where the civil lawsuit check gets a 1 and a bunch of zeros.
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I was wondering this also, or are they making a dummy round that looks like a live round just minus powder. If so that's definitely a dangerous recipe for diaster given the idiots handling the guns. I could easily see a mix up but that is still no excuse for what happened.
I don't think we are talking about blanks in this instance, rather dummy rounds, which do look similar to live rounds.
It's my understanding that dummy rounds are supposed to have a spent primer (easily verifiable as dented) and a BB or 2 iside (easy to verify there's no powder in the empty, rattling case).
CrustyJeep
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Per this thread and reading about the situation, they were supposedly using dummy rounds, not blanks. Blanks fire, but have no projectile and don't look identical to a live round. Dummies look nearly identical to a live round, but have no powder or live primer. They usually have BB's of some sort in place of the powder so that they make a distinct sound when shaken.
CrustyJeep
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It says that right in the article you posted
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That makes sense but still relies on everyone that handles the ammo/firearm to understand how it works and what the difference is. As said earlier in the thread everyone on set should have at least some basic training and understanding of firearms just to be on the set.
Firstram
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You're joking right, you think allowing 100's of crew members access to weapons would be safer
Fully half of us are like carnies with teeth
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Not at all, I think you are misunderstanding me. I meant that everyone on set should be trained in the basics if a firearm is on set. Hell I think everyone in America should have this training doesn't mean I think everyone should own a gun. In my high school hunter safety was a PE class that everyone took. I think we need to bring that back all it has to do I save on kid right? Isn't that what they tell us.You're joking right, you think allowing 100's of crew members access to weapons would be safer
CarterKraft
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If the dummy ammo is undistinguishable from live ammo then I could see it very easily a live round left in pocket, holster, scabbard, etc. and loaded as dummy.
That's not a stretch to me having almost loaded 20ga shotgun shells in a 12ga from a left over round in the shell bag.
That's not a stretch to me having almost loaded 20ga shotgun shells in a 12ga from a left over round in the shell bag.
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So in other words the entire film industry does things wrong because they do not do things the way you think they should, and you don't think the author of that article knows a GD thing about the subject
Roc Doc
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No, as stated earlier dummy rounds don't have a live primer and no powder but a couple BB's inside so that you can shake it to confirm it's not a live round.
Roc Doc
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Your words, not mine.So in other words the entire film industry does things wrong because they do not do things the way you think they should, and you don't think the author of that article knows a GD thing about the subject
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Yes, someone has been paying attention. A tiny tidbit I just learned is that they used to use a regular BB but due to the sound guys complaining they now use a plastic bead which is quieter when someone is handling the rounds.
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You don't even know how wrong you were in that post I quoted but you have been talking out your ass in pretty much every post in this thread. You don't know what you sad that was totally wrong or why. I am not going to correct you, there is probably only one other guy in this thread who could, maybe he is more patient than I am with your ignorance. No one should pay any attention to what you say in this thread, are you this much of a know it all idiot all the time?
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OK you win.
Hmmm . . . 
if actors and crew aren't required to understand firearms, "maybe" the actors should only receive firearms from the set armorer or an authorized delegate (like actual documented authorization, not "hey Tony, go get the guns").
Oh, wait - that was already a rule
Carelessness paid off, unfortunately.
Also, I think it's horse shit that the almost-an-armorer is blaming an ammo. supplier. I'm no certified armorer, but I can tell a dented primer from a new one on my worst day. If she couldn't figure that one out, maybe she needed supervision
But it's not directly the armorer's fault if she wasn't even required to be on the set where firearms were in use.
That would fall on management - by my understanding, specifically the producer.
So, who's ultimately responsible for putting a loaded gun in that actor's hand?
<looks at org. chart for the movie>
if actors and crew aren't required to understand firearms, "maybe" the actors should only receive firearms from the set armorer or an authorized delegate (like actual documented authorization, not "hey Tony, go get the guns").Oh, wait - that was already a rule
Carelessness paid off, unfortunately.Also, I think it's horse shit that the almost-an-armorer is blaming an ammo. supplier. I'm no certified armorer, but I can tell a dented primer from a new one on my worst day. If she couldn't figure that one out, maybe she needed supervision
But it's not directly the armorer's fault if she wasn't even required to be on the set where firearms were in use.
That would fall on management - by my understanding, specifically the producer.
So, who's ultimately responsible for putting a loaded gun in that actor's hand?
<looks at org. chart for the movie>
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A couple of things about that lawsuit.
She said she did not know what was going happening on the set, she should have had a radio. Typically all the chatter is on Channel 1 and props may have been on their own channel, but on that small of a production she should have been on 1 she would have had no one to talk to on the prop channel. A camera was already placed and they were trying to refine B, they had been on that setup for at least a half hour.
She said she would have also come to set to show him how to do a cross draw. They would have practiced that away from the set, not in front of the crew.
All of the rounds, dummys and blanks come in sealed and marked boxes, I had heard the allegation about the mixed rounds being sent to set from the supplier, it is very difficult to believe but people a lot more knowlegable than me did not discount it. Then again they are competitors with that supplier within the industry.
To me the biggest oops in her lawsuit is saying she would have come to set and done a final check on the rounds, I don't know how she would answer if asked if she shook each round before loading them as is the standard industry practice.
I think her better lawsuit would be against production which forced her to wear 2 hats, Armoror and props assistant, maybe the current lawsuit is a precurser.
As I said before The Blame Game is sharply honed in the film biz I expect a lot more fun to follow.
She said she did not know what was going happening on the set, she should have had a radio. Typically all the chatter is on Channel 1 and props may have been on their own channel, but on that small of a production she should have been on 1 she would have had no one to talk to on the prop channel. A camera was already placed and they were trying to refine B, they had been on that setup for at least a half hour.
She said she would have also come to set to show him how to do a cross draw. They would have practiced that away from the set, not in front of the crew.
All of the rounds, dummys and blanks come in sealed and marked boxes, I had heard the allegation about the mixed rounds being sent to set from the supplier, it is very difficult to believe but people a lot more knowlegable than me did not discount it. Then again they are competitors with that supplier within the industry.
To me the biggest oops in her lawsuit is saying she would have come to set and done a final check on the rounds, I don't know how she would answer if asked if she shook each round before loading them as is the standard industry practice.
I think her better lawsuit would be against production which forced her to wear 2 hats, Armoror and props assistant, maybe the current lawsuit is a precurser.
As I said before The Blame Game is sharply honed in the film biz I expect a lot more fun to follow.