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Vaccination mandates on the horizon.

I can not find any legit info or source to answer the following question:
If a child does not want the vax but the parents want them to get it, does the kid have a right to refuse it?

I searched in a variety of ways, even clicking a random pop up pretext from a kid perspective that read "can my parents force me to get vaccinated", yet no matter the search terms, all results only come up with the point of the kid wanting the vax while the parents do not. Never in reverse.
 
I can not find any legit info or source to answer the following question:
If a child does not want the vax but the parents want them to get it, does the kid have a right to refuse it?

I searched in a variety of ways, even clicking a random pop up pretext from a kid perspective that read "can my parents force me to get vaccinated", yet no matter the search terms, all results only come up with the point of the kid wanting the vax while the parents do not. Never in reverse.

I just googled "children's right to health care decisions" and the overwhelming consensus is that children are only able to make their own decisions with respect to health care when they reach the age of 18, before that the right lies with the parents.
 
But that goes against everything he has said. Typical politician:mad3:

it just shows you, the PEOPLE have the power

but them again I dont expect that prison guards are spineless pussies, you know?

Also LA sheriff said he will NOT be mandading it or enforcing it for his staff. Said he cant afford to lose 10% (my guess more) of his staff and believes anything to do with health should be a CHOICE

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Dozens of US nuclear lab workers sue over vaccine mandate​


ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) — Workers at one of the nation’s premier nuclear weapons laboratories face a deadline Friday — be vaccinated or prepare to be fired.

A total of 114 workers at Los Alamos National Laboratory — the birthplace of the atomic bomb — are suing over the mandate, saying exemptions have been unduly denied and their constitutional rights are being violated by Triad National Security LLC, the contractor that runs the lab for the U.S. Department of Energy.

It will be up to a state district judge whether to grant an injunction to prevent employees from being fired while the merits of the case are decided. A hearing was underway Thursday.

The lawsuit alleges that lab management has been harassing employees and has created a hostile work environment. The complaint outlines the experiences of many of the workers, including one who was screamed at for not being vaccinated and was told by a fellow crew member that he and his family deserved to die.

The lab has declined to comment on the lawsuit and has not answered questions about the current vaccination rate among employees, whether any exemptions have been approved or what will happen to employees who refuse to be inoculated when Friday rolls around.

The plaintiffs include scientists, nuclear engineers, project managers, research technicians and others who have some of the highest security clearances in the nation for the work they do. Some employees said many of those who could lose their jobs are specialists in their fields and would be difficult to replace in the short term.

Some of the employees who are part of the lawsuit have worked for Los Alamos lab for decades, while others are newer hires who have relocated to New Mexico from other states and countries. Thirty-four of them are named in the lawsuit and 80 have opted to remain anonymous, citing fears of retaliation.

While the lab said last week that more than 96% of workers had at least one shot, it’s not known yet how many have received a second dose. Some workers have estimated that the percentage of those fully vaccinated by Friday will be lower.

Some employees have estimated the lab could lose anywhere from 4% to 10% of the workforce because of the mandate.

'No meaningful consultation' on federal vaccine mandate, union president says
“In any organization there are people, not always recognized, who quietly make the work of others possible. Lose them, and you are in trouble,” said Greg Mello of the Los Alamos Study Group, a watchdog group that has been monitoring lab activities for years.

The lab currently employs nearly 14,000 and is among the largest employers in New Mexico. It's also located in a county that is among the most affluent in the U.S. because of its high population of Ph.Ds.

Attorney Jonathan Diener, who is representing the workers in their lawsuit, said the case includes a wealth of scientific information to consider, but he was hopeful the judge would make a decision soon because people's lives stand to be upended.

The lawsuit cites statements made over the last year by top officials in the U.S. and with the World Health Organization in which they noted that there is more to be learned about how the vaccines reduce infection and how effective they are when it comes to preventing infected people from passing it on.

“The fact that the vaccines have only been shown to reduce symptoms of the recipient and not prevent infection or transmission is a fact extremely important to plaintiffs' claims," the lawsuit states.

Since the lab's vaccination rate already is thought to be high, Mello said forcing the few holdouts to get shots would make no epidemiological difference.

“If LANL doesn’t have herd immunity at this point, there is no basis for the mandate. LANL is not being scientific," he said.

Some of the workers have raised similar arguments, saying the high degree of scrutiny that is required of them when working with nuclear weapons or other high-level projects is not being applied on the vaccine front despite the lab's extensive modeling work for the state on spread and other COVID-19 related trends.

Lab Director Thomas Mason has said the pandemic has had a serious impact on the lab, citing higher numbers of COVID-19 cases in unvaccinated employees. However, employees who are pushing back said the cases among the unvaccinated would naturally be higher because the lab had removed vaccinated employees from its regular testing pool.

At Sandia National Laboratories, based in Albuquerque, all employees and subcontractors must be fully vaccinated by Dec. 8 or file for an exemption by Friday. Lab managers made COVID-19 vaccinations mandatory for new hires on Sept. 13.

So far, more than 88% of Sandia employees, interns, post-doctoral staffers and contractors at sites in New Mexico and California are fully vaccinated.

In New Mexico, nearly 72% of people 18 and over are fully vaccinated. That percentage hasn't moved much in recent weeks as more people are pushing back against the vaccines.

 
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I just googled "children's right to health care decisions" and the overwhelming consensus is that children are only able to make their own decisions with respect to health care when they reach the age of 18, before that the right lies with the parents.
Not doubting you, but doubting google. You sure it's 18? Is that written in law? Children have a lot of rights at the age 13. May not can do anything harmful to them like smoke, drink or get a tattoo but they are able to tell a judge where they want to live and it being the final answer. I know I went through that myself. I could only imagine the same for health care?

I couldn't image parents to be so evil but for them to be able to determine your health at age 17 is mind blowing. There's a tremendous lot an evil parent could force you to do at that age. And it only be for a revenge situation.
 
I just googled "children's right to health care decisions" and the overwhelming consensus is that children are only able to make their own decisions with respect to health care when they reach the age of 18, before that the right lies with the parents.
Or the school…
 
I just googled "children's right to health care decisions" and the overwhelming consensus is that children are only able to make their own decisions with respect to health care when they reach the age of 18, before that the right lies with the parents.
In NY in the early teens kids can get vaccinations, abortions, std tests/treatment, etc without parental consent.

Aaron Z
 
Well, it’s happened. My wife is now being forced to get vaccinated by December 8th. Her office is in Virginia. 100% telework with absolutely ZERO exposure to any co-workers.

This is not, never has been, never will be about safety and health.

I don’t even know what country this is anymore.
 
Well, it’s happened. My wife is now being forced to get vaccinated by December 8th. Her office is in Virginia. 100% telework with absolutely ZERO exposure to any co-workers.

This is not, never has been, never will be about safety and health.

I don’t even know what country this is anymore.
USSA
United socialist states of America
 
Well, it’s happened. My wife is now being forced to get vaccinated by December 8th. Her office is in Virginia. 100% telework with absolutely ZERO exposure to any co-workers.

This is not, never has been, never will be about safety and health.

I don’t even know what country this is anymore.
State, private, or federal mandate?
 
People have got to stop saying socialist. We’re a fascist country now.



Her company is a federal contractor. Probably zero hope of beating it.
Have an attorney write a letter stating that they are requesting private medical information and it is a violation of her right to privacy. Worth a shot.
 
Have an attorney write a letter stating that they are requesting private medical information and it is a violation of her right to privacy. Worth a shot.
Better would be get in writing that if there is any adverse effects of the vaccine it’s 100% on the company because they are forcing you to take it.
 
Better would be get in writing that if there is any adverse effects of the vaccine it’s 100% on the company because they are forcing you to take it.
The emails sent preemptively shoot those options down. Mine had a long memorandum that said my philosophy, personal, scientific, etc. beliefs do not matter. They and no one else is responsible for any future anything including that you aren't guaranteed to be safe from any illness it is supposed to work against.
 
Not doubting you, but doubting google. You sure it's 18? Is that written in law? Children have a lot of rights at the age 13. May not can do anything harmful to them like smoke, drink or get a tattoo but they are able to tell a judge where they want to live and it being the final answer. I know I went through that myself. I could only imagine the same for health care?

I couldn't image parents to be so evil but for them to be able to determine your health at age 17 is mind blowing. There's a tremendous lot an evil parent could force you to do at that age. And it only be for a revenge situation.

I'm not sure about any of the information I posted for the same reason you mentioned, Google.

I only posted to give Yota Up a different search term to try and use for his own research, which I'm sure he'll follow up on and substantiate.
 
How many pharmacies you think you need to try before an employee accepts $400 for filling out the card without the poke?
For cross state lines, you will need to self report anyways.

Yeah, I understand principle and all, but a huge swath of unprincipled people will fill in their own with minimal information, respond to no questions and never be audited over it.

Look at how many unprincipled people are pushing the mandates? Nobody gives a sbit about your integrity, they just want to see a card...
 
My wife does home health and administers the shots offsite...
 
Can she just mail it to us like ballots?
I mean that way is safe and secure. They proved it last election.

You knew this was coming


/Chicago Police Union Sues City Over Vaccine Mandate — Hours After Getting Slapped With Suit From LightfootThe police union's suit against the city, Mayor Lori Lightfoot and Supt. David Brown alleges they didn't properly negotiate with the union over the COVID-19 vaccine mandate.
CHICAGO — Chicago’s largest police union has filed a dueling lawsuit against the city as officials on both sides face off over a vaccine mandate.
Mayor Lori Lightfoot announced Friday morning the city had filed a lawsuit against the Fraternal Order of Police and its president, John Catanzara, for allegedly “encouraging a work stoppage or strike.” Just hours later, the police union announced its own suit against the city, Lightfoot and Supt. David Brown, alleging they didn’t properly negotiate over the mandate.
At the heart of the suit are disagreements between the city and police union over Chicago’s requirement that all city workers, including police officers, report their COVID-19 vaccination status by 11:59 p.m. Friday — though workers technically don’t need to be vaccinated yet.
Catanzara shared a video Tuesday where he urged officers to defy the mandate. Those who don’t report in will be placed on a no-pay status, officials have said.
Catanzara suggested the standoff could lead to half of officers being taken off the streets.
That amounts to an attempt to encourage employees to stop working or strike, leading to the Law Department filing a complaint against the union and Catanzara, Lightfoot said in a Friday morning news release.
“As Chicago’s mayor, I cannot and will not stand idly by while the rhetoric of conspiracy theorists threatens the health and safety of Chicago’s residents and first responders,” Lightfoot said in a statement. “President Catanzara has time and again deliberately misled our police officers by lying about the requirements of the policy and falsely claiming that there will be no repercussions if officers are insubordinate and refuse to follow a City and Department directive or order.
“… By doing so, and by predicting that 50 percent or more officers will violate their oaths and not report for duty, Catanzara is encouraging an unlawful strike and work stoppage which carries the potential to undermine public safety and expose our residents to irreparable harm, particularly during an ongoing pandemic.”
In comparison, the police union’s dueling lawsuit alleges city officials did not appropriately negotiate over the mandate, sending out information about the vaccination policy without discussing those terms with the union.
Those changes “have eroded the morale of the officers” and constitute a breach of the union’s collective bargaining agreement, according to the union’s lawsuit.
Lightfoot said Friday morning she expected a judge to hold a hearing in her lawsuit during the day, though she was not certain that would happen.
A Verified Complaint for Declaratory and Injunctive Relief has been filed by @FOP7Chicago in the Chancery Division of the Circuit Court of Cook County.
Still, the mayor has dismissed Catanzara’s prediction of staffing issues, saying on Thursday that officials “don’t expect” his estimation to be an issue this weekend.
Lightfoot said Thursday workers who don’t report in their vaccination status will be contacted over the course of several days, as the city wants to give them “the benefit of the doubt.” If they did violate the city’s rules, they’ll be placed on no-pay status — but they shouldn’t stop working until a supervisor tells them to do so, Lightfoot said.
Workers who do stop working prematurely risk losing their jobs, officials said.
“We fully expect that members [of the Police Department] will show up and, unless they’re told to go home, they need to report for duty,” Lightfoot said. “I hope that members are not led over the cliff without a parachute by anyone who tells them they can just ignore legal, proper direction.”
Lightfoot and Catanzara have frequently clashed, but their battle over the vaccine mandate has been particularly fraught with tension.
Lightfoot announced the mandate in August, and the Fraternal Order of Police immediately voiced opposition to the measure. Other COVID-19 safety measures — like requiring officers to wear masks — have also met resistance in the Police Department.
Shortly after the mandate was announced, Catanzara compared it to tactics used by Nazi Germany.
“We’re in America, Godd–n it. We don’t want to be forced to do anything. Period. This ain’t Nazi f—ing Germany, [where they say], ‘Step into the f—ing showers. The pills won’t hurt you.’ What the f—k?” Catanzara told the Sun-Times.
Catanzara later apologized for his comments, which were criticized by the Anti-Defamation League and other groups. Afterward, 44 aldermen voted to generally condemn statements that compare Nazi tactics, like the use of poisonous gas chambers to murder people, to COVID-19 safety measures, like wearing a mask.
This week, Catanzara posted a video where he urged officers to reject the mandate and not report their status. His comments were released the same day a former police union boss died from COVID-19.
Catanzara said he does not think the city should be able to require workers to get vaccinated, nor does he think officers should trust the city with their private health information.
The union president said he expects the standoff over the mandate could lead to about half of officers not working. That comes as Chicago is struggling with murders, shootings and other violent crime.
“If we suspect the numbers are true and we get a large number of our members to stand firm on their beliefs that this is an overreach and they’re not going to supply the information in the portal or submit to testing, then it’s safe to say the city of Chicago will have a police force at 50 percent or less for this weekend coming up,” Catanzara said in the video. “That is not because of the FOP; that is 100 percent because of the mayor’s unwillingness to budge from her hard line.”
Catanzara suggested that any violence that happens as a result of having fewer officers on the streets would be the result of Lightfoot’s actions.
But Lightfoot fired back Friday, saying Catanzara has “ruined his career” and “been sanctioned over and over and over again” for breaking rules.
“I do not want to see young officers who are doing heroic work follow his lead,” she said. “He’s yesterday’s news. I want these officers to think about themselves, their families and their careers.”
First Deputy Supt. Eric Carter said officers who don’t comply with the mandate can face discipline “up to and including separation,” or firing.
“For the department to get through this pandemic, we must do it together,” Carter said at Thursday’s news conference with Lightfoot. “Our job as professionals is to provide safety to the residents of Chicago, who we serve and protect.”
Four Chicago police officers have died from COVID-19, and thousands have had the virus. Dean Angelo, a former president of the police union, died Tuesday from COVID-19.
The information that people must submit to the online form is “very basic” and “not intrusive,” Lightfoot said.
Officers who don’t want to follow the mandate can leave the department, Lightfoot said. She said she is concerned officers refusing to get vaccinated will hurt efforts to rebuild trust between the department and everyday residents, as residents “have a right to expect that those officers are not gonna get them sick” when they interact.
“It’s an honor to be a Chicago police officer. And anyone who says, ‘We get to do what we want, when we want it. We get to have the kind of policing that we want when we want it,’ that is the kind of policing that has happened in our city for far too long,” and it’s why residents don’t trust police, Lightfoot said. “We’re not having that anymore. It is a new day in the city of Chicago.”
After Friday, all city workers who are not fully vaccinated must agree to twice-weekly testing through Dec. 31, at which point they are required to be fully vaccinated or they can face discipline. Workers can also apply for exemptions.
The requirement is meant to protect workers and members of the public with whom they interact.
“The health of our city workers directly impacts the health of everyone they interact with,” Lightfoot said. the mandate is about ensuring a safe workplace, “but fundamentally, it’s about saving lives.”
 
I just googled "children's right to health care decisions" and the overwhelming consensus is that children are only able to make their own decisions with respect to health care when they reach the age of 18, before that the right lies with the parents.
Except for abortion, or hormone treat for trans people, or any other agenda favored by the left.
Right?
 
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