Know when to hold ‘em know when to fold em

[ridered3]

My dad wants to see me in that 21 Bronco putting it on the podium 😉

On the response.

another option is to come to Tennessee and cheaply pickup the 6.4 powered truck my neighbor has to always have a backup truck/engine. Used to occasionally tow their 5th wheel that they sold a couple of years ago and has just been sitting in the driveway since then. Had none of the typical issues out of it for the 130k-ish miles on it.

Based on what you’ve shared, I’d think fixing the 6.4 and rocking out is the way to go as much as I love my 6.7 and had a hard time even typing that out about a 6.4.

From what I remember, try and get the the 15-16 without going to the alumiduty. Better turbo and injectors and I think there was something.

From a very reliable diesel buddy of mine. Avoid the 11’s through early 12’s. Late 12’s (like my F250) are good to go. In 15’ the trucks got an exhaust brake that’s better than just the tow/haul mode but not on par with the Cummins exhaust brake.

 

[YotaAtieToo]

The 6.7 psd exhaust brake is pretty disappointing. Chevy seems slightly better, but ram definitely wins. I don't get why? They're all just in the vgt turbo right?

 

[CarterKraft]

JR are you doing the work on these turbos? What else is the go to thing to do while there? Gasket type stuff, up pipe bellows etc?

 

[rockdog57]

I’m going to be the outlier here. My 01 ford with the 7.3 has exactly that mileage on it. I’ve done injectors,full engine harness, turbo, exhaust, up pipes and exhaust manifolds, built trans with all the upgrades. I just got back from a two thousand mile trip in my new gmc. Two takeaways. One. The ten speed trans is a game changer. Two it is way more comfortable not worrying about other components that aren’t rebuilt going south. Flame away!😜 I’m keeping the 7.3 for a work truck. It owes me nothing.

 

[YotaAtieToo]

I’m going to be the outlier here. My 01 ford with the 7.3 has exactly that mileage on it. I’ve done injectors,full engine harness, turbo, exhaust, up pipes and exhaust manifolds, built trans with all the upgrades. I just got back from a two thousand mile trip in my new gmc. Two takeaways. One. The ten speed trans is a game changer. Two it is way more comfortable not worrying about other components that aren’t rebuilt going south. Flame away!😜 I’m keeping the 7.3 for a work truck. It owes me nothing.

I'm in the process of Cummings swapping my 97 F350, making the "ultimate tow rig" as some would say.

However, you get in any truck made after about 2010 and it's hard to not enjoy the modern comfort, power, ect. Until they break and you can't fix anything your self.

 

[CarterKraft]

I’m going to be the outlier here. My 01 ford with the 7.3 has exactly that mileage on it. I’ve done injectors,full engine harness, turbo, exhaust, up pipes and exhaust manifolds, built trans with all the upgrades. I just got back from a two thousand mile trip in my new gmc. Two takeaways. One. The ten speed trans is a game changer. Two it is way more comfortable not worrying about other components that aren’t rebuilt going south. Flame away!😜 I’m keeping the 7.3 for a work truck. It owes me nothing.

That was my 02, it was just old, old shit has problems, naggy problems.
They are not show stoppers or unsolvable but where do you stop.

I'm sure know one wants to talk about it but how fucked will you (JR) be if this turbo deal happens on one of your race trips?
Some people have a vast enough equipped friend network to get a work around where others are the well equipped friend in their network (me).

Not saying a new truck releases you of that burden but it's a debate worth having

 

[JR4X]

JR are you doing the work on these turbos? What else is the go to thing to do while there? Gasket type stuff, up pipe bellows etc?

I’ll be buying the parts on my own and paying a proper shop to do the labor. I don’t have any way to lift the cab and don’t want to do it if I did have a way. This is one of those times I’m going to let the guy who pulls pickup cabs for a living do his thing.

 

[arse_sidewards]

I'm sure know one wants to talk about it but how fucked will you (JR) be if this turbo deal happens on one of your race trips?

Less fucked than you.

He can call in favors, borrow a truck get the trailer where it's going and show back up after the race with a Rockauto turbo to swap on.

You're at the mercy of the local dealer because warranty.

 

[JR4X]

Less fucked than you.

He can call in favors, borrow a truck get the trailer where it's going and show back up after the race with a Rockauto turbo to swap on.

You're at the mercy of the local dealer because warranty.

🤣

My truck messed up last fall when I didn’t have time to do anything about it. I borrowed a powerstroke to make it to finals. Borrowed a Cummins to get to KOH. I need to sort my shit out.

I guess if you’re lucky you can get the turbos off this thing without picking the cab up. But if you aren’t lucky you’re towing it to a place to lift the cab up.

 

[rockota]

That was my 02, it was just old, old shit has problems, naggy problems.
They are not show stoppers or unsolvable but where do you stop.

I'm sure know one wants to talk about it but how fucked will you (JR) be if this turbo deal happens on one of your race trips?
Some people have a vast enough equipped friend network to get a work around where others are the well equipped friend in their network (me).

Not saying a new truck releases you of that burden but it's a debate worth having

With quality of new trucks, you could ask the same question about a break down….

 

[CarterKraft]

Less fucked than you.

He can call in favors, borrow a truck get the trailer where it's going and show back up after the race with a Rockauto turbo to swap on.

You're at the mercy of the local dealer because warranty.

Let's be frank... You don't have a fucking clue who I am, who I know, what my abilities are or what mercy I'm under.

 

[CarterKraft]

With quality of new trucks, you could ask the same question about a break down….

Go ahead I have time.
His truck is currently broke and he had to borrow 2 trucks so far since it went down, because he doesn't have time, doesn't want to, doesn't have the knowledge to knock it out in a timely manner to the standard he'd like.

Do you want me to tell you about all my new truck break downs? I would for sure but I don't have any. I do have some epic stories about my old shit breaking in the middle of nowhere New Mexico and borrowing a car from a Mexican at a CarQuest to drive to Albuquerque Ford for parts. I've been there and decided I'd try another way.

As soon as you chin strappers figure out this is chess not checkers the better off you'll be.

 

[rockota]

Go ahead I have time.
His truck is currently broke and he had to borrow 2 trucks so far since it went down, because he doesn't have time, doesn't want to, doesn't have the knowledge to knock it out in a timely manner to the standard he'd like.

Do you want me to tell you about all my new truck break downs? I would for sure but I don't have any. I do have some epic stories about my old shit breaking in the middle of nowhere New Mexico and borrowing a car from a Mexican at a CarQuest to drive to Albuquerque Ford for parts. I've been there and decided I'd try another way.

As soon as you chin strappers figure out this is chess not checkers the better off you'll be.

You seem to be taking this personally.

He has 200k miles on a truck he likes that needs some work… while numerous “new” trucks sit at dealers waiting on fixes.

Crap shoot? Maybe. Maybe not.

 

[CarterKraft]

You seem to be taking this personally.

He has 200k miles on a truck he likes that needs some work… while numerous “new” trucks sit at dealers waiting on fixes.

Crap shoot? Maybe. Maybe not.

Definitely not personal. The man created a thread to ask the questions he has hinted about in other threads.

He's not doing the work himself, so save me all the grab a beer throw the parts on talk.

Do we really think they are going to do turbos on this truck for $5k?

My opinion is (he asked) that he spend time and money elsewhere (new truck or more reliable engine program) OR go balls deep on this one and check off all the 200k mile issues.

So yo to be clear my plan is to work out what JR wants to do to/with his truck and his money to get him the best outcome.

 

[rockota]

Definitely not personal. The man created a thread to ask the questions he has hinted about in other threads.

He's not doing the work himself, so save me all the grab a beer throw the parts on talk.

Do we really think they are going to do turbos on this truck for $5k?

My opinion is (he asked) that he spend time and money elsewhere (new truck or more reliable engine program) OR go balls deep on this one and check off all the 200k mile issues.

So yo to be clear my plan is to work out what JR wants to do to/with his truck and his money to get him the best outcome.

He has to do turbos anyway… even if he buys a new (to him) truck…. So…

 

[CarterKraft]

He has to do turbos anyway… even if he buys a new (to him) truck…. So…

For sure he does that's not really a factor though in the discussion right?
He COULD sell it now with out doing the turbos/actuators etc. OR he could fix it completely.

Any idea what this turbo job is going to cost?

New rockauto turbos are $1341.79 for both. Those probably aren't the best but they are new.
What's it worth with new turbos these days?

 

[rockota]

For sure he does that's not really a factor though in the discussion right?
He COULD sell it now with out doing the turbos/actuators etc. OR he could fix it completely.

Any idea what this turbo job is going to cost?

The real $$ equation is if (and he already answered this in this thread): value of truck as-is < cost of turbo replacement < value of truck fixed.

 

[CarterKraft]

The real $$ equation is if (and he already answered this in this thread): value of truck as-is < cost of turbo replacement < value of truck fixed.

That's the equation to get back to EVEN, not to get the next 20k miles of towing.

 

[rockota]

That's the equation to get back to EVEN, not to get the next 20k miles of towing.

Ok. You win. 👍

 

[CarterKraft]

Ok. You win. 👍

Well that was his question.. and I missed that its 20k miles PER year towing...

Time to make a decision between spending a lot of money or a ton of money. My PSD tow pig has 205k miles on it and needs new turbo’s. After 10 years of mostly trouble free service it’s time to either rehab it or replace it.

If I had to put a new engine in it I’m looking at needing to put about $20K into it to get doctored back up into the shape I want it in. Lots of things to factor in. Dumping money into my old truck doesn’t guarantee reliability. Spending money on a new one doesn’t guarantee reliability. This truck has been paid off a long time and I’ve been debt free for a long time. The brand new version of what I’ve got is in the low $70k’s range.

I’ve got my flame suit on and ready for every and all shit flinging. I’m a Ford fan and not looking for anything outside of the superduty platform. I put 20,000 miles a year on it mostly towing a trailer and I’ve got a 3 year commitment to uphold my end of bargain starting now. My old truck is a 6.4 so there’s plenty of meat on the bone to make fun of me there. I do not prefer the 6.7 over the 6.4 so there’s that, and I do not prefer the 6 speed over the 5R110 so there’s that. What would IBB do? Light me up, taking anything into consideration. PFA

 

[rockota]

Well that was his question.. and I missed that its 20k miles PER year towing...

Read his 3rd to last sentence again…


Edit: besides… we don’t get any good build content if he just buys a new truck. Think of the little people here!!!

 

[CarterKraft]

Read his 3rd to last sentence again…


Edit: besides… we don’t get any good build content if he just buys a new truck. Think of the little people here!!!

I am secretly rooting for the dumps $20k and goes another 200k in the "worst diesel engine in history" camp
Like he said though if you can't buy a new long block how can you be sure you are starting off with the good stuff you need for the long haul.

Every time they pulled the heads on my 6.4's they where cracked between the valves. Not sure if that was damage from DPF/EGR stuff or what.

 

[JR4X]

He's not doing the work himself, so save me all the grab a beer throw the parts on talk.

Do we really think they are going to do turbos on this truck for $5k?

That 3500 quote is pretty accurate for just turbo’s and labor. If I need up pipes or exhaust manifolds or anything I’ll be in the 5K range pretty quick. I’d be going back together with BD performance stock replacement turbo’s.

If it took much more than that I think I’d be tapping out on this one.

 

[Chzbrgr]

I had an '08 6.4. You can pull the turbos without lifting the cab. I did it cause the high pressure pump shit the bed. The exhaust bolts are going to make you wish you never attempted but it's doable. That truck was my most favoritist truck I've had since the first new one in '89. Deleted and a tune it was awesome. Got a gremlin that would shut it down/no start and it had to go away. 2015 6.7 replaced it. The stock 6.7 is not as quick and fun as the 6.4 but pulls loads up the big hills on the east coast better than deleted 6.4. My vote is for new turbos and a new pump while you're in there. FWIW.

 

[Gbkeith]

With quality of new trucks, you could ask the same question about a break down….

People put on rose colored glasses when they talk about the reliability of older trucks. They don’t compare new trucks to old, they compare new trucks to the old trucks that didn’t self destruct early. My granddad had a ‘90 Dodge that wouldn’t run right and then thrashed an injection pump before it hit 10k. Dodge ended up giving him a new pickup and the transmission was never worth a shit. There have always been junk vehicles. They just sell a shit load more pickups now that accountants and dentists require crew cab diesels to go to work and you hear about problems more now because of the internet.

My 2017 F350 has 278,000 trouble free miles. Did the front end around 215,000. Other than that just brakes and tires. This week I’ve driven 500 miles loaded 26k gross and 500 with the empty trailer at 15k. Last week I did a 400 at 18k, the week before that I did 250 at 30k and 250 at 15k. That’s been pretty typical since I got it in December of 2016. Before that I had a 2011 that I drove until 220,000 miles and then an employee drove to 340,000. It had a radiator problem under warranty and also a shift solenoid problem fixed under warranty. Turbo self destructed at 340,000.

I’m not sure what my point is, but people either get lucky or they don’t when a bunch of moving parts spin back and forth really fast.

 

[RusM]

Fix the old one or get a 2021+ to replace it.

 

[JR4X]

Hmmm

So I had a thought and followed up on it. Checked in with the service department at the local ford dealership to ask about wait times. 3 weeks before they can get any vehicle no matter who’s it is in the shop to start diagnostics. If it needs an engine, 6 months or more. If It needs a transmission it’s 3 to 4 months.

Having a warranty isn’t going to be worth a fawk right now.

 

[Mattafact]

Is a new crate motor off the table? Expensive but cheaper than a new truck by far.

 

[East_coastTJ]

Is a new crate motor off the table? Expensive but cheaper than a new truck by far.

Only remans that are suspect quality at best

 

[Aggie06]

Id rehab your truck. Im a huge fan of the 10 speed but ive seen some strange problems with new fords built during the scamdemic.

If I were looking, I would avoid models built in 2020 or 2021. They seem to have a ton of issues.