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Keep or replace my old POS?

  • Replace my old pos with a new pos?

    Votes: 22 33.8%

  • Fix and keep running my old pod?

    Votes: 43 66.2%
  • Total voters
    65
posford said:
$20k into a "$20k" truck that you know.

$20k into a new $60k truck thats realistically worth $40k, that you don't know and are rolling the dice on.

I don't know the right answer, I go in circles on this regularly, except more like $5k into a $5k gasser F250
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I don't see there being a market correction where they lower the price of a new $60k truck to $40k.

We are discussing a $18k-$20k engine...

Having said all that I did buy a new 2018 GM 6.0 long block for $4500 last year.
Makes me wonder what the 7.3 package would run on a takeout?
 
posford said:
$20k into a "$20k" truck that you know.

$20k into a new $60k truck thats realistically worth $40k, that you don't know and are rolling the dice on.

I don't know the right answer, I go in circles on this regularly, except more like $5k into a $5k gasser F250
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TrailTamer said:
and plan on to own and drive it for a long time.
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The problem is that $20k replacement engine has a reputation for not lasting very long.

Also, I don't think he was talking about a $60k truck, more like $40k for a 2011-2016?
 
Cameronswmp9 said:
. The above mention of a F450 is solid, and never have an issue with your load and being new, no 200K mile issues.
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i dont think that jr4x would be happy with a f450. the loads that he's currently pulling wont justify the gearing and the mpg that comes with it.

450 has good towing rpm at 60mph, after that its just winding up the motor. i want to say at 70-75 you around 3000rpm. an f450 offered something lower than 430s would be awesome though. better axles and turning without absolute shit mpg no matter what.
 
tracyb said:
i dont think that jr4x would be happy with a f450. the loads that he's currently pulling wont justify the gearing and the mpg that comes with it.

450 has good towing rpm at 60mph, after that its just winding up the motor. i want to say at 70-75 you around 3000rpm. an f450 offered something lower than 430s would be awesome though. better axles and turning without absolute shit mpg no matter what.
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This. My buddy has a 2012 f450 and struggles to crack 10 unless going 55-60 to keep rpm down. I’m 2500 rpm at 70 with a .71 OD and 4.88s. He’s like 2100 I think with 4.30s and a .67 OD.
 
tracyb said:
i dont think that jr4x would be happy with a f450. the loads that he's currently pulling wont justify the gearing and the mpg that comes with it.

450 has good towing rpm at 60mph, after that its just winding up the motor. i want to say at 70-75 you around 3000rpm. an f450 offered something lower than 430s would be awesome though. better axles and turning without absolute shit mpg no matter what.
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They aren't like that anymore. With the 10 speed and tripple OD the RPM is no where as high as it used to be.
I think its equivalent or lower than a 350 with 4.10 gears and the six speed. 75 is probably 2200 mahybe,

This is a 4.30 gear and 34" tires on the 10 speed

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All that being said, he already said he doesn't want a dually and I don't think he needs one if he liked his 6.4 for 200k miles.
 
CarterKraft said:
They aren't like that anymore. With the 10 speed and tripple OD the RPM is no where as high as it used to be.
I think its equivalent or lower than a 350 with 4.10 gears and the six speed. 75 is probably 2200 mahybe,
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its not that big off difference. final on the 6sp is ~.69 on 10sp .63
 
06h3 said:
This. My buddy has a 2012 f450 and struggles to crack 10 unless going 55-60 to keep rpm down. I’m 2500 rpm at 70 with a .71 OD and 4.88s. He’s like 2100 I think with 4.30s and a .67 OD.
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the one i travel all over in is the same era, 6.7 and 6sp. fully deleted and no matter if pulling 10k or 25k its getting the same mpg. i have never seen the truck get double digit mpgs. when i drive it pulling my trailer and toys i've basically come to the conclusion i can drive 60mph and get 8-9mpg or go 70mph and get 7-8.... and at 80mph its the same mpg as 70mph.... so i go 80mph anytime i'm driving.

(me and my friend with the truck have done a ~3000mi trip every new years for the last 5yrs, this is what i have gathered from these trips. this last trip i figured we would have saved around $3-400 in fuel if we had taken my 6.2gasser, be we would have been going 70mph everywhere not 80)

SLOWPOKE693 said:
If I were to get a new truck it would be an F-450.
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i assume it would be diesel... you really good with never getting better than 10mpg? i dont take you as one of the people that can travel at 60mph, i know i cant.

i almost, and should have, bought one pre covid. but i was also only looking at the 7.3 gasser f450. gasser and 430s are great. dont like that in a diesel.
 
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tracyb said:
the one i travel all over in is the same era, 6.7 and 6sp. fully deleted and no matter if pulling 10k or 25k its getting the same mpg. i have never seen the truck get double digit mpgs.




i assume it would be diesel... you really good with never getting better than 10mpg?

i almost, and should have, bought one pre covid. but i was also only looking at the 7.3 gasser f450. gasser and 430s are great. dont like that in a diesel.
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Not sure I'd bother with the diesel. My 6.7 service truck is great but that's only because I don't have to pay for it to be fixed when it breaks. :laughing:
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
Not sure I'd bother with the diesel. My 6.7 service truck is great but that's only because I don't have to pay for it to be fixed when it breaks. :laughing:
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My guts says he won't be happy driving a non forced induction engine.
That boosted torque rise is addictive as crack.
 
hmmmm maybe the friends f450 is 4.88? its a platinum truck bed model. i thought all that came with a bed where 430.


in any case, the gearing is too low for any hope of decent mpg. i wouldn't want diesel f450 gearing unless i'm over 30k going down the road. when i travel i'm 20-24k and i would much rather drive my 6.2 srw w/430 than a 6.7 f450. fuel costs are a little less and driving comfort is better.
the mileage jr4x got with his 6.4 i dont think he will see with any thing it could be replaced with. if i could get over 10mpg going 70mph at 20-24gcw i would take allot more trips. my 6.2 i'm getting 7-7.5mpg.
 
tracyb said:
hmmmm maybe the friends f450 is 4.88? its a platinum truck bed model. i thought all that came with a bed where 430.


in any case, the gearing is too low for any hope of decent mpg. i wouldn't want diesel f450 gearing unless i'm over 30k going down the road. when i travel i'm 20-24k and i would much rather drive my 6.2 srw w/430 than a 6.7 f450. fuel costs are a little less and driving comfort is better.
the mileage jr4x got with his 6.4 i dont think he will see with any thing it could be replaced with. if i could get over 10mpg going 70mph at 20-24gcw i would take allot more trips. my 6.2 i'm getting 7-7.5mpg.
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If its a 6 speed the numbers are worse.
 
06h3 said:
This. My buddy has a 2012 f450 and struggles to crack 10 unless going 55-60 to keep rpm down. I’m 2500 rpm at 70 with a .71 OD and 4.88s. He’s like 2100 I think with 4.30s and a .67 OD.
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Buddy has a 2020 f450 and claims to get upper (16+) teens when empty last time I talked to him.

EDIT... just doublechecked... ~17 mpg empty, claimed. In CO/WY area.
 
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My work F550 is 6.7/6spd and fairly certain it's 4.88. Most of the roads around here are 60mph and with the wieght I pull its great, gets up goes pretty decent from a start. I've done 70-72 mph and it's definitely getting up there in rpm, can't remember exactly, but enough that it's noticeable how much throttle you need to give it and how loud it is for being a 2019. Definitely would not be a good highway rig without either larger tires or taller gearing.

Mpg is shit no matter the wieght with the tall enclosed box. Usually 5-6mpg :laughing:

Unless you're hauling crazy wieght on the truck or have huge pin wieght, I don't see why a F450 would be beneficial. He also mentioned running around the pits and general truck stuff, hence the ccsb being the best do all.
 
My 6.4 never got the good fuel mileage empty that everyone wanted to claim who also had stuff dereted. But it didn’t do bad on the low end of mpg
TrailTamer said:
and plan on to own and drive it for a long time.
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i keep everything way to long.

I know people who buy and sell shit every couple years and claim they lose less money on everything. Get to grilling them about taxes though and they aren’t factoring the taxes into the equation. A brand new truck will cost at least $5,000 to register the first time.
 
JR4X said:
I’m just gathering data at this point but to have a new $21k cash into a high mileage truck is starting to look like the dumb decision at this point. Maybe it isn’t the dumbest thing I could do. I’m digging for options.
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Keep digging. Throwing $21k into another 6.4 is well beyond dumb. Nevermind trusting the rest of the truck with 200k miles on it when you can't trust the motor with zero.

Wasn't it Back Wood's folks who put a brand new long block into their 6.4 F450 only to have it melt down within the first couple thousand miles?

Chalk this one up to being one of the lucky ones who got a unicorn that went 200k, give it a slap on the fender and send it off to the yard.
 
CarterKraft said:
I think fixing it with anything other than the stock engine is gonna kill you in labor/time.
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I agree with this. And if you were to sell it, it would be like trying to sell a buggy you’ve built. You never recoup what you’ve poured into it. I think a fumins is cool but most people are going to run the other way on resale.
 
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