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Squamch said:
I just want you guys to know how jealous I am that you can legally defend your property like that. I know it's preaching to the choir here, but hold onto those rights. For fucks sake. Hang on to them.
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For my fellow snowbacks, this is what I have by the door. Tippman tipx CO2 mag fed paintball gun loaded with .68 cal nylon balls. Green laser pointer and flashlight mounted to the rails. Nom lethal but sure packs a punch
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Fuzzydog said:
For my fellow snowbacks, this is what I have by the door. Tippman tipx CO2 mag fed paintball gun loaded with .68 cal nylon balls. Green laser pointer and flashlight mounted to the rails. Nom lethal but sure packs a punch
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I get that you're in Kannuckistan, but my concern would be the guy on the receiving end does NOT have a non-lethal weapon. And he would be pointing it at me and shooting back.
 
No no, you have it all wrong. The .gov up here banned all handguns so I am totally safe from being shot back at with a real gun :lmao:

Seriously, you are right. Fortunately in my area the crime is typically just young delinquents or homeless checking for unlocked vehicles in the night. If any of those folks actually had guns they would be after bigger targets than the change in my cupholder
 
SomeGuyFromOlympia said:
I have a gun mounted light, and it was with me
I am trying to approach things as if I would want to be approached IF an innocent mistake was made

so...the juggle happened
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Steve300xcw said:
Only problem with that. Is then you are pointing your gun at everything. Thats not always ideal:laughing:
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I get that. If my option is to make someone else uncomfortable on my property or to put myself at risk from an uninvited guest on my property...

I bought a gun-mounted light.
 
JD Mark said:
I get that you're in Kannuckistan, but my concern would be the guy on the receiving end does NOT have a non-lethal weapon. And he would be pointing it at me and shooting back.
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identify and make consistent hits to the face, eyes, mouth, throat.

i know, wishful thinking, but still.

maybe cut a few in half, pack with rock salt, glue back together?
 
WTF? said:
my wordy statement is potentially better for being friendly with rural sheriff than ol' reliable:

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If they are coming because you shot someone, being friendly with them is the least of your worries.
But you do you.
 
Fuzzydog said:
For my fellow snowbacks, this is what I have by the door. Tippman tipx CO2 mag fed paintball gun loaded with .68 cal nylon balls. Green laser pointer and flashlight mounted to the rails. Nom lethal but sure packs a punch
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Are you allowed hunting riffles in Canada?
 
Texas97 said:
identify and make consistent hits to the face, eyes, mouth, throat.

i know, wishful thinking, but still.

maybe cut a few in half, pack with rock salt, glue back together?
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No need. The one time I did connect with a thief he limped the rest of the way down the street. And in my own testing, these nylon balls will put a sizeable dent in a 45 gallon steel drum from 20 -25 ft away which is about the distance I would be shooting if someone is in my driveway. It uses the small CO2 cylinders and you only get about half a dozen good shots before needing to replace it, so there is a lot of juice behind those first shots. One of the great features is you can leave a new cylinder in the gun. When the need arises the first squeeze of the trigger punctures it so you are always ready to go with a full charge
 
Bebop said:
If they are coming because you shot someone, being friendly with them is the least of your worries.
But you do you.
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being friendly (but still choosing your words wisely/carefully.) probably makes the difference between ' come by the station tomorrow when your lawyer is available', and spending 24-36 hrs in an interrogation room.

in my tweaker gun draw situation, I believe it would have been the drop by when you have time case based on my interaction with the deputies.

Another takeaway I also failed to coach the old lady neighbor who was pretty rattled by these goings on and hiding behind me in the cover around corner of a brick wall to not say shit to the sherriff except 'I was scared for my life' and 'we'd like an attorney', and hindsight reveals that probably needed to happen before additional witnesses or squad cars showed up.

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WTF? said:
being friendly (but still choosing your words wisely/carefully.) probably maxes the difference between ' come by the station tomorrow when your lawyer is available, and spending 24-36 hrs in an interrogation room.

in my tweaker gun draw situation, I believe it would have been the drop by when you have time case based on my interaction with the deputies.
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The lawyer who teaches concealed carry classes around here makes a point to tell everyone that even in self-defense (at least in California), you can expect to spend between $60k - $75k in legal fees for every time you squeeze the trigger. Obviously not something you care about if you're about to die, but worth considering in any other situation.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
The lawyer who teaches concealed carry classes around here makes a point to tell everyone that even in self-defense (at least in California), you can expect to spend between $60k - $75k in legal fees for every time you squeeze the trigger. Obviously not something you care about if you're about to die, but worth considering in any other situation.
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In a blue state, you'd better be in imminent threat of certain death before a self defense discharge. There are too many courts and laws protecting criminals out there, to risk life in prison for standing up for yourself.

My state's stand your ground and castle doctrine have been amended/updated in recent past in favor of the defense shooter, and my sherriff is quite pro 2a, i'm still avoiding pulling the trigger unless its for me and mine, The elderly neighbor lady and her house& contents were not up to my threshold of confidence i needed to risk pulling the trigger and not making my plans/obligations for that afternoon.

I also did not grab the correct caliber from the available options in the vicinity when i received the call while changing oil in a truck to ensure that there would only be 1 side of the story.
 
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Sandy Johnson said:
The lawyer who teaches concealed carry classes around here makes a point to tell everyone that even in self-defense (at least in California), you can expect to spend between $60k - $75k in legal fees for every time you squeeze the trigger. Obviously not something you care about if you're about to die, but worth considering in any other situation.
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yeah, the concealed carry assoc/ us legal shield is AAA for self defense discharge. close to but not quite as good as 'better call saul'
 
WTF? said:
In a blue state, you'd better be in imminent threat of certain death before a self defense discharge. There are too many courts and laws protecting criminals out there, to risk life in prison for standing up for yourself.

my state's stand your ground and castle doctrine have been amended/updated in recent past in favor of the defense shooter, and my sherriff is quite pro 2a.
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In all reality, I live in a blue state...Michigan.

Fortunately the commies have not repealed all the laws, stand your ground is still in effect.

And while my sheriff is a POS, and the prosecutor isn't far behind, the prosecutor most frequently sides with the person defending himself or another.

There have been numerous self defense shootings over the past few years where the shooter was not taken into custody that night and was never charged.

On the flip side, the dumbass did charge a cop with 2nd degree murder for shooting a POS thug in the head after fighting with him for several minutes. And the thug had the cop's taser in his hand when he died.
 
JD Mark said:
In all reality, I live in a blue state...Michigan.

Fortunately the commies have not repealed all the laws, stand your ground is still in effect.

And while my sheriff is a POS, and the prosecutor isn't far behind, the prosecutor most frequently sides with the person defending himself or another.

There have been numerous self defense shootings over the past few years where the shooter was not taken into custody that night and was never charged.

On the flip side, the dumbass did charge a cop with 2nd degree murder for shooting a POS thug in the head after fighting with him for several minutes. And the thug had the cop's taser in his hand when he died.
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mi outside of the metros is pretty light blue. Cali loves its criminals more than its lawful citizens.
 
WTF? said:
mi outside of the metros is pretty light blue. Cali loves its criminals more than its lawful citizens.
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Not light enough.

Whitler was reelected when a stump should have beat her. In the election I mean.

I would NEVER advocate violence against elected officials, especially when they violate the Constitution. :shaking::lmao:
 
WTF? said:
Cali loves its criminals more than its lawful citizens.
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Not if they break into my house while I’m home.


Penal Code § 198.5 PC sets forth California’s Castle doctrine. This is the legal principle in which residents are presumed to have a reasonable fear of death or great bodily injury if an intruder (who is not a family or household member) forcibly enters their home. Therefore, it may be deemed a justifiable homicide if the resident kills or injures the intruder in self-defense.

The full text of the statute reads as follows:

198.5. Any person using force intended or likely to cause death or great bodily injury within his or her residence shall be presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury to self, family, or a member of the household when that force is used against another person, not a member of the family or household, who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and forcibly entered the residence and the person using the force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry occurred.
As used in this section, great bodily injury means a significant or substantial physical injury.
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smurfblue40 said:
Not if they break into my house while I’m home.


Penal Code § 198.5 PC sets forth California’s Castle doctrine. This is the legal principle in which residents are presumed to have a reasonable fear of death or great bodily injury if an intruder (who is not a family or household member) forcibly enters their home. Therefore, it may be deemed a justifiable homicide if the resident kills or injures the intruder in self-defense.

The full text of the statute reads as follows:
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i don't trust ca's liberal law enforcement nor courts not to ignore and twist that statute to fairly interpret danger/threat (see: rittenhouse) and try and put you away for life until you get high up the appeals process.
 
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Bebop said:
Are you allowed hunting riffles in Canada?
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Yes. Complicated system with the turds new rules up here. Handguns aren't illegal, but you can no longer legally buy or sell them. Same with a bunch of rifles that are basically ARs and other scary stuff and stuff with big bullets.
But we can still have a bunch of stuff, and technically can defend ourselves, but it's effectively NATO ROE, get shot at, ask nicely 3 times, then answer with equal or lesser force type bullshit.

Unless you're one of the more equal class who get special cards to denote their higher "status" then none of the rules really matter.
 
Squamch said:
Yes. Complicated system with the turds new rules up here. Handguns aren't illegal, but you can no longer legally buy or sell them. Same with a bunch of rifles that are basically ARs and other scary stuff and stuff with big bullets.
But we can still have a bunch of stuff, and technically can defend ourselves, but it's effectively NATO ROE, get shot at, ask nicely 3 times, then answer with equal or lesser force type bullshit.

Unless you're one of the more equal class who get special cards to denote their higher "status" then none of the rules really matter.
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After shooting someone, do you apologize?
 
ApeEater said:
I get that. If my option is to make someone else uncomfortable on my property or to put myself at risk from an uninvited guest on my property...

I bought a gun-mounted light.
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In my state in this situation, I will be the party that will be most likely charged
Got to be real careful where you are poking that gun.

and I have been in this situation before, and actually a charge was attempted (on me)because I had the nerve to be at home minding my businesses as the repo truck and crew got the wrong address (I lived at a different place at the time) Although they did come to the door, but the mistake was when the three of them informed me that they were going to forcefully take my shit whether I liked it or not, and they (all three of them) were skipping over they part where I was informing them that they have the wrong house
they then were greeted with a 2A privileged US Citizen and the tables turned

note: I screwed up because they were the ones that called the police to get rescued :laughing:
 
You're on a private road right? Sounds like it's time to put a gate in at the public road.
 
RusM said:
Well at least one other person on the road maintenance agreement is having issues and your gate doesn't seem to be working that well....:flipoff2:
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You have a point
but....they are really trying to have an 'association' at the end of the road, and I will in no way be sucked into any level of participating in it. In fact the old fuck down there (the neighborhood Karen) has already tried to trick me into some shady paperwork that I still did not participate in. This would be a whole different thread :laughing:
....I have a gate:grinpimp:
 
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