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I travel for work and practically all I see is Trump signs. I said the same thing in 16. 2020 was a cheat plain and simple. If kamal wins its because they stole it again.
Depends on where you travel, and what the pop. density is there, but I tentatively agree on the signs. In the heart of California and I think I've only seen 2 Harris/Walz signs on lawns around here and 1 bumper sticker ever.
 
Probably in your circle because you are a closet never trumper just barely able to entertain the idea of voting for trump.

I travel for work and practically all I see is Trump signs. I said the same thing in 16. 2020 was a cheat plain and simple. If kamal wins its because they stole it again.

Trumpers think I'm a closet never Trumper and Democrats think I'm a closet Trumper and all I do is very openly tell people I'm going to vote for Trump even though I can't stand the bastards because the Democrats are openly avoiding democracy when it doesn't suit them and have adopted the foreign policy of Dick Cheney and Lindsey Graham. But because that isn't easy to put in a nice tidy ideological box, it breaks the smooth brains. :laughing:
 
The correct answer to "do you want Ukraine to win?" Is: fuck Ukraine and fuck Russia, my focus is on the United States of America and it's people.


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Same answer applies if they ask about isreal
The diplomatic response 40 years ago would have been 'We believe that democracy and that freedom lead to a better and safer world. To that end, we support democracy and the furtherance of freedom and the people's right to choose their government and direction.

I think you are absolutely right in what you'd want to say, but the cost to say it that way is greater than the momentary applause.
 
Agreed.

But that's for now. They just (or are about to) commission a carrier if I recall correctly?
have done I believe, but they don't need the carrier at the moment,

In Africa at least, they are projecting power through support, not force. There is a hospital ship that is visiting various african countries and offering medical services that are not available and are lacking locally. Sure seems to be winning hearts and minds. While the reality is the African countries are already slaves to their Chinese Masters through loans/aid/debt. Chinese Nationals in South Africa, Zimbabwe and Namibia all relate how they are NOT allowed back to China as residents, they are "forced" to stay in the countries to which they were sent. New Century, same old africa, same old colonialism, just Yellow masters not French, Portuguese or British.

The US has lost Africa, honestly lost it after Black Hawk Down, but struggling to understand that the Russians and now in the past couple decades the Chinese now own Africa. Literally or figuratively it does not matter, Africa is lost. And while African countries in general are 3rd world shit holes, many of them do have minerals that are highly desirable and not available to the western world.
 
I asked a very intelligent lefty friend at work. He said the male moderator was not impartial.

When I asked him about 100% of the factchecks going in one direction he said "sure, but it's because he lies more".

Why did you have to qualify your friend like that, only to go on and prove that he is not very intelligent at all. :lmao:

Anyone who can still back the Democrats after the past 8 years can fuck right off. They want to destroy the lives of Americans they don't even know.
 
I got to sit there with some anti-Trump, and some on-the-fence Trump people while I watched the debate. Dude bombed hard and gave them more ammo to talk shit when he could have shut them up.

I will vote for the guy and I cringed the whole debate.

It is strange that for a man with a reputation for destroying debate opponents, he was defeated first by a walking corpose and then by someone who had such low expectations.
 
have done I believe, but they don't need the carrier at the moment,

In Africa at least, they are projecting power through support, not force. There is a hospital ship that is visiting various african countries and offering medical services that are not available and are lacking locally. Sure seems to be winning hearts and minds. While the reality is the African countries are already slaves to their Chinese Masters through loans/aid/debt. Chinese Nationals in South Africa, Zimbabwe and Namibia all relate how they are NOT allowed back to China as residents, they are "forced" to stay in the countries to which they were sent. New Century, same old africa, same old colonialism, just Yellow masters not French, Portuguese or British.

The US has lost Africa, honestly lost it after Black Hawk Down, but struggling to understand that the Russians and now in the past couple decades the Chinese now own Africa. Literally or figuratively it does not matter, Africa is lost. And while African countries in general are 3rd world shit holes, many of them do have minerals that are highly desirable and not available to the western world.
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Trumpers think I'm a closet never Trumper and Democrats think I'm a closet Trumper and all I do is very openly tell people I'm going to vote for Trump even though I can't stand the bastards because the Democrats are openly avoiding democracy when it doesn't suit them and have adopted the foreign policy of Dick Cheney and Lindsey Graham. But because that isn't easy to put in a nice tidy ideological box, it breaks the smooth brains. :laughing:

No one cares about your ideological box. You fuckers give yourself way too much credit and are the ones hung up on ideology to the point you make an easy choice hard.
 
It's the economy stupid. That statement is as true today as it was in 1992.
Would have been a genius move to break out that quote.

I just don't believe they'd tip the scale in a true one person one vote unadulterated election.
If it were a true popular vote election, we wouldn’t even be talking about it. Trump loses, zero question. The electoral college is his only chance of making it into office again.
 
The equipment we sent to Ukraine was already bought and paid for. Our military will certainly re-stock its own supplies, while also gaining critical real-world use cases for improvements (in addition to seeing the capabilities of Iranian and North Korean weapons). Also occurring in real-time is an awakening of European defense spending, more countries joining NATO, and a devastation of Russian fighting capacity. With no American lives on the line.

I respect a difference in opinion as to what extend America should intervene in global conflicts, but the war in Ukraine is not as simple as "other people's war", which would be a label more suited to the ongoing conflict in Sudan.
China paid for its navy and they still have it.

So you think we should be defending a regime that canceled free press and speech and imprisoned political opponents? They were not a member of NATO. Are we supposed to pick a side in every war and spend money?
 
He's better positioned than in 2020 IMO. The Harris hype is 100% manufactured, as only 4 years ago she couldn't get 3% in the primaries. Now all the sudden she's going to sweep the electoral college because she's "not Trump". I personally don't buy it and yes I understand there are millions upon millions of people who hate the guy. I just don't believe they'd tip the scale in a true one person one vote unadulterated election.
true. but remember that Clinton bombed the first time he gave a national speech and couldn't get out of the blocks the first time he tried.

Remember that Jeb Bush was the anointed son, not Dub. Popularity can change pretty quickly given changed circumstance.
 
Except you were the one who brought up his ideological box in the first place. :confused:
That motherfucker is dumb as rocks. :lmao:

Dude literally brought it up. I replied specifically outlining my viewpoint and how it breaks the brains of dumbass political zombies and then his brain breaks on cue. :laughing:

People like that get all pissed off when Trumpers get kicked for being dumbasses but they're too dumb to realize it's their particular faction that makes those shots land.
 
Would have been a genius move to break out that quote.


If it were a true popular vote election, we wouldn’t even be talking about it. Trump loses, zero question. The electoral college is his only chance of making it into office again.

If it were a true popular vote of citizens, Trump wins , zero question. Because CA would flip red.
 
That motherfucker is dumb as rocks. :lmao:

Dude literally brought it up. I replied specifically outlining my viewpoint and how it breaks the brains of dumbass political zombies and then his brain breaks on cue. :laughing:

People like that get all pissed off when Trumpers get kicked for being dumbasses but they're too dumb to realize it's their particular faction that makes those shots land.

Bitch you are the one that brought up never trumpers. Just because you whine about the 2 party system doesnt make you any smarter or have any secret info on the system. 🖕
 
In writing in for Haley, because my vote for pres in my state doesn’t matter. But that was a compelling debate performance. In same way I cringed and clenched watched Biden implode, I laughed out loud about the pet eating part. I liked how Harris used the prosecutors playbook and sidestepping facts to try and goad the “defendant” to show the “jury” what the person is really like. It was exactly what I expected to happen. And it’s exactly why I’d want a composed, intelligent stateswoman like Haley to be responding. She could articulate conservative(ish) policy differences better than redirecting to immigration and eating pets.

Harris was vulnerable on the #1 issue Americans are discussing-- the economy. All Trump offered was conclusory statements about how he'd make it better. The time he was pressed on what plans he had, he said he had "concepts" of plans. Yikes.

I don’t think the debate will matter much, but it’s a critical media period which won’t be favorable to Trump. His best lines, which he saved to the end, was not hammering on whether people are better off now vs then.

All Harris has to do is play it safe, not make blunders, and avoid being painted into any corners. She did that, and Trump missed a chance to define who she and her administration really are.

Gun to my head, in a swing state where my vote mattered, it would be a hard choice. Harris is more presidential, but I still would want to see Trump’s policies be enacted. He’s the man on immigration, bar none. But seeing how he can’t answer the question of whether he wants Ukraine to win makes me think he’s too weak on foreign policy. Definitely a difficult task of separating the person from the policy.
After his first term. He's the last I'd label as week on foreign policy. Among the best from the past 50 years. At least.

He should've stated he tool office to 3 wars and ended them all, but he didn't. Oh well
 
China paid for its navy and they still have it.

So you think we should be defending a regime that canceled free press and speech and imprisoned political opponents? They were not a member of NATO. Are we supposed to pick a side in every war and spend money?
There is a separate thread on the war, but for now I'd suggest my stance is that we do need to spend money to defend democratic countries whose soveriengity is violated by an hostile nation, especially when that democratic country serves as a buffer between that hostile nation and our allies in Europe. Russia's war isn't against military targets, it's against civilians and civilian infrastructure. A frightening prospect to our allies. Ukraine's importance isn't its current regime, to be sure. Like others have said, they serve as a proxy military between Russia and our NATO allies. An enemy of our enemy, as it were.

Perhaps the next closest question would be Taiwan. Should we go toe to toe with China over it? To what degree should the US protect its interest in a vital geographic spot in a vital economic region? It would also serve as a forward operating base for China in the Pacific region, allowing them to project more influence eastward. I don't know the answer to that question, as I don't know enough about the region.

To answer your question, America, as well as American's, appetite for war has run dry. Fighting wars, dumping money, is not some sort of key to prospecerity or good times. But there are conflicts deserving of our attention, to the degree it protects or enhances American interests and security.
 
Homie better do a second debate. He doesn't want to end on that performance. Even if the debate is biased and the deck is stacked against him, he'll look a hell of a lot better if he just sticks to facts, stays on message, and stays calm.
He won't stay calm :laughing: Afghanistan was the time to be heated, rally size was not
 
There is a separate thread on the war, but for now I'd suggest my stance is that we do need to spend money to defend democratic countries whose soveriengity is violated by an hostile nation, especially when that democratic country serves as a buffer between that hostile nation and our allies in Europe. Russia's war isn't against military targets, it's against civilians and civilian infrastructure. A frightening prospect to our allies. Ukraine's importance isn't its current regime, to be sure. Like others have said, they serve as a proxy military between Russia and our NATO allies. An enemy of our enemy, as it were.

Perhaps the next closest question would be Taiwan. Should we go toe to toe with China over it? To what degree should the US protect its interest in a vital geographic spot in a vital economic region? It would also serve as a forward operating base for China in the Pacific region, allowing them to project more influence eastward. I don't know the answer to that question, as I don't know enough about the region.

To answer your question, America, as well as American's, appetite for war has run dry. Fighting wars, dumping money, is not some sort of key to prospecerity or good times. But there are conflicts deserving of our attention, to the degree it protects or enhances American interests and security.

Ukraine is not a democratic country. we installed their new government under obama. the Decmocratic country of Ukraine has imprisoned and persecuted christians and is nothing but a money laudering scheme for our elite rulers.

you say its worthwhile going to war to defend "democracy"? the last time that worked was 80 years ago. we lost korea, vietnam, bay of pigs, Iraq and Trashcanistan. you want us to go to war with Russia over the US political elites pet Ukraine? get fucked.

The stupid part is thinking that Russia is our "enemy". Why are they are enemy? what have they done to us? Dont say spent $100,000 in facebook ads in 2016.
 
I dont know what yall are all talking about. Trump is going to win. He didnt perform last night but that camel toe sucked ass as well.

That's some apologetic bullshit right there. Thanks for the insights. :laughing: One and done Donny is one and done. He's too fucking old and too emotional.

They're gonna' have to come out with a new model to reflect his new hair do.

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Perhaps the next closest question would be Taiwan. Should we go toe to toe with China over it? To what degree should the US protect its interest in a vital geographic spot in a vital economic region? It would also serve as a forward operating base for China in the Pacific region, allowing them to project more influence eastward. I don't know the answer to that question, as I don't know enough about the region.
Taiwan is the only foreign war I can justify. The island is extremely unique in that it's the center of modern microchip design and production. Best case scenario if China went after it they set the world back decades technologically. It would take decades to recover the loss of the foundries and manufacturing there. Worst case scenario if they somehow took it and were able to operate the foundries and factories it would radically modernize their military.

Taiwan has seen the writing on the wall and started moving manufacturing overseas to the US, but they're probably 20-30 years from really securing manufacturing capability on the same scale as what they can do in Taiwan now. Allowing the Chinese to destroy the manufacturing base, let alone take it over, would be a complete disaster for the rest of the world and especially the West.
 
is there going to be a VP debate, by chance? I haven't looked... haven't searched... spoon feed me.
 
That's some apologetic bullshit right there. Thanks for the insights. :laughing: One and done Donny is one and done. He's too fucking old and too emotional.

They're gonna' have to come out with a new model to reflect his new hair do.

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Has there ever been a more hated POTUS? Just curious. Obama? Reagan?
 
That's some apologetic bullshit right there. Thanks for the insights. :laughing: One and done Donny is one and done. He's too fucking old and too emotional.

They're gonna' have to come out with a new model to reflect his new hair do.

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Hey look another never trumper fag
 
Taiwan is the only foreign war I can justify. The island is extremely unique in that it's the center of modern microchip design and production. Best case scenario if China went after it they set the world back decades technologically. It would take decades to recover the loss of the foundries and manufacturing there. Worst case scenario if they somehow took it and were able to operate the foundries and factories it would radically modernize their military.

Taiwan has seen the writing on the wall and started moving manufacturing overseas to the US, but they're probably 20-30 years from really securing manufacturing capability on the same scale as what they can do in Taiwan now. Allowing the Chinese to destroy the manufacturing base, let alone take it over, would be a complete disaster for the rest of the world and especially the West.
I'd concede to that, my knowledge of the area is elementary at best, just a few articles I've read. Pretty interesting take, thanks for sharing.
 
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