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I was absolutely disappointed in Trump. He was far better in the Biden debate.
I can’t stand Kamala but I have to admit she was well prepared and did a good job.
He was the same at the Biden debate, he was just the only candidate that actually showed up then. The contrast was glaring.

This time, Harris showed up. His ramble about memes schtick didn’t look as good against an actual person.
 
So does she agree to another debate or not? I would think not because msm can keep this going forever, however without her doing anything I think people will lose enthusiasm and interest. You can only be told trump is hitler who will be a dictator as soon as he is sworn in. Look at how quickly trump assassination was swept to back page news.
 
So does she agree to another debate or not? I would think not because msm can keep this going forever, however without her doing anything I think people will lose enthusiasm and interest. You can only be told trump is hitler who will be a dictator as soon as he is sworn in. Look at how quickly trump assassination was swept to back page news.
The media will not let this lose momentum. There's enough sound bites from this debate to spread out over the next couple months.
 
And if Trump doesn't do a second debate, the media will tall about how he obviously lost and is scared.

It's all about getting enough people sidelined to make election fraud seem "no evidence" again
 
So does she agree to another debate or not? I would think not because msm can keep this going forever, however without her doing anything I think people will lose enthusiasm and interest. You can only be told trump is hitler who will be a dictator as soon as he is sworn in. Look at how quickly trump assassination was swept to back page news.
They're claiming she's already challenged Trump to a second one. It'll depend on the campaign internal polls. If either side thinks they have it in the bag there won't be another on.

I would say that hopefully last night would get Trump to actually prepare for a second one but that's highly doubtful. A second one would probably just look like a rerun of last night.
 
They're claiming she's already challenged Trump to a second one. It'll depend on the campaign internal polls. If either side thinks they have it in the bag there won't be another on.

I would say that hopefully last night would get Trump to actually prepare for a second one but that's highly doubtful. A second one would probably just look like a rerun of last night.
Yes and if he would just answer the fucking questions with substance instead of getting derailed he would control the discussion. Instead he blabbers on with “millions and millions, maybe billions” with no actual facts.
 
Yes and if he would just answer the fucking questions with substance instead of getting derailed he would control the discussion. Instead he blabbers on with “millions and millions, maybe billions” with no actual facts.
I hate that about his talking points. I wish he would tone that stuff down. It would look a lot better.
 
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All this being said... this is 2016 all over again. There is 0 chance I would vote for this corrupt specimen of a candidate the democrats have shoved up into place.
 
I asked a very intelligent lefty friend at work. He said the male moderator was not impartial.

When I asked him about 100% of the factchecks going in one direction he said "sure, but it's because he lies more".
 
Yes and if he would just answer the fucking questions with substance instead of getting derailed he would control the discussion. Instead he blabbers on with “millions and millions, maybe billions” with no actual facts.
This. I mean, she does the same but the moderators hammer Trump to specifically answer the question while acting like Kamala's ramblings completely unrelated to the question at hand were perfect. "

So, Kamala how about fracking?"

"Well you see, my values haven't changed. I'm committed to protecting a woman's right to choose..."

Thank you Madam Vice President while wearing a glowing smile like a proud new parent
 
Some headlines this morning:

Here’s what happened tonight​


This live page will soon be closing. Here’s what happened during Trump and Harris’s first presidential debate:
  • The proceedings began with an awkward handshake but otherwise went ahead relatively smoothly, in part thanks to the candidates’ muted microphones, which reduced interruptions.
  • Harris entered the debate with more to gain, and she arguably capitalised on the moment.
  • Her composed performance saw her land several blows, particularly when it came to Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election results, abortion rights and race.
  • Trump repeatedly sought to turn the conversation to the economy and immigration, repeating false stories about migrants stealing and eating people’s pets.
  • The former president also said he would not sign a federal abortion ban and refused to admit he lost the 2020 vote.
  • The Harris campaign swiftly called for a second debate. It also collected an official endorsement from pop star Taylor Swift, who commands a whopping 283 million followers on Instagram.

In a fiery 90 minutes, Harris frequently rattled the former president with personal attacks that threw him off message and raised the temperature of this highly-anticipated contest.

Her pointed digs on the size of his rally crowds, his conduct during the Capitol riot, and on the officials who served in his administration who have since become outspoken critics of his campaign repeatedly left Trump on the back foot.

The pattern for much of this debate was Harris goading her Republican rival into making extended defences of his past conduct and comments. He gladly obliged, raising his voice at times and shaking his head.

Americans should go to a Trump rally, Harris said during an early question about immigration, because they were illuminating. “People start leaving the rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom,” she said.

That barb clearly rattled the former president, as he then spent most of his answer – on a topic that should have been one of his main areas of strength – defending his rally sizes and belittling hers.

Trump went from there to an extended riff on a debunked report that Haitian immigrants in the town of Springfield, Ohio, were abducting and eating their neighbours’ pets.

  • Harris focused her early remarks on the economy, while Trump often pivoted to immigration and promoted conspiracy theories. The two candidates also had an intense exchange over abortion, with Harris saying women are "bleeding out" in parking lots and Trump sidestepping a question about a national ban on the procedure.
  • The back-and-forth at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia was riddled with false and misleading comments, including on job growth and a baseless claim about Haitian immigrants.
  • The stakes were high for both candidates heading into tonight's showdown. Harris, who entered the race just seven weeks ago, has had limited time to define her candidacy and win over voters. Meanwhile, Trump's allies had hoped he would stay on message and turn around what has been a rocky summer for his campaign.
  • Shortly after the debate, pop superstar Taylor Swift endorsed Harris. In doing so, she took a swipe at Trump's running mate, Sen. JD Vance of Ohio.

  • She explained her shift on fracking (“My position is that we have got to invest in diverse sources of energy, so we reduce our reliance on foreign oil”).
  • Harris was far more dominant than Trump, from beginning to end. She called him “weak and wrong,” inverting the political cliché that “strong and wrong” beats “weak and right.” Harris answered questions, then redirected and baited him on a host of issues.
  • She got under Trump’s skin – something he usually tries to do – by saying that people at his rallies leave “early out of exhaustion and boredom,” painting him as out of touch and a bad businessman for inheriting $400 million “on a silver platter and then filed for bankruptcy six times” and chiding him for being “fired by 81 million people” in the 2020 election and now being “confused” about losing.
  • Harris addressed policy, including tax breaks for small businesses and parents and touting her idea for a first-time home-buyer credit for down payments. She repeatedly said, “I have a plan,” while Trump was left saying, “I have concepts of a plan” when it comes to replacing the Affordable Care Act.

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Kamala Harris baited Donald Trump for nearly all of the 1 hour and 45 minutes of their first and potentially only debate on Tuesday night – and Trump took every bit of it.

The vice president had prepared extensively for their debate, and peppered nearly every answer with a comment designed to enrage the former president. She told Trump that world leaders were laughing at him, and military leaders called him a “disgrace.” She called Trump “weak” and “wrong.” She said Trump was fired by 81 million voters – the number that voted for President Joe Biden in 2020.

“Clearly, he’s having a very difficult time processing that,” she said.


Trump was often out of control. He loudly and repeatedly insisted that a whole host of falsehoods were true. The former president repeated lies about widespread fraud in the 2020 election. He parroted a conspiracy theory about immigrants eating pets, and lied about Democrats supporting abortions after babies are born – which is murder, and illegal everywhere.

He painted a dire picture of the United States, reminiscent of the “American carnage” he’d warned of when he was inaugurated in 2017.
 
I will forever ask any Harris supporters how they feel about supporting the devils own choice :laughing:

You may be right, I guess Bonanza is the ultimate litmus test for that. I don't think the general population Bush era republican will vote Harris, but if bonanza is swayed, it may be more prevalent than I think.

I could see it driving those people away from the pole, which is the same as increasing own turnout
In writing in for Haley, because my vote for pres in my state doesn’t matter. But that was a compelling debate performance. In same way I cringed and clenched watched Biden implode, I laughed out loud about the pet eating part. I liked how Harris used the prosecutors playbook and sidestepping facts to try and goad the “defendant” to show the “jury” what the person is really like. It was exactly what I expected to happen. And it’s exactly why I’d want a composed, intelligent stateswoman like Haley to be responding. She could articulate conservative(ish) policy differences better than redirecting to immigration and eating pets.

Harris was vulnerable on the #1 issue Americans are discussing-- the economy. All Trump offered was conclusory statements about how he'd make it better. The time he was pressed on what plans he had, he said he had "concepts" of plans. Yikes.

I don’t think the debate will matter much, but it’s a critical media period which won’t be favorable to Trump. His best lines, which he saved to the end, was not hammering on whether people are better off now vs then.

All Harris has to do is play it safe, not make blunders, and avoid being painted into any corners. She did that, and Trump missed a chance to define who she and her administration really are.

Gun to my head, in a swing state where my vote mattered, it would be a hard choice. Harris is more presidential, but I still would want to see Trump’s policies be enacted. He’s the man on immigration, bar none. But seeing how he can’t answer the question of whether he wants Ukraine to win makes me think he’s too weak on foreign policy. Definitely a difficult task of separating the person from the policy.
 
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But seeing how he can’t answer the question of whether he wants Ukraine to win makes me think he’s too weak on foreign policy. Definitely a difficult task of separating the person from the policy.
Funny how Harris can’t answer the question of whether she wants Israel to win doesn’t make her week on foreign policy.
 
Funny how Harris can’t answer the question of whether she wants Israel to win doesn’t make her week on foreign policy.
She was pretty clear. She believes in Israel's' right to self defense, but maintains it's important in how they defend themselves. She said that specifically, and it's a reasonable statement. Her administration's continuing support of Israel certainly speaks to that as well.
 
Harris completely lied about most of her policy positions based on past actions and statements. On the upside I don't think the US survives a Harris presidency so we can get busy on USA V2.0 sooner rather than later. Either way we are fugged as a country longer term. A global shitshow is brewing.
 
I don't understand why trump didn't hammer her on why she supports isreal...but didn't meet with Benjy N?
 
She was pretty clear. She believes in Israel's' right to self defense, but maintains it's important in how they defend themselves. She said that specifically, and it's a reasonable statement. Her administration's continuing support of Israel certainly speaks to that as well.
Yea, she made that clear several weeks ago when she couldn’t be bothered to meet the president of Israel.
 
But seeing how he can’t answer the question of whether he wants Ukraine to win makes me think he’s too weak on foreign policy.
The only way to end that war is to negotiate an agreement, that is the only way it was ever going to end. Russia is not going to run out of conscript cannon fodder no matter how many Ukrainians go into the meat grinder or how many weapons we send them. Trump is 1000% right to not commit to "wanting Ukraine to win" What does winning look like? Pushing Russia out of the territory it has taken since it invaded? since the 2014 invasion? Are we expecting Ukrainian troops to Depose Putin and Burn Moscow? It is a shit unspecific question and honestly his answer was one of his better for the night. Hey says he wants to end the war and the killing, a vague promise to support Ukraine until "victory" is a dedication to continuing this proxy war until the last Ukrainian is dead.
 
She was pretty clear. She believes in Israel's' right to self defense, but maintains it's important in how they defend themselves. She said that specifically, and it's a reasonable statement. Her administration's continuing support of Israel certainly speaks to that as well.
Funny how Harris can’t answer the question of whether she wants Israel to win doesn’t make her week on foreign policy.
I find it very telling how two people see the exact same exchange in totally different ways. That should be a wake up call for some people.
 
I don't understand why trump didn't hammer her on why she supports isreal...but didn't meet with Benjy N?
Because he isn't a deft debater. He is a master of the media, a master of appealing to crowds. But with no crowds, muted mics, a skilled opponent, and moderators who were quick to push back, he floundered bigly. He didn't lose in the way Biden lost, and this debate won't push the needle much, if at all. Trump's biggest issue from here is how he responds to what he will certainly hear about how he lost to a woman; a democrat woman.

His best lines, and most effective statement to the voter is whether they are better off now after Harris/Biden, or if they were under him. The flames of the culture wars have died down quite a bit since Covid, and the economy is the #1 issue. Trump should've hammered the point that under his administration, black/brown/etc unemployment was lower than at any point in US history (I think? Pretty sure that's true). I'm not a fan of Trump the person, but his administration had some objectively good things to tout.
 
In writing in for Haley, because my vote for pres in my state doesn’t matter. But that was a compelling debate performance. In same way I cringed and clenched watched Biden implode, I laughed out loud about the pet eating part. I liked how Harris used the prosecutors playbook and sidestepping facts to try and goad the “defendant” to show the “jury” what the person is really like. It was exactly what I expected to happen. And it’s exactly why I’d want a composed, intelligent stateswoman like Haley to be responding. She could articulate conservative(ish) policy differences better than redirecting to immigration and eating pets.

Harris was vulnerable on the #1 issue Americans are discussing-- the economy. All Trump offered was conclusory statements about how he'd make it better. The time he was pressed on what plans he had, he said he had "concepts" of plans. Yikes.

I don’t think the debate will matter much, but it’s a critical media period which won’t be favorable to Trump. His best lines, which he saved to the end, was not hammering on whether people are better off now vs then.

All Harris has to do is play it safe, not make blunders, and avoid being painted into any corners. She did that, and Trump missed a chance to define who she and her administration really are.

Gun to my head, in a swing state where my vote mattered, it would be a hard choice. Harris is more presidential, but I still would want to see Trump’s policies be enacted. He’s the man on immigration, bar none. But seeing how he can’t answer the question of whether he wants Ukraine to win makes me think he’s too weak on foreign policy. Definitely a difficult task of separating the person from the policy.
You're writing in for Nikki Haley? Hell, why not just write in the real thing? Dick Cheney.
 
The correct answer to "do you want Ukraine to win?" Is: fuck Ukraine and fuck Russia, my focus is on the United States of America and it's people.


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Same answer applies if the ask about isreal
This is why I'm still a "Bush republican". Geopolitical conflicts, and their effects, are never isolated in their consequences. Globalism is here, and has been here. I don't give two shits about the Kursk Oblast or the people who live there. I do care about how the encroaching of Russia impacts Eastern Europe, European defense spending, Chinese/Russian expanding influence in Africa/South America, global grain and oil prices, to name a few. All of those, and more, are being directly impacted by the war, and Russian success is not good for American interests. We want foreign nations to buy our planes; not SU-37s. The next time India has to put in an order for new tanks, we want it to be Abrahms, not T-90s.

You may be fine with the idea of America losing its place at the global hegemon, but I am not. Peace, through strength, as Reagan once said.
 
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Gun to my head, in a swing state where my vote mattered, it would be a hard choice. Harris is more presidential, but I still would want to see Trump’s policies be enacted. He’s the man on immigration, bar none. But seeing how he can’t answer the question of whether he wants Ukraine to win makes me think he’s too weak on foreign policy. Definitely a difficult task of separating the person from the policy.
Wut? How is Harris more “presidential”?

Is there any more room under that rock you live under I’d love to visit.
 
Because he isn't a deft debater. He is a master of the media, a master of appealing to crowds. But with no crowds, muted mics, a skilled opponent, and moderators who were quick to push back, he floundered bigly. He didn't lose in the way Biden lost, and this debate won't push the needle much, if at all. Trump's biggest issue from here is how he responds to what he will certainly hear about how he lost to a woman; a democrat woman.

His best lines, and most effective statement to the voter is whether they are better off now after Harris/Biden, or if they were under him. The flames of the culture wars have died down quite a bit since Covid, and the economy is the #1 issue. Trump should've hammered the point that under his administration, black/brown/etc unemployment was lower than at any point in US history (I think? Pretty sure that's true). I'm not a fan of Trump the person, but his administration had some objectively good things to tout.
It's the economy stupid. That statement is as true today as it was in 1992.
 
This is why I'm still a "Bush republican". Geopolitical conflicts, and their effects, are never isolated in their consequences. Globalism is here, and has been here. I don't give two shits about the Kursk Oblast or the people who live there. I do care about how the encroaching of Russia impacts Eastern Europe, European defense spending, Chinese/Russian expanding influence in Africa/South America, global grain and oil prices, to name a few. All of those, and more, are being directly impacted by the war, and Russian success is not good for American interests. We want foreign nations to buy our planes; not SU-37s. The next time India has to put in an order for new tanks, we want it to be Abrahams, not T-90s.

You may be fine with the idea of America losing its place at the global hegemon, but I am not. Peace, through strength, as Reagan once said.
Counterpoint is we have been at war damn near my entire life, and nothing is getting better. I have watched standard of living here drop while tensions escalate, and this is also fitting on the anniversary of a retaliatory strike against us for meddling all over the world and arguably the begining of the end of the United States global empire. We are in the brink of a nuclear war for one of the gayest reasons ever.

I do not support an economy based on arms sales and the wholesale destruction of human life, I support an economy based on trade and prosperity. You may be fine with a war based economy, but I have some morals.


Btw I enjoy your discussions and reading your posts on here!! I disagree with like 99% of it, but you put thought into it!:beer:
 
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