Current Events and Bible Prophecy

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What's it about?

I'm genuinely asking here.... I am interested in what you think Christianity is about.

I'm still learning what it is with an open mind. I can't tell you what it is.

Sure, there a lot of tenets that are sane and useful to live by that apply to every interaction in the World you may come upon, which includes people (close, or not), animals and the local environment you inhabit.

You have to pay attention with open eyes on every aspect. Including yourself, your internal perceptions of everything, and why you see things in a certain way, and why that may not be how things really are.

 

[Animalmother]

Unless you're trolling me, you, Sir, suffer from something other than Christianity.

Christianity is NOT about bringing people to some "person", historical, modern, or otherwise.

You've been VERY much misled if this is what you believe.

Bringing people to some person? You mean Jesus Christ? You mean like the guy the religion is named after? Yeah that guy.

Well you managed to fuck up what I said and still got it wrong. But yeah if I were trying to say what Christianity is “about” I would say a major component of Christianity is learning about and having a relationship with Jesus and sharing that with others. Not sure why you would consider that trolling.

All I said originally answering your question when you laughably accused me of some kind of psycho projection is that Christians view introducing people to Jesus as helping them. Not really a controversial or unknown claim.

 

[Animalmother]

Hey man, keep in mind there are folks selling Scientology, Judaism, atheism, and other religions with the same enthusiasm, urgency, and conviction as the Christians. So, when you complain about folks countering your proselytization, remember they may feel the same of the Christians. (e,g., "I'm trying to give someone the truth, and the Christians feel the need to butt in & undermine"). The less fragile you are about your beliefs, the more convincing you might be at selling your brand of religion.

****Muffin accidentally explained why he approaches this like a gang member - he's new to team Jesus and still somewhat insecure, therefore almost militant.

IMHO, flecker is the most convincing among y'all - well-read and devoted yet secure and mature enough to at least give the appearance of not looking down on those with different beliefs.

I hope it's obvious to the adults here (who are secure in their convictions) that this feedback is meant to be helpful rather than antagonistic. If you don't see it as such, that's on you.

Not sure why you quoted me and said all this but okay.

As far as complaining about someone countering my proselytization, ( I had to look this word up to even know what you’re talking about) you must be miss reading anything Im putting down because I could care less about any counter points to religion or Christianity. I was merely making an observation.

I am not under any delusions about trying to convince anyone of anything regarding religion. I dont have the right talents to be effective at that in a chat room.

 

[Roc Doc]

Awww MAN! [kicks dirt] [mumble]Congrat's flecker[/mumble].

Be careful with your preaching, there preach. I gave up reading your posts because they came off as too circular and too much as the self-appointed authority.

I'm sure you have an audience but its not me

 

[MuntCuffin]

****Muffin accidentally explained why he approaches this like a gang member - he's new to team Jesus and still somewhat insecure, therefore almost militant.

Lol, think so, lil buddy?

I'm very secure. I lived my entire life like you, lost and unhappy, resentful of anyone with principles.

Your damn fucking right I'm militant about it. Because I see the world for what it is. I see the dregs of society for what they are. I see the cultural influencers for the chaos inducing self worshiping behavior they propagate.

But yeah. Team Jesus! We get all the knarly weapons anyway, butter cup. Bet on that shit.

 

[MChat]

too much as the self-appointed authority.

I can see why you'd say that; I did start the thread(s) after all.

I know I tend to put a lot out there; it's one thing to pull that off in person where I have control over body language and tonality.

When it's just words on a screen, all of the tonality and body language are missing; since we've never met, I know that you're not reading this in my voice, but assigning someone else's voice to my words. Likely someone from your past that represents in your mind what a "preacher" is perhaps?

Or do you read my posts in Ben Stein's voice from Ferris Bueller's Day Off?

 

[dntsdad]

Be careful with your preaching, there preach. I gave up reading your posts because they came off as too circular and too much as the self-appointed authority.

I'm sure you have an audience but its not me

I am liking your posts Mchat. Keep em comin

There was a point in my life where I wouldn't have, but now is not that point.

People are free not to open the thread now that they know what it is about. If someone feels the need to walk into the church (this thread) and tell everyone how they dont buy what is happening, that really just reflects on them. Kind of pointless, but yet possibly a cry for help.

 

[ExWrench]

Lol, think so, lil buddy?

I'm very secure. I lived my entire life like you, lost and unhappy, resentful of anyone with principles.

Your damn fucking right I'm militant about it. Because I see the world for what it is. I see the dregs of society for what they are. I see the cultural influencers for the chaos inducing self worshiping behavior they propagate.

But yeah. Team Jesus! We get all the knarly weapons anyway, butter cup. Bet on that shit.

I can only give you the truth - whether or not you accept it is up to you - so here goes:
I'm not at all resentful of you, and I certainly don't think you're any more principled than I.
You're not insecure as a person, but you demonstrate insecurity in your spirituality.


Your militance toward anyone not in lock-step with you comes off as spiritual immaturity.
You see me as somehow "fighting" you by not thinking identically to you - that's a bit sad.
I don't need you to think what I do, so I have zero emotional investment in this discussion.

I've only put into this thread things not being considered, for the benefit of rational discourse.
If you want to attract others to your beliefs, consider flecker's example & don't be a punk about them.

He's lashing out like a child that doesn't want to believe what he has heard.

Despite how many trips he has taken around the sun, his mind and ears are still quite immature.

Probably a childhood full of narcissism to lead to an adulthood like that.

Every last assumption you put forth there is dead wrong. Believe it or not - IDGAF.
You often type eloquently and intelligently, so your childishness here is confusing.
No worries, I'm not pissed or hurt - I'm secure in my beliefs and ready to die today.

 

[Roc Doc]

I can see why you'd say that; I did start the thread(s) after all.

I know I tend to put a lot out there; it's one thing to pull that off in person where I have control over body language and tonality.

When it's just words on a screen, all of the tonality and body language are missing; since we've never met, I know that you're not reading this in my voice, but assigning someone else's voice to my words. Likely someone from your past that represents in your mind what a "preacher" is perhaps?

Or do you read my posts in Ben Stein's voice from Ferris Bueller's Day Off?

For sure there is something lost in the written word over the spoken word.

 

[Animalmother]

Be careful with your preaching, there preach. I gave up reading your posts because they came off as too circular and too much as the self-appointed authority.

I'm sure you have an audience but its not me

I disagree. Some of the best Ive seen. Reasonable explanations to common questions people bring up using scripture as support. Flecker is good as well as someone else pointed out.

 

[Roc Doc]

I disagree. Some of the best Ive seen. Reasonable explanations to common questions people bring up using scripture as support. Flecker is good as well as someone else pointed out.

OK fine, you're his audience.

Out.

 

[Animalmother]

OK fine, you're his audience.

Out.

Yet here you are.

 

[rockyota83]

I am liking your posts Mchat. Keep em comin

There was a point in my life where I wouldn't have, but now is not that point.

People are free not to open the thread now that they know what it is about. If someone feels the need to walk into the church (this thread) and tell everyone how they dont buy what is happening, that really just reflects on them. Kind of pointless, but yet possibly a cry for help.

says the guy fucking sluts off the internet, youre such a fine upstanding christian

 

[MuntCuffin]

I can only give you the truth - whether or not you accept it is up to you - so here goes:
I'm not at all resentful of you, and I certainly don't think you're any more principled than I.
You're not insecure as a person, but you demonstrate insecurity in your spirituality.


Your militance toward anyone not in lock-step with you comes off as spiritual immaturity.
You see me as somehow "fighting" you by not thinking identically to you - that's a bit sad.
I don't need you to think what I do, so I have zero emotional investment in this discussion.

I've only put into this thread things not being considered, for the benefit of rational discourse.
If you want to attract others to your beliefs, consider flecker's example & don't be a punk about them.



Every last assumption you put forth there is dead wrong. Believe it or not - IDGAF.
You often type eloquently and intelligently, so your childishness here is confusing.
No worries, I'm not pissed or hurt - I'm secure in my beliefs and ready to die today.

How do you define spiritually immature?

You see, sir, I have never been more convinced on anything in my life. The lies of a diseased culture away from God have never been more apparent. The lies promised by pop culture have never been more laughable.
And its all been punctuated by an event created to instill fear, paranoia, control, and evil. You may refer to it as the coronavirus pandemic and the response to it.

What you perceive as spiritual immaturity is quite the opposite. Its righteous anger.

And no attempted back handed ad-hom attacks will change that.
I'm glad you are confident and secure in your beliefs. I believe every man should be confident and content. I don't believe you to be stupid since you believe differently than me. I pray for the conversion of people like you every Sunday. God enjoys a good wrastlin'.

 

[dntsdad]

says the guy fucking sluts off the internet, youre such a fine upstanding christian

When and where did I say I was a "fine upstanding Christian" ?

I am not not have I ever claimed to be in the slightest.

I am curious. I go to church more Sundays that I don't. I have enjoyed reading this all.

I have never been baptized although I am leaning towards doing that.

I know that I feel better when attending church than when I don't. If for no other reason, that keeps me going back.

Not really here to impress you or anyone else not seek your approval.

 

[rockyota83]

When and where did I say I was a "fine upstanding Christian" ?

I am not not have I ever claimed to be in the slightest.

I am curious. I go to church more Sundays that I don't. I have enjoyed reading this all.

I have never been baptized although I am leaning towards doing that.

I know that I feel better when attending church than when I don't. If for no other reason, that keeps me going back.

Not really here to impress you or anyone else not seek your approval.

sorry i forgot the

im just giving you shit

 

[dntsdad]

sorry i forgot the

im just giving you shit

Well someone is putting those sluts from the internet in my path!!

 

[VEX]

Having read all the replies thus far I feel I can say this.

True believers in Christ don’t put stock in any mortal ‘man’ toward edicts said, taught, or espoused by said mortal ‘man’.
If one simply looks around at the perfectness of the World, they could, with some serious reflection, figure out that this isn’t just one giant accident.

You reach a point that you can attribute all of our World and existence to the works of a higher power. If one isn’t there yet, then there is more work and reflection for them to do.

So let’s assume it’s all an accident and we are here for no future purpose. We live this life and die into nothingness.

Why? What’s the point in that? (Essay response could be inserted here).

Now what if there WAS a reason for us to be here? You almost have to see the perfection that allows us to exist in this perfect space created just for us in our bodies perfectly suited for the environment.

The question then becomes; who did this? Why?

I think that’s the first realization people need to question before they can accept any outside ‘explanation’ from others or their own research.

IMO only, the modern Church is rife with disinformation and bad teachings by mortal ‘man’.
They are also not perfect. No mortal is.

We put trust in Judges, Presidents, Clergy, and any number of people who have claimed the status of authority, but why? And for what?

The Judge sitting on your child custody case has the high bench authority position in the court room but wearing shorts or sweat pants under the robe. He put his pants on just like you and battled traffic just like you, and got screwed at the gas pump because someone took the pump he waited for, just like you.

But this person in the black robe gets to hand down judgement on you like he’s above you.

My point is that no mortal person is above you and your God given right to free will. It may seem like that here on Earth, but they are just players in the same game you’re in.
They don’t have exclusive rights to moral authority unless you relinquish it.

The only person/being/power who has authority over you is the one that made you possible.

Don’t forget that. People who identify as Christian do not forget that. Every day.

 

[49willys_mogon]

Rev 18:17 In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin!’ “Every sea captain, and all who travel by ship, the sailors, and all who earn their living from the sea, will stand far off.


Container ship leases skyrocketing disfunction at the ports supply chain and distribution drying up due to stores hedging inflation by over stocking at today's price. We need to pass the infrastructure bill with vaccine mandates and loads of other progressive shitte to save the hour

Backlog Of Cargo Ships At Port Of LA Reaches Boiling Point

Few are more frustrated about the backlog at the Port of Los Angeles and Long Beach, than truck drivers in the chaos. They say that a trucker shortage is not the problem, instead the port needs to speed up their wait times and have more dock help ready to off load.

losangeles.cbslocal.com

 

[MChat]

Rev 18:17 In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin!’ “Every sea captain, and all who travel by ship, the sailors, and all who earn their living from the sea, will stand far off.


Container ship leases skyrocketing disfunction at the ports supply chain and distribution drying up due to stores hedging inflation by over stocking at today's price. We need to pass the infrastructure bill with vaccine mandates and loads of other progressive shitte to save the hour

Backlog Of Cargo Ships At Port Of LA Reaches Boiling Point

Few are more frustrated about the backlog at the Port of Los Angeles and Long Beach, than truck drivers in the chaos. They say that a trucker shortage is not the problem, instead the port needs to speed up their wait times and have more dock help ready to off load.

losangeles.cbslocal.com

Wow, I didn't think about that. Is the hour (which eschatologists say doesn't necessarily mean our hour) of destruction soon coming?

Are the 10 Kings getting ready to destroy Mystery Babylon (the Elite with their "Lilith worship")? Does the destruction of "Mystery Babylon" cause the destruction of "Babylon the Great" (NYC / U.S.?)?

 

[Tiha]

So out of curisosity, For someone who is currently studying revelations and prophecy.

Do you believe America is mentioned in prophecy?
And why or why not?

I have a couple ideas on why not, I don't believe it is mentioned. I don't believe it will exist as we know it.

Sorry if it was covered in this thread but I don't think it was.

 

[MChat]

Do you believe America is mentioned in prophecy?
And why or why not?

I believe that Isaiah 18 is absolutely about the United States and also believe that the warning in Isaiah 18 to the U.S. follows Isaiah 17 (the destruction of Damascus) for a reason. I talked about it in this post already: Current Events and Bible Prophecy

I also believe that America may be "Babylon the Great" who's destruction is mentioned in Revelation 18. I'm not 100% convinced, but it does seem to fit nicely. Also given that it is the U.S. from which the global elites (Mystery Babylon - Ashtaroth/Lilith worshipers) operate from, the two are distinctly connected, which fits in with Revelation 17 and 18.

Lastly, in the Gog/Magog war described in Ezekiel 38 & 39, the U.S. is one of the "young lions" of Tarshish (Great Brittan).

I also have been considering the possibility that the U.S. President is one of the "ten horns" (kings) of Rev 17. Also the beast has 7 heads (7 continents?) and in Rev 13 we read that one of the heads was wounded unto death and was "healed" by the beast. Some say that the beast is the U.N. / NATO and that the "wounded head" was Europe during WWI and WWII. Perhaps, or perhaps it is the fall of "Babylon the Great" (if that is the U.S.) is this "mortal wound"?

While it is interesting to theorize, one of my beliefs is to not get too attached to any particular theory. The nation of Israel missed the Messiah the first time around because they had read the prophecies and had certain expectations about what would happen and since it didn't happen the way they imagined, the leaders of Israel rejected Jesus as the Messiah.

Meanwhile the wise-men from the East and the disciples ("Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph." - John 1:45) both of which also studied the scriptures, but didn't have the same expectations as the Pharisees, recognized Jesus as the Messiah.

The bottom line is: study, research, understand multiple "theories" (hence the reason for this thread is to discuss such theories), yet remain open minded as to how these will actually be fulfilled.

 

[MChat]

"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." - 2 Corinthians 11:14 KJV
"No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light." - 2 Corinthians 11:14 NASB

Was thinking about current world events and how darkness seems to be spreading across the globe. The Bible says that Satan loves to appear as an "Angel of Light", perhaps this is the reason for the extreme darkness we are currently facing worldwide; so that when the Anti-Christ with his false light shows up, he will seem "extremely bright" in comparison and people will willfully follow him.

 

[Clemson13]

"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." - 2 Corinthians 11:14 KJV
"No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light." - 2 Corinthians 11:14 NASB

Was thinking about current world events and how darkness seems to be spreading across the globe. The Bible says that Satan loves to appear as an "Angel of Light", perhaps this is the reason for the extreme darkness we are currently facing worldwide; so that when the Anti-Christ with his false light shows up, he will seem "extremely bright" in comparison and people will willfully follow him.

Sure that hasn't happened already? People already are faking in like for some evil things pushed by the corrupt and are so certain in their light, that they want to force it to the rest of the world

 

[Tiha]

Sure that hasn't happened already? People already are faking in like for some evil things pushed by the corrupt and are so certain in their light, that they want to force it to the rest of the world

It happens all the time. Doesn't just have to happen once.

 

[MChat]

Sure that hasn't happened already? People already are faking in like for some evil things pushed by the corrupt and are so certain in their light, that they want to force it to the rest of the world

My litmus test (Matthew 24:24) is that even Christians (if not for the Holy Spirit) would "go along" with it; I fully expect false Christians to go along with it as well (I believe this is part of the "great apostasy" mentioned several times). I don't see that happening with the current situation.

What I do see is darkness running rampant across the globe and people looking for someone, anyone to come along and "save us" from the evil of this world. From my studies, this "someone" will be the Anti-Christ. And, for a little while, the Anti-Christ will establish peace, relative peace perhaps, which will be easy considering how much unrest the world has currently thanks to the last 2 years. Thus the reason for the darkness is so that the false light of the Anti-Christ seems so bright.

Look at how "Christians" practically worshipped Trump and all he ever actually accomplished was talking about going after the "Deep State". Imagine someone that actually takes down the "Deep State" / NWO, how would that person be viewed by the majority of the population, including Christians?

 

[MChat]

One of the thoughts I had yesterday is that the war spoken of in Ezekiel 38-39 could easily be mistaken for the battle of Armageddon; perhaps this is the Anti-Christ's beginning. The Bible makes it clear that God steps in to save Israel in Ezekiel 38-39, but it could be that the Anti-Christ comes riding in and takes credit for it, claiming that battle was the battle of Armageddon and he is "Christ" returned to establish his earthly kingdom. This would definitely be a deception that "even the elect, if it were possible" would fall for.

 

[Thumping]

One of the thoughts I had yesterday is that the war spoken of in Ezekiel 38-39 could easily be mistaken for the battle of Armageddon; perhaps this is the Anti-Christ's beginning. The Bible makes it clear that God steps in to save Israel in Ezekiel 38-39, but it could be that the Anti-Christ comes riding in and takes credit for it, claiming that battle was the battle of Armageddon and he is "Christ" returned to establish his earthly kingdom. This would definitely be a deception that "even the elect, if it were possible" would fall for.

I'm going to have to disagree. Personally I think when Christ makes his return, there will be no doubt of whom he is. I get and understand the anti-Christ but I don't see Christ's return being confusing for those that know what to look for.

Will the anti-Christ be able to seeming preform Christ like miracles? More than likely, yes. Will they be versed in scripture? Without a doubt.

But until I see the eastern skies roll back as a scroll and Christ descending, yeah I'm taking a pass.

So personally, I don't think there will be any doubt when that time comes.

That is however just my opinion and I'm certainly no scholar.

 

[FleshEater]

My litmus test (Matthew 24:24) is that even Christians (if not for the Holy Spirit) would "go along" with it; I fully expect false Christians to go along with it as well (I believe this is part of the "great apostasy" mentioned several times). I don't see that happening with the current situation.

What I do see is darkness running rampant across the globe and people looking for someone, anyone to come along and "save us" from the evil of this world. From my studies, this "someone" will be the Anti-Christ. And, for a little while, the Anti-Christ will establish peace, relative peace perhaps, which will be easy considering how much unrest the world has currently thanks to the last 2 years. Thus the reason for the darkness is so that the false light of the Anti-Christ seems so bright.

Look at how "Christians" practically worshipped Trump and all he ever actually accomplished was talking about going after the "Deep State". Imagine someone that actually takes down the "Deep State" / NWO, how would that person be viewed by the majority of the population, including Christians?

Actually, or “Actually?” Because we only know based on the lies and misinformation we’re all fed...

 

[MChat]

Actually, or “Actually?” Because we only know based on the lies and misinformation we’re all fed...

When it comes to the Deep State, it was apparently all talk, unless any of this "Q-Anon" stuff is real and he is "waiting for the right moment" to return. Is it possible this is the "mortal wound" that was "healed"? Too soon to say. While I like most of what Trump did while he was in office, he still fell short when it came to "draining the swamp." I am also not ruling him out as the AC, or at least one of the "ten kings who ... receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour" (Rev 17:12)

Personally I think it will be someone other than Trump, but I do use Trump as an example of how "Christians" worshipped him. If so many people who consider themselves to be Christian would worship Trump like that, then what will they do when the real Anti-Christ shows up and destroys the so-called Cabal? ("And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore [the Cabal], and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire." - Rev 17:16)