Current Events and Bible Prophecy

[MChat]

I'm going to have to disagree. Personally I think when Christ makes his return, there will be no doubt of whom he is. I get and understand the anti-Christ but I don't see Christ's return being confusing for those that know what to look for.

Will the anti-Christ be able to seeming preform Christ like miracles? More than likely, yes. Will they be versed in scripture? Without a doubt.

But until I see the eastern skies roll back as a scroll and Christ descending, yeah I'm taking a pass.

So personally, I don't think there will be any doubt when that time comes.

That is however just my opinion and I'm certainly no scholar.

Your words have wisdom: the wisdom of the elect. Which is why the elect will not be deceived: we know what to look for (I also believe the Holy Spirit will clue us in as well) and when the Anti-Christ shows up on the scene, we (the elect) will reject him, knowing he is not the Messiah.

However, there are a multitude of people who consider themselves to be Christian, that do not truly have faith in Jesus. If you canvassed this entire country, you'd probably find that 80-85% consider themselves to be "Christian", yet less than a third of them attend church on even a semi-regular basis (not that attending church makes you a Christian, but it is evidence that one is following Christ as they desire to "be around" other Christians). I've heard it said that if we seriously consider what the Bible teaches that probably less than 5% of people who call themselves Christians (in this country anyway) truly are.

Many (most?) of THOSE "Christians" will follow the Anti-Christ because a) they have not the wisdom that comes from studying the scriptures and b) they do not have the Holy Spirit guiding them.

Does that clarify what I meant?

 

[Thumping]

Your words have wisdom: the wisdom of the elect. Which is why the elect will not be deceived: we know what to look for (I also believe the Holy Spirit will clue us in as well) and when the Anti-Christ shows up on the scene, we (the elect) will reject him, knowing he is not the Messiah.

However, there are a multitude of people who consider themselves to be Christian, that do not truly have faith in Jesus. If you canvassed this entire country, you'd probably find that 80-85% consider themselves to be "Christian", yet less than a third of them attend church on even a semi-regular basis (not that attending church makes you a Christian, but it is evidence that one is following Christ as they desire to "be around" other Christians). I've heard it said that if we seriously consider what the Bible teaches that probably less than 5% of people who call themselves Christians (in this country anyway) truly are.

Many (most?) of THOSE "Christians" will follow the Anti-Christ because a) they have not the wisdom that comes from studying the scriptures and b) they do not have the Holy Spirit guiding them.

Does that clarify what I meant?

Yes, and I agree, partly. I myself do not attend church. Why? Because every church I've been to after awhile I start to see the politics within the church...and I may be alot of things but my hypocrisy only goes so far.

Am I a Christian? To me, yes. To others, maybe not but I honestly do not care what others think and or believe. As I've said before, I hope my name is written and Christ knows my name. Have I been saved? Yes.

But back to the church, exactly what is "church"? Is it a temple? Building? Or is it my heart?

I was raised in a very small country church, those don't seem to be around anymore. Everything is about the latest in technology, building bigger, bigger congregations...and more money. To me, that's not God's will but mans. I want no part of it.

I'd rather be in a church with no air conditioning, a leaky roof and hard wood seats and know that the money the church collects go to benefit the community the church is within. Not building a palace. I don't think our Lord cares what or where the place is that we worship him in.

Here again, this is only my opinion. I've not been called to preach and I don't claim to be a shinning light of what a Christian should be. But I know my heart and I've read what I believe to be the truth (to a point as I also understand that what I've read was interpreted by man).

As for today, yes I do believe there is a time to fight...and kill. I'm sure David prayed but eventually he picked up that stone and faced the overwhelming odds. Is that time now? I don't know but I feel when that time does come, those of us tasked with picking up that stone will know.

Okay, off my soap box...

 

[MChat]

But back to the church, exactly what is "church"? Is it a temple? Building? Or is it my heart?

Definitely. The church is the true believers, not the building and not even "everyone who attends" the church.

I hope you understood that I was only using church attendance as an example; there's a lot of people who consider themselves to be Christian, but never even really checked out the local churches before deciding not to attend; it's not that they "see the politics" they simply have no desire to be involved in the things of God.

Meanwhile I completely agree with the sentiment that it is getting harder and harder to find a church that isn't playing to the people that are "after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears." And with time running so short, there are too many churches that are teaching the false doctrine of the pre-tribulation rapture; they keep telling people not to worry "you won't be here when that happens" instead of preparing them for the harsh reality of what is to come. Personally I think that doctrine is part of the end-time deception.

My wife and I are moving to a small town, and we will be checking out the local churches. At this point, if we can't find one that teaches the truth based on solid Biblical principles, then we'll likely start one. My desire is to fellowship with fellow believers and to teach/preach the truth, even if nobody listens.

 

[Thumping]

Definitely. The church is the true believers, not the building and not even "everyone who attends" the church.

I hope you understood that I was only using church attendance as an example; there's a lot of people who consider themselves to be Christian, but never even really checked out the local churches before deciding not to attend; it's not that they "see the politics" they simply have no desire to be involved in the things of God.

Meanwhile I completely agree with the sentiment that it is getting harder and harder to find a church that isn't playing to the people that are "after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears." And with time running so short, there are too many churches that are teaching the false doctrine of the pre-tribulation rapture; they keep telling people not to worry "you won't be here when that happens" instead of preparing them for the harsh reality of what is to come. Personally I think that doctrine is part of the end-time deception.

My wife and I are moving to a small town, and we will be checking out the local churches. At this point, if we can't find one that teaches the truth based on solid Biblical principles, then we'll likely start one. My desire is to fellowship with fellow believers and to teach/preach the truth, even if nobody listens.

Wish you the best...

 

[Tiha]

I guess I see the anti christ as someone able to unite almost everyone.

That is certainly not trump. Not sure what I think about your saying christians worship him.

I am a christian and I certainly don't worship him, he has his flaws, I actually don't even believe he is a Godly man, but I do think he was a far better choice for the christian way of life compared to anyone presented to us lately.

But then my first choice would have been Mike huckabee, but we all know he is way to radical to ever get elected president.

 

[MChat]

That is certainly not trump. Not sure what I think about your saying christians worship him.

It is stuff like this that I am referring to:

I saw a lot of "Christians" put more faith and trust in Trump to save this country than in God; in my hallucination, that is worship.

 

[FleshEater]

Definitely. The church is the true believers, not the building and not even "everyone who attends" the church.

I hope you understood that I was only using church attendance as an example; there's a lot of people who consider themselves to be Christian, but never even really checked out the local churches before deciding not to attend; it's not that they "see the politics" they simply have no desire to be involved in the things of God.

Meanwhile I completely agree with the sentiment that it is getting harder and harder to find a church that isn't playing to the people that are "after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears." And with time running so short, there are too many churches that are teaching the false doctrine of the pre-tribulation rapture; they keep telling people not to worry "you won't be here when that happens" instead of preparing them for the harsh reality of what is to come. Personally I think that doctrine is part of the end-time deception.

My wife and I are moving to a small town, and we will be checking out the local churches. At this point, if we can't find one that teaches the truth based on solid Biblical principles, then we'll likely start one. My desire is to fellowship with fellow believers and to teach/preach the truth, even if nobody listens.

I also don’t attend, but watch a lot of sermons from people like Charles Stanley on YouTube. We have a friend of the family who is a pastor and we listened to his last Sunday.

In speaking with him they turned two large rooms of their church into a yard sale. People drop off stuff. If anyone needs anything they’re welcome to it. Donations are welcome. The church is so broke, but every month they somehow keep enough money coming in to keep it running.

If more churches were like that, more people would probably attend. Nothing fancy. No paid pastors, etc. Just down to earth, helping the needy. Seems most churches get huge and don’t do as much locally, or they stay small and never get much done other than preaching to same crowd every Sunday.

 

[Animalmother]

It is stuff like this that I am referring to:

I saw a lot of "Christians" put more faith and trust in Trump to save this country than in God; in my hallucination, that is worship.

I dont consider a meme as evidence for anything past what 1 person believes as anyone can make a meme in 2 seconds.

In any case there was video floating around of groups of people literally praying to obama. I havent seen any organized mass worshiping of Trump like that.

 

[MChat]

I dont consider a meme as evidence for anything past what 1 person believes as anyone can make a meme in 2 seconds.

In any case there was video floating around of groups of people literally praying to obama. I havent seen any organized mass worshiping of Trump like that.

It's not the fact that the meme exists, it's the fact that the meme (and others like it) were reposted and reposted and reposted all over FacistBook by "Christians". The same people posting the meme's often spoke of Trump like he was the "Savior of America!" While that is not quite the same thing as "praying" to Trump or singing songs of worship, the level of hope that was placed on Trump definitely bordered worship.

And my point is that if they were "hoping in" Trump to "save America" and he had actually pulled it off and then started fulfilling all of the prophecies concerning the Anti-Christ is that a lot (most?) of the false Christians would gleefully follow after him and full-on worship him when called to do so.

 

[Animalmother]

Meh I don’t see it bro. I get people were excited for Trump. I don’t think that level of excitement even approaches worship. I think you would agree that what we are seeing take place in our country is a battle between good and evil. I don’t have to fall to my knees and declare Trump the messiah to believe he is opposing evil or that divine intervention is behind him.

I also get your point but your point hinges on 1 giant possibility that we didn’t see happen. Put Trump to the side for a moment. IF anyone starts fulfilling all the prophecies concerning the anti christ (which would by far be more impressive than saving America) you would no doubt have people gleefully following them and full on worshiping them.

So the premise that people having hope in Trump or him saving America has any bearing on whether people start worshiping him after he starts performing miracles is false.

I think you just want to make the excitement about Trump a bigger deal than it is.

 

[MChat]

Put Trump to the side for a moment. IF anyone starts fulfilling all the prophecies concerning the anti christ (which would by far be more impressive than saving America) you would no doubt have people gleefully following them and full on worshiping them.

That's actually my point. If people were getting so excited over hearing Trump talk about "draining the swamp" imagine how excited people would be if someone showed up on the scene and actually drained the swamp! Excited enough to not just do things that bordered on "worship", but excited enough to actually worship.

 

[FleshEater]

That's actually my point. If people were getting so excited over hearing Trump talk about "draining the swamp" imagine how excited people would be if someone showed up on the scene and actually drained the swamp! Excited enough to not just do things that bordered on "worship", but excited enough to actually worship.

There’s no saying that won’t happen in 2024...lots of Trump haters are now missing the world we lived in.

 

[blakes]

MChat

just wanted to say 'thank you' for creating this thread.

seriously.

 

[MChat]

For those who are curious as to whether the Vax (or Vax "Passport") is the "Mark of the Beast", here is a video that explains the timeline:



While I do not believe the Vax to be the Mark, I do believe it is a precursor; something to get the general population used to the concept of needing "something" in order to buy/sell (or have a job).


On a related note, I attended a mini-seminar on the future of Information (Computer) Security. In the past, security was an afterthought, a band-aid (or 101 band-aids); in the future computer systems are going to be designed with security as a primary concern. Eventually, only computers that "meet the criteria" will be "allowed' to even connect to the Internet. ISP's will require certain security features (which will be "built into" the hardware and O/S) in order to receive an IP address (or what ever the future version is).

My bet is that whatever this hardware and O/S technology ends up being, the Mark when it arrives will be a part of it. You won't be able to "authenticate" on ANY computer that has the required security features without the Mark. So if you imagined that the Mark would be like the Vax and you simply wouldn't be able to enter stores or restaurants, but you'd be able to "buy online" when the Mark comes even that won't be an option.

 

[FJC11]

It is stuff like this that I am referring to:

I saw a lot of "Christians" put more faith and trust in Trump to save this country than in God; in my hallucination, that is worship.

Was it Obama level ? you know grade school children were singing songs of praise to our new savior ?

That level of cultish idiocy ?

Is that what you're saying ?

 

[Ted_Kaczynski]

I consider myself a believer. I do not consider myself Christian nor would I be proud of association at one of your ridiculous temples. Modern Christianity is embarrassing in my opinion. There's legitimate need all around those giant temples surrounded by fancy cars and expensive clothes.

I've often thought of attending a church on Sunday, but I keep looking for a small one where the preacher lives out back in a trailer and is only 5 years out of prison, you know the guy with real life wisdom to share, not the fancy PhD preacher.

Those trailer out back churches don't seem to exist anymore. They've become intermingled with the crazy abandoned strip mall worship centers now.

I am a lost sheep, but main stream Christianity seems more lost than me.

 

[Bamajeeper]

I gave up on religion years ago.
I rented a house from a church. I asked the the preacher/landlord if the house would be sold any time in the next two years. He said no. Three months later he put the house up for sale and told us to get out in two weeks. That was the only time I ever berated and cussed a preacher.

The preacher that married us stole $50,000 from the church and moved two states away. That was interesting.

I used to pray for people. Praying is a waste of time.
I prayed for my grandparents, they died.
I prayed for my cousin, he died.
I prayed for my father in law, he died.
I prayed for friends that died.

Religion is fucking pointless. It’s role in society is for controlling people.

 

[DWT]

I consider myself a believer. I do not consider myself Christian nor would I be proud of association at one of your ridiculous temples. Modern Christianity is embarrassing in my opinion. There's legitimate need all around those giant temples surrounded by fancy cars and expensive clothes.

I've often thought of attending a church on Sunday, but I keep looking for a small one where the preacher lives out back in a trailer and is only 5 years out of prison, you know the guy with real life wisdom to share, not the fancy PhD preacher.

Those trailer out back churches don't seem to exist anymore. They've become intermingled with the crazy abandoned strip mall worship centers now.

I am a lost sheep, but main stream Christianity seems more lost than me.

The guy that wants me to come drive his truck once hop season is over is my parents preacher. Super good dude, has a pile of small businesses and he drives a truck 6 days a week. It wouldn't surprise me if he gave whatever salary the church gives him right back to them.

The old school guys are still out there, just harder to find. Look for a little shack at the back of a truck stop, they often have little old school churches just like you're thinking of too.

 

[MuntCuffin]

I gave up on religion years ago.
I rented a house from a church. I asked the the preacher/landlord if the house would be sold any time in the next two years. He said no. Three months later he put the house up for sale and told us to get out in two weeks. That was the only time I ever berated and cussed a preacher.

The preacher that married us stole $50,000 from the church and moved two states away. That was interesting.

I used to pray for people. Praying is a waste of time.
I prayed for my grandparents, they died.
I prayed for my cousin, he died.
I prayed for my father in law, he died.
I prayed for friends that died.

Religion is fucking pointless. It’s role in society is for controlling people.

If you could give up on it so easily, what did you find in it in the first place? Religion ain't a self-help book, it doesn't exist to make you happy.
You will suffer.
Its what we are called to do.

 

[MChat]

Was it Obama level ? you know grade school children were singing songs of praise to our new savior ?

That level of cultish idiocy ?

Is that what you're saying ?

It is well established that the Left practically worships their "dear leaders" as a normal practice (see "Obama" and "Hillary"), Biden seems to be the exception (most of the Left didn't really want him either, they just didn't want Trump more).

It's a little more rare for "Christians" to practically worship their leaders: Regan was probably the closest prior to Trump. I was 8 when Regan was elected the first time, but I don't remember the same "God sent him to SAVE AMERICA" type stuff as we did with Trump.

However my point wasn't to "bash" Trump or his supporters (remember I voted for him as well), but merely to point out that it is possible to get "Christians" so on board behind a politician that they are practically worshiping him. Which is what the Bible describes of the Anti-Christ. Unlike Trump, however, the Anti-Christ will apparently appeal to both sides.

 

[MChat]

I consider myself a believer. I do not consider myself Christian nor would I be proud of association at one of your ridiculous temples. Modern Christianity is embarrassing in my opinion. There's legitimate need all around those giant temples surrounded by fancy cars and expensive clothes.

I've often thought of attending a church on Sunday, but I keep looking for a small one where the preacher lives out back in a trailer and is only 5 years out of prison, you know the guy with real life wisdom to share, not the fancy PhD preacher.

Those trailer out back churches don't seem to exist anymore. They've become intermingled with the crazy abandoned strip mall worship centers now.

I am a lost sheep, but main stream Christianity seems more lost than me.

Does a workshop converted to a church building out back of the Pastor's house count? My current pastor works doing roofing (and other home repairs, but mostly roofing); has a lot of "life experience" (not jail, however), has a bit of ADD and definitely doesn't fall into the category of a "fancy PhD preacher." The type of church you're looking for does exist, but, I agree, they are getting rarer and rarer.

And I agree with you, I think there are way too many "churches" out there that are more about having a fancy building or whatever than should be. The letters to the churches at the beginning Revelations are prophetic in nature. Each church representing and era and what a "mainstream" church of that era looks, sounds and feels like. We are in the era of the Church of Laodicea, the last church.

Revelation 3:14-22 (KJV)
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

In my hallucination, this accurately describes the modern American Church (they say "I am rich, have material wealth, and don't need anything"). Also note where Jesus is in relation to that church ("I stand at the door an knock"). By God's own words, He is not in the modern church. It's no wonder, as you put it, "Modern Christianity is embarrassing" going through the motions, but not really having a Godly nature. Just as foretold:

2 Timothy 3:1-7
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Doesn't that describe not only "the world" but modern "Christianity" as well? What a lot of people miss about this verse is that "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power" means that Timothy is describing the condition of a CHURCH, not the world in general.

So what are we to do?

Find a good church amongst all of the horrible ones anyway. Remember the true church isn't a building, it isn't the deacons and pastor and "steering committee", the true church is the people.

 

[MChat]

I gave up on religion years ago.
I rented a house from a church. I asked the the preacher/landlord if the house would be sold any time in the next two years. He said no. Three months later he put the house up for sale and told us to get out in two weeks. That was the only time I ever berated and cussed a preacher.

The preacher that married us stole $50,000 from the church and moved two states away. That was interesting.

I used to pray for people. Praying is a waste of time.
I prayed for my grandparents, they died.
I prayed for my cousin, he died.
I prayed for my father in law, he died.
I prayed for friends that died.

Religion is fucking pointless. It’s role in society is for controlling people.

I can totally see your point of view; it can be very discouraging to see "God's people" do things that bring dishonor to the Name of God. And it can be very discouraging to pray and ask for healing for friends and family and not receive it. And I agree religion is pointless.

But God didn't send His Son to die on the cross to create a religion: Jesus came to die for our sins, that the Relationship with God could be restored. Man and Satan took the relationship and created the religion(s). My advice is to seek the relationship with God, rather than get involved with ANY religion.

 

[Thumping]

I gave up on religion years ago.
I rented a house from a church. I asked the the preacher/landlord if the house would be sold any time in the next two years. He said no. Three months later he put the house up for sale and told us to get out in two weeks. That was the only time I ever berated and cussed a preacher.

The preacher that married us stole $50,000 from the church and moved two states away. That was interesting.

I used to pray for people. Praying is a waste of time.
I prayed for my grandparents, they died.
I prayed for my cousin, he died.
I prayed for my father in law, he died.
I prayed for friends that died.

Religion is fucking pointless. It’s role in society is for controlling people.

I don't mean to sound like an ass so please excuse me.

Just because you did not receive the answer you wanted does not mean your prayer was not answered.

I fully understand where you are coming from. Why do small 100% innocent children have to suffer cancer or anything else? Why is it we pray for them and it seemingly falls on deaf ears. Well my friend, they do not. Your as well as mine are heard.

I cannot answer as to why the prayer was not answered in the way we wanted. All I can say is to have faith that he knows better than us.

Why do the wicked seem to be rewarded while those of pure seem to be punished? Life is short...eternity is not.

I question alot of things, my faith however I do not. I've lost loved ones (two younger brothers) that I ask why. But I don't blame God or an unanswered prayer.

But I have little to no faith in man or the modern church. I have faith that someday I will see them again and at that time my questions will be answered.

 

[MChat]

Revelation 18:21-24
And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Something more that gives credibility that "Babylon the Great" is the United States (making "that great city Babylon" to be New York City, which is the "chief city" of Babylon the Great not necessarily the capitol of it).

Highlighted is the phrase "by thy sorceries"; the reason I highlighted this is because the word sorceries here comes from the Greek word Pharmakeia.

1. The use or administering of drugs
2. Poisoning
3. Sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it
4. Metaphorically the deceptions and seductions of idolatry

While the traditional reading of this passage is that of what we think of as "sorcery" today, that is "magic." However given recent events and it coming out that ultimately the U.S./Babylon (via the Elite and their puppet Fauci) created both the virus and the so-called vaccine which if half of what we think is true is the biggest deception to have been pulled on mankind probably ever.

And if what has been said about the vax ultimately causing death (directly or indirectly by necessity of "boosters" that will ultimately be withheld from the "undesirables") then the next verse makes a lot of sense as well: "And in her was found the blood of the prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth."

Which would fit the first two meanings of Pharmakeia to a T.

 

[FleshEater]

I consider myself a believer. I do not consider myself Christian nor would I be proud of association at one of your ridiculous temples. Modern Christianity is embarrassing in my opinion. There's legitimate need all around those giant temples surrounded by fancy cars and expensive clothes.

I've often thought of attending a church on Sunday, but I keep looking for a small one where the preacher lives out back in a trailer and is only 5 years out of prison, you know the guy with real life wisdom to share, not the fancy PhD preacher.

Those trailer out back churches don't seem to exist anymore. They've become intermingled with the crazy abandoned strip mall worship centers now.

I am a lost sheep, but main stream Christianity seems more lost than me.

If you pray, and listen, I'm pretty certain you'll find what you're looking for. Trust, believe, and be awake to what you're being shown. It might be closer than you think.

 

[junkytj]

I keep a watch on this thread and have enjoyed it. I've abstained mostly because mchat asked me to avoid discussing the premise of the thread, but it seems to have morphed into a slightly different discussion.

I'd like to address the lost sheep without a church sentiment. I don't doubt your salvation or dedication to Christ, but mine manifests itself in reading and studying the scripture. So that's what comes to mind as I read through this discussion.

How do you deal with Hebrews 10:25 and similar verses?

How do you deal with the great commission where we are to simultaneously deal with local issues, regional issues, and issues throughout the world? (Judea, Samaria, and the uttermost parts)? I've never seen a church barely scraping by meet that call from Christ himself.

I despise going to church for the most part because I struggle to love people at all. I don't dislike because it irritates some righteous anger at a potential money grubber or hypocrite, or socialite moving their business dealings to Sunday. I don't see that I'm any better and their purposes of being there are between them and God. I'm there to worship and contribute the best I can. In fact I pray for God to give me some view of his people through his eyes so I have some sort of compassion for people to make it easier for me to go to a church that tries to help people. Our preacher doesn't blunt the word and our finances are open for all to see and we have more discussion on how our budget is ran than I care to think about, much less attend. I understand that the believers are the Church and church is where I find believers and there are several verses in scripture that say to go and Acts is about how to conduct church.

Then you get to Christ's position on the church which can best be described as he claimed the Church as his bride. I don't know how you guys roll, but if a person comes up to me and says "Man I think you are really cool and I want to hang out and be friends, by the way your wife sucks." We are going to have problems.

 

[49willys_mogon]

More along the cultural events side of this thread...

Voddie kicks some marxists ass here

Watch "Cultural Marxism | Dr. Voddie Baucham" on YouTube

 

[MChat]

"And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority." - Revelation 13:2 (KJV)

"The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it." - Daniel 7:4 (KJV)


Probably just a coincidence...


"For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape." - 1 Thessalonians 5:3 (KJV)

 

[Animalmother]

"And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority." - Revelation 13:2 (KJV)

"The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it." - Daniel 7:4 (KJV)


Probably just a coincidence...


"For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape." - 1 Thessalonians 5:3 (KJV)

Whats up with international bodies and weird statues?


This one sits outside CERN.

 

[FleshEater]

"And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority." - Revelation 13:2 (KJV)

"The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it." - Daniel 7:4 (KJV)


Probably just a coincidence...


"For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape." - 1 Thessalonians 5:3 (KJV)

I’ve read what you cited a cpuple times and thought, “Wow, that’s kind of weird...is this literal or figurative?”

Now I see...this is scary stuff.