Current Events and Bible Prophecy

[Mr Stubs]

Well, we do have the threat of war at the moment with Russia.

Apparently they don’t like the idea of Ukraine wanting to be a part of the U.N.

 

[MChat]

Daniel 7:4 may be the most concerning. What country is symbolized by a (bald) eagle? What does the prophecy mean when it says "the [eagle] wings were plucked"?

Many eschatologists believe that "given the heart of a man" is referring to the Anti-Chrust. It is hypothesized that the U.S. is "destroyed" in order to create a vacuum of power that the A.C. uses to rise to power (the head of the U.N. when "Babylon the Great" falls?)

 

[SanDiegoCJ]

Well, we do have the threat of war at the moment with Russia.

Apparently they don’t like the idea of Ukraine wanting to be a part of the U.N.

IIRC they're already in the U.N. Putin doesn't want them to be a full member of NATO.

 

[xr-nut]

Probably just a coincidence...

Is it though..........? Have you seen this? Does this change your opinion on the mark yet?

Facing COVID passport mandate, more Swedes get microchip implants

Rise comes after Sweden required vaccination passport at all events with over 100 participants as of Dec. 1, local media reports - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

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STOCKHOLM

Following Sweden’s announcement that the coronavirus vaccine passport requirement will be put into practice, the number of people who got microchips inserted under their skin rose, according to local media.

Swedish daily Aftonbladet reported on Sunday that a rise was recorded in the number of people who had microchips inserted in their hands following Sweden's announcement that a vaccination passport will be required at all events with over 100 participants as of Dec. 1.

Citing a resident, Hannes Sjoblad, the daily reported that he had a microchip with his vaccination passport inserted to his left hand.

Sjoblad noted that all his information about COVID-19 is reflected on his mobile phone when he takes his mobile phone in his left hand, adding that this is a new trend that has become popular among Swedes.

Another resident, Olle Helkimo, said he also had a chip inserted in his left hand, making him feel healthier.

According to digital cultures researcher Moa Petersen, around 6,000 people in Sweden have so far had a chip inserted in their hands.

Petersen stressed that those with microchip implants have stopped carrying vaccine passports, keys, ID cards, and even train tickets with them, thanks to radio frequency identification technology, a wireless system comprising tags and readers."

 

[MChat]

I absolutely believe that a digital microchip vaccine passport could absolutely be the Mark. The vaccine itself, not so much.

That last paragraph is the most concerning when it comes to a chip being the M.O.B. and I believe that is how its going to be sold to the general public: credit cards, currency, ID's, voter registration, vaccination records,, everything will be in the chip and eventually you won't be able to buy/sell without one because even currency (e.g Bitcoin) will be in the chip.

 

[Mr Stubs]

I absolutely believe that a digital microchip vaccine passport could absolutely be the Mark. The vaccine itself, not so much.

That last paragraph is the most concerning when it comes to a chip being the M.O.B. and I believe that is how its going to be sold to the general public: credit cards, currency, ID's, voter registration, vaccination records,, everything will be in the chip and eventually you won't be able to buy/sell without one because even currency (e.g Bitcoin) will be in the chip.

Uhhhmm… better do a little more research on Bitcoin in regards to that statement.

Now a CBDC? (Central Bank Digital Currency) heck ya you are right.

 

[Tiha]

I absolutely believe that a digital microchip vaccine passport could absolutely be the Mark. The vaccine itself, not so much.

And I agree with that line of thinking except, Chips can he hacked and faked and there will be plenty of that going around and that will be big business.

My interputation of the mark is will be something that cannot be faked, nor would someone want to fake it.

So I think your view is normal and common among many believers, but I am not sure that I am on that same page.

 

[xr-nut]

And I agree with that line of thinking except, Chips can he hacked and faked and there will be plenty of that going around and that will be big business.

My interputation of the mark is will be something that cannot be faked, nor would someone want to fake it.

So I think your view is normal and common among many believers, but I am not sure that I am on that same page.

Good point, but more importantly, no one has been required to denounce christ while getting the chips. Yet. (?)

 

[MChat]

Uhhhmm… better do a little more research on Bitcoin in regards to that statement.

Now a CBDC? (Central Bank Digital Currency) heck ya you are right.

Yea I didn't mean Bitcoin specifically, but likely some form of crypto-currency.

If my suspicions are correct, there will be a "new" cyber-currency to replace the Central Banking systems currencies after the destruction of "Mystery Babylon" (which may or may not be the same as "Babylon the Great").

 

[MChat]

Good point, but more importantly, no one has been required to denounce christ while getting the chips. Yet. (?)

This to me is key in identifying the real M.O.B. when it arrives. Denounce Christ and/or "worship" the Beast. (The word "worship" may be misunderstood by modern society)

 

[xr-nut]

This to me is key in identifying the real M.O.B. when it arrives. Denounce Christ and/or "worship" the Beast. (The word "worship" may be misunderstood by modern society)

Would you mine quoting the scripture that points out this "denounce" part? tia

And, is this post or pre trib?

 

[MuntCuffin]

"And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority." - Revelation 13:2 (KJV)

"The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it." - Daniel 7:4 (KJV)


Probably just a coincidence...


"For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape." - 1 Thessalonians 5:3 (KJV)

Seems fitting a piece of trash like that would be erected in that filthy shit heap of a city.

We outta go tear that down. Seems to be the thing to do with statues you don't like.

 

[Tech Tim]

Whats up with international bodies and weird statues?


This one sits outside CERN.

That's Shiva Nataraja, symbolizing the cosmic dance of creation and destruction.... kind of fits at CERN.


One that should be raising eyebrows is the statue of Moloch that the Vatican allowed to be placed outside the Roman colosseum.

 

[MChat]

Would you mine quoting the scripture that points out this "denounce" part? tia

And, is this post or pre trib?

Revelation 13.

The "denounce Christ" is assumed since the Beast "makes war with the saints" (verse 7). It would stand to reason that any "surrender" in this war would require a denunciation of prior beliefs.

This is also a reason I don't believe the current vaccine/vaccine passports/chips are the actual M.O.B. but rather precursors: there has been no "war on Christians" (globally, not just in specific) countries).

As for Pre vs Post; I have studied this specific topic and have my beliefs concerning the timing, however I'd rather keep that discussion out of this thread as (based on past experiences) that topic is sure to be a major derailment. I'd be happy to discuss in a separate thread.

 

[Animalmother]

That's Shiva Nataraja, symbolizing the cosmic dance of creation and destruction.... kind of fits at CERN.


One that should be raising eyebrows is the statue of Moloch that the Vatican allowed to be placed outside the Roman colosseum.

It fits if their goal is to open a portal and unleash Hell on Earth. Here is their logo. Notice the 666?

I dont think any of this is a coincidence.

 

[Tech Tim]

It fits if their goal is to open a portal and unleash Hell on Earth. Here is their logo. Notice the 666?

I dont think any of this is a coincidence.

None of this stuff is coincidence.

It gets put out there, right in people's faces and most can't see it.

We've all heard, "Can't see the forest for the trees". But sometimes if you look at the trees, you'll see what makes up the forest.

 

[Boss]

I never really understood why god created so many types of religion, and everyone says that theirs is the only right one.

"Free will" He gave us free will. Would be your answer.

 

[Tech Tim]

"Free will" He gave us free will. Would be your answer.

Whenever "Free Will" comes up it reminds me of this song....

 

[Mr Stubs]

"Free will" He gave us free will. Would be your answer.

What about the people who have lived and died never even knowing that religion as a choice?

 

[Boss]

What about the people who have lived and died never even knowing that religion as a choice?

Out of respect to the OP request, I'll bow out on a indepth debate. My short answer is, I believe God judges you not on your religion but your choices. You are you. No matter your religion.

 

[Tiha]

Out of respect to the OP request, I'll bow out on a indepth debate. My short answer is, I believe God judges you not on your religion but your choices. You are you. No matter your religion.

That is a decent way to say it.

You can have 300 people in the same church, under the same roof, listening to the same sermon and they could each be worshiping a different God.

Because we cannot see a person's heart. We don't know what they believe. Only God can. And Only God can judge.

The Catholic church has it's failings as do most churches and at it's core the Catholic church is flawed. But that doesn't mean everyone going to that church is going to Hell.
It is on the individual to make their choices, follow their beliefs.

Pastors, priests, holy men, churches, religions. they cannot get you eternal life. They are simply there to try and help point you in the right direction for those that want and need it. they are there to teach, for fellowship. for all kinds of things but in the end they cannot save you.

A personal relationship with God is the only way to heaven. That is a choice made by each person.

 

[ev13wt]

Guys, all the things in this thread saying "this is the mark" - it is not, because they are all "man made" technologies and as such, are escapeable. From faking a chip or passport, to programming your own, to cutting it out.

"The mark" means you are doomed from outside of this reality, from outside of this universe.
The anti christ will find information that will replace "God". He will have "Godlike" power. He (or she) will use that power to place the mark. There will be no way to escape it, as only the anti christ has "the key" to that power.

 

[Tiha]

What about the people who have lived and died never even knowing that religion as a choice?

People who don't know the law will not be judged by the law.
But they will still be judged on the actions because they do have moral laws placed in their hearts.

As with children. Some churches believe a child will not go to heaven if not baptized.
Like really? God is going to condemn and innocent child?

Of course he is not. In children there is an age of reckoning. That time and age is different for each person. Only God and that person knows.

But God also says he gives every person enough information to make a choice.

Maybe the northern lights is enough for some people to seek or believe in the existance of god. Maybe all it takes is a sunset. Maybe being trapped in a car after a car wreck or laying on their death bed, maybe that is when they will seek him, or he will come to them.
We have no idea. Just have to follow what the bible says, and it says every person is given enough information to know.

But different than those that don't know. Anyone reading this thread now knows and will be judged.

 

[ev13wt]

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A personal relationship with God is the only way to heaven enlightenment That is a choice made by each person.

I'd not call it heaven it is probably so much more than that what most think when they think heaven.

 

[MChat]

What about the people who have lived and died never even knowing that religion as a choice?

I believe I covered that here (link is to the specific post relevant to your question): Bible Prophecy - Nonbeliever's Playground

I would be happy to continue the conversation there, if you'd like.

 

[MChat]

Something more that gives credibility that "Babylon the Great" is the United States (making "that great city Babylon" to be New York City, which is the "chief city" of Babylon the Great not necessarily the capitol of it).

Highlighted is the phrase "by thy sorceries"; the reason I highlighted this is because the word sorceries here comes from the Greek word Pharmakeia.

1. The use or administering of drugs
2. Poisoning
3. Sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it
4. Metaphorically the deceptions and seductions of idolatry

While the traditional reading of this passage is that of what we think of as "sorcery" today, that is "magic." However given recent events and it coming out that ultimately the U.S./Babylon (via the Elite and their puppet Fauci) created both the virus and the so-called vaccine which if half of what we think is true is the biggest deception to have been pulled on mankind probably ever.

And if what has been said about the vax ultimately causing death (directly or indirectly by necessity of "boosters" that will ultimately be withheld from the "undesirables") then the next verse makes a lot of sense as well: "And in her was found the blood of the prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth."

Which would fit the first two meanings of Pharmakeia to a T.

Is Russia's invasion of the Ukraine a precursor to the destruction of Babylon (U.S.)? Will Biden take military action that leads to an escalation culminating in a nuclear attack by Russia? Is this how "Babylon the Great" is destroyed in "one hour"?

 

[Deleted Member]

Is Russia's invasion of the Ukraine a precursor to the destruction of Babylon (U.S.)? Will Biden take military action that leads to an escalation culminating in a nuclear attack by Russia? Is this how "Babylon the Great" is destroyed in "one hour"?

I want to know if you are saying the US is Babylon.

 

[Thumping]

I want to know if you are saying the US is Babylon.

I believe He's referring to this from his the post he was replying to.

Something more that gives credibility that "Babylon the Great" is the United States (making "that great city Babylon" to be New York City, which is the "chief city" of Babylon the Great not necessarily the capitol of it).

 

[Never Monday]

Is Russia's invasion of the Ukraine a precursor to the destruction of Babylon (U.S.)? Will Biden take military action that leads to an escalation culminating in a nuclear attack by Russia? Is this how "Babylon the Great" is destroyed in "one hour"?

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[MChat]

I want to know if you are saying the US is Babylon.

I am undecided on it but leaning toward a yes; I read the hypothesis that the U.S. is "Babylon the Great" years ago. To me it fits in with Isaiah 17 (Destruction of Damascus) & 18 (Destruction of "the Land Shadowed with Wings" -- which I believe to be the U.S.), Ezekiel 38-39 (Russian alliance war with Israel) and Genesis 12:3 ("And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee").

The way I thought these prophecies might unfold is that Israel (or another country as a False-Flag Op) would destroy Damascus (Isaiah 17:1 "The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap."). This would be the "hook in the jaw" (Ezekiel 38:4) that draws Russia against Israel. Meanwhile the U.S., Great Britain (and all other former colonies) just sit by and do nothing (Ezekiel 38:13) but ask "have you really come?" (Possibly referring to "sanctions"). This is where Genesis 12:3 comes in: God treats other nations depending on how they treat Israel. We "stand by and watch" doing nothing while the Gog/Magog war happens, so whatever happens in Isaiah 18 (it's not clear, but it doesn't look good) God says He's going to "stand by and watch".

Isaiah 18:1-2​

1 Woe to the land shadowing with wings, which is beyond the rivers of Ethiopia:​

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2 That sendeth ambassadors by the sea, even in vessels of bulrushes upon the waters, saying, Go, ye swift messengers, to a nation scattered and peeled, to a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden down, whose land the rivers have spoiled!​

Land Shadowing with Wings: We are the birthplace of aviation and arguably have the best Air Power in the world.
Beyond the rivers of Ethiopia: Beyond the known world (at the time Isaiah was written).
Sends Ambassadors: We do that (not that we're the only nation that does), but we tend to "get involved" in other countries more so than anyone else.
Nation Scattered: A mix of different nations.
Peeled: Clean Shaven - how does the rest of the world generally view the "average American"
Terrible from their beginning: We've been in war after war after war after war since the nation began.
Meted out and trodden down: We started on the East Coast and "meted out and trodden down" all the way to the West Coast
Land the Rivers have Spoiled: The Hebrew word for Spoiled can also mean divided. It's rivers (plural) and the rivers divide the country -- how many states have at least one border that is a river?

The rest of Isaiah 18 doesn't sound like a good thing for this nation (and the chapter does start with "Woe to the land..."). I could be that Isaiah 18 is the destruction of Babylon, which would fit in with what we see today. The fall of the U.S. would definitely shake up the economies of the world, the vacuum of the dollar (and possibly a large portion of the Central Banking system) would pave the way for a "one world (crypto) currency" a.k.a. the Mark of the Beast; particularly if I am right about the "10 kings" that rule with the Antichrist taking out the elite families that currently control the central banks around the world (this would happen at the same time as the fall of Babylon).

I will also note that Babylon is referred to as a city (most likely NYC, where the "whore of Babylon" stands in the bay -- a.k.a. the Statue of Liberty), so who knows what would happen to the rest of the country if "only" NYC is destroyed. It could also be that at the time Isaiah was written, it was common to refer to nations by their chief cities (Sparta, Athens, Troy, Rome, (ancient) Babylon, etc...), in which case "Babylon" would be the U.S. as a nation.