Current Events and Bible Prophecy

[Animalmother]

Legit question, why are Christians so obsessed/scared of the end times? Shouldn't they be dancing in the streets? Even as a kid I would wonder this, you should be praying for death everyday so you can get to paradise.

Asking as a former Catholic surround on one side by Jehovah's witnesses.

I skimmed what was written and plan to dig in on my next shit, looks interesting!!

I don’t know….why are you asking a question that forces the person that would answer to accept your presumption?


Its like if I were to ask why are people from Hickory NC so obsessed with wanting cocks in their ass?

See how thats bullshit

 

[Slander]

I don’t know….why are you asking a question that forces the person that would answer to accept your presumption?


Its like if I were to ask why are people from Hickory NC so obsessed with wanting cocks in their ass?

See how thats bullshit

It's because of all the trees.

I am genuinely curious, I have a pre conceived notion and asking for clarification, what's wrong with that?

 

[east_beast]

When you want to find correlation you'll find correlation. It's easy to find correlation to vaguely written parables.

 

[Animalmother]

It's because of all the trees.

I am genuinely curious, I have a pre conceived notion and asking for clarification, what's wrong with that?

Nothing I guess. I can only speak for myself which is all anyone can do trying to answer that. I dont think you can sincerely expect to find some kind of spoke person to make sense of your notions when everyone has their own thoughts, interests, and worries that is not defined by simply being a Christian

Im a christian and would not consider myself obsessed or scared of end times. I love life and am in no rush to die but I take comfort in knowing what waits for me in the end.

I think its an interesting topic in general and would interest a broad range of folks.

 

[FleshEater]

Very interesting, and looking forward to reading.

Christians definitely don't fear the end times. I believe it's more to warn people to turn to God before it's too late. It's mistaken as fear by those who don't understand.

Personally, I don't think about the end times, nor worry about them. I'm more concerned with bettering myself, even though I fail miserably all the time. Very recently I'm simply praying to ease the hatred and anger I feel in my heart as it's overwhelming at times.

 

[Tiha]

There is some personal interpretation involved in reading revelation, such as are you a pre tripper or post tripper.

meaning will god's people be taken away in the rapture before all this happens, or after.

I can discern all those things to meaning yes it is happening right now, but I have also said that at other times in my life.

One thing we don't know is how long it will take for all these things to transpire. It may not be finished in our lifetimes.

The one and most important piece of advice I give people looking through revelation is this.
"every eye shall see him on that day"

That means don't fall for the anit christ or fake christ or rumors of christ. When he actually comes everyone will see him.
That will be an event like nothing else.

We can debate passages in revelation all day long. In the end, if you are connected with God as you should be then you will know if this is the mark and you should not take it. The world may try to deceive us and will succeed with many, but each one of us is responsible for our eternal salvation. You can't stand before God on Judgement day and blame it on someone else.
So start a relationship with him now before it is too late. Invite him into your life. The holy spirit will reside in us and let us know what to do.

 

[Tiha]

I will add one more tidbit when it comes to mark of the beast.

We think it has something to do with 666 right?

John wrote revelation.
If we read John chapter 6, verse 66
"From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him."

So will it be a physical mark? Will it be a spiritual mark?
Will it be the vaccine? Or will it just be people that choose to stop following him?

It's possible, and if nothing else it should give a person pause to think that when they got it figured out, they ain't got it figured out.

 

[Tiha]

Legit question, why are Christians so obsessed/scared of the end times? Shouldn't they be dancing in the streets? Even as a kid I would wonder this, you should be praying for death everyday so you can get to paradise.

Asking as a former Catholic surround on one side by Jehovah's witnesses.

I skimmed what was written and plan to dig in on my next shit, looks interesting!!

Some Christians rejoice depends on how they view the end times.

I rejoice, I am a pre tripper. I believe he will come without warning and take us away.

They are scared because the bible warns us about the persecution of Christians in the end times and how difficult it will be to just survive. How they will be tortured and for all their sufferings so few will actually still make it into heaven.

I am ready to die, rapture or not. I am ready to leave this shit hole world behind and go where I belong.

 

[junkytj]

Legit question, why are Christians so obsessed/scared of the end times? Shouldn't they be dancing in the streets? Even as a kid I would wonder this, you should be praying for death everyday so you can get to paradise.

Asking as a former Catholic surround on one side by Jehovah's witnesses.

I skimmed what was written and plan to dig in on my next shit, looks interesting!!

It's hard to say about the people you have run into that you claim are Christian and scared. The first thing I'll say is the last survey I heard about said there about 75% of people in the US who claimed to be Christian. Then when asked specific questions about what the bible teaches, only about 8% could answer like 50% of the bible questions accurately. So there are likely 2 assumptions you are making that are both wrong.

1. The people you remember as Christians likely aren't.
2. The people who are Christians are scared.

Am I looking forward to it? Not in the immediate sense. We are promised great persecution before the seals are broken that start the tribulation. A lot of people assume that any persecution you get is related to the great tribulation, but they are very definitely two distinct periods. It will suck for Christians leading up to that tribulation time. Also as people who love God, we are supposed to love his people whom he loves. So for us it is tragic to see people choose what we see as destruction. Am I ready for the Jesus to reclaim man's dominion over the earth and kick back for the good times. Shure enough.

 

[Tiha]

Is there a way to prevent this "end of times" in the bible? Ive never heard about that part? If not, then who cares? Why worry about it?

I've heard reference to Jesus returning. Is that an automatic game-over scenario for us? I never understood that part. End of times, does it mean death of all humans or parts of civilizations and does anyone survive that?

There is no way to stop it. God created man on the earth and he will end it.

The end being you will be in heaven or hell for eternity.

I think I read one interpretation at some point that said after God has cleansed the earth he will put those in heaven back on it to live in peace and harmony for eternity.
Not sure I agree and I don't see any biblical support of that theory but it is kind of a cool thought.

Never the less Heaven is described as a Joy far far greater than anything we can humanly fathom
and Hell as described in one instance a lake of fire. Which is scary can you imagine being burned alive for eternity and never being consumed. The pain, cannot even comprehend what that would be like.
Some pastors have tried to scare people away from hell by playing on their fears. Can you imagine being buried alive for a year? Let alone Eternity?
What about laying in a pit of snakes, or spiders crawling over your body, whatever horror you can imagine for longer than you can imagine.
Frightening isn't it? It should be. That is what lies ahead for people that don't have a personal relationship with God.

 

[MChat]

I've attended overly serious Pentecostal churches my whole life. I still believe "the mark" is not a physical indication of your affirmation of agreement with the antichrist. It would be antithetical to his design to mandate something free people would protest out of their nature. That being said, most folks are a lot sheeppeer than I expected and Kung flu proved it.

These are the theological ramblings of an old dumb drunk so take them with a grain of salt.

I believe there will be a physical "mark" of some kind, even if it is a micro-chip planted under the skin (if you were John and had seen the future, how would you describe the implantation of a micro-chip to people 2000 years ago?).

I'm going to hint at something now, that I'll cover in more detail later today when I have more time: Beasts in Bible Prophecy are typically Nations not an individual person. Could the "worship of the beast" be a form of Nationalism?

 

[CrustyJeep]

Please post all non-serious comments, derogatory statements or insults from the [Thread] in this thread. If you're genuinely interested in having a debate, please still post it here.

Thank you!

Fuck off you pretentious ****, I'll post what I want, where I want.

Also, atheism and agnosticism aren't ism's or religions. They are the lack thereof. Your attempt to place other people into your pigeon hole is weak sauce.

 

[Truckedup]

I know people who are believers, and people who are non believers.....Some are great, some are assholes no matter what their beliefs....

 

[Filthy McChevy]

Fuck off you pretentious ****, I'll post what I want, where I want.

Also, atheism and agnosticism aren't ism's or religions. They are the lack thereof. Your attempt to place other people into your pigeon hole is weak sauce.

You better get your sin Vaccine, bitch!

 

[Thumping]

Fuck off you pretentious ****, I'll post what I want, where I want.

Also, atheism and agnosticism aren't ism's or religions. They are the lack thereof. Your attempt to place other people into your pigeon hole is weak sauce.

You always have to be "that one" don't you? You can never just let shit slide. You've always got to be the dick in the middle. Well, congratulations I guess....dick.

 

[MChat]

I've heard reference to Jesus returning. Is that an automatic game-over scenario for us? I never understood that part. End of times, does it mean death of all humans or parts of civilizations and does anyone survive that?

Yes, there is nothing that can stop what is coming. A great number of people will die during the Great Tribulation for a great number of reasons. One book I read estimated that 80% of the people of the earth would die before the end of the Tribulation. Much of it will be because of the Anti-Christ, but even more-so because of the Judgements including "Wormwood" which many believe to be an asteroid strike (or multiple). I have a post in mind to discuss Wormwood later in this thread; I am currently reading a book on the subject.

However, the battle of Armageddon is not the "End of the World". According to the Bible, Jesus defeats Satan and Satan's Armies; Satan is locked away for 1000 years and Jesus becomes King over the whole earth for that 1000 years. And there will be people living on a restored Earth for that 100 years.

"Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain [a]in his hand. And he took hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he threw him into the abyss and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time." - Revelation 20:1-3 (NASB)

"When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, and will come out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. And they came up on the [d]broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them." - Revelation 20:7-9 (NASB)

There are other prophecies related to this "1000 year reign of Christ on Earth" that indicate it will be 1000 years of peace.

"And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, And the leopard will lie down with the young goat, And the calf and the young lion [a]and the fattened steer will be together; And a little boy will lead them. Also the cow and the bear will graze, Their young will lie down together, And the lion will eat straw like the ox. The nursing child will play by the hole of the cobra, And the weaned child will put his hand on the viper’s den. They will not hurt or destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea." - Isaiah 11:6-9

This line: "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." (Ephesians 6:12 KJV)

This verse really does tell us who is running governments (high places) around the world: rulers of darkness and spiritual wickedness (demons and/or demonic people). This is one of the reasons I believe there is real merit and plausibility in "The Cabal" or "The Bilderberger Group".

 

[MChat]

also I think the world will be more fallen and evil when the end times come. Imagine how it was for Nazi germany. That evil is truly evil. The politicians of today are weak pansies compared to hitler and Stalin.

The Bible does say that toward the end of days, Good will be called Evil and Evil will be called Good. This woke culture that we are facing today seems to fit that bill pretty accurately.

 

[MChat]

You asked why Q/Anti Christ would destroy the NWO. Probably to reshape it in to his image. To receive the worship the NWO now enjoys. The irony of now/NWO share in letters.

Let me clarify.

The NWO is pushing vaccine mandates. People are "rising up" against the NWO because of this. If Q/Anti-Christ comes in and "saves the day" by defeating the NWO, then why would Q/Anti-Christ reinstitute the vaccine mandates and digital (micro-chip) Vaxxports (if that is what the "Mark of the Beast" is)?

It could be that the Mark really is about money, not vaccines. It has been assumed to be money related from the beginning because the Bible specifically mentioning not being able to buy or sell (money related) without the Mark. It is only because the current situation we are in (vaccine mandates, with weird crap in the "vaccine") that has lead people to wonder if the vax or vaxxport is the Mark, especially as certain local governments are requiring vax-proof to enter private businesses.

I do know that many of the Q followers are big time into Crypto-Currency (as it takes away the power of the "Central Banking system" a.k.a. "Cabal"). Perhaps the Mark is a future version of the ultimate Crypto-Currency with the Mark being a Digital Wallet implanted below the skin.

 

[plym49.2]

OP, I am trying to follow along. Would you kindly provide a glossary that defines what some of these things are?

Q is defined as ................

NWO is defined as .................

Great Tribulation is defined as ...............

Rapture is defined as ..................

And so on. It would help. Thanks in advance.

 

[MChat]

Couldnt this be what is happening to you? Your ears are being tickled by what you know/want to be true from studying the bible?

Let me quote the verse in KJV, as it may make more sense:
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears"

Not enduring sound doctrine means that they turn away from Biblical teaching to non-Biblical. After their own "lusts" is talking about turning towards teachers that teach God is like a big piggy bank, ask Him for whatever you want and you'll get it. Basically the Joel Osteen and other "Prosperity gospel" preachers: "Name it and claim it!" These are not Biblical doctrines and actually have their roots in Eastern Mysticism.

It is true that whatever you focus on is what your subconscious mind works to give you, but no where in the Bible does it say to "focus on riches." Instead the Bible teaches to focus on God.

Is there a way to prevent this "end of times" in the bible? Ive never heard about that part? If not, then who cares? Why worry about it?

See my post above.

I am not worried about it; my purpose for discussing it is tri-fold:

1. Have a conversation with fellow believers that have a different view than my own to discuss the possibilities of how these prophecies may be fulfilled given the current events.

2. Bring greater awareness to current events that are clearly fulfilling prophecy.

3. Enlighten those who (believer or non) may have not heard or at least not studied any of this; so that as the events discussed to unfold, even if not exactly the way we thought they would, believers would be encouraged knowing that Christ is returning soon and non-believers might become believers.

 

[MChat]

So will it be a physical mark? Will it be a spiritual mark?
Will it be the vaccine? Or will it just be people that choose to stop following him?

I think it will be a physical mark, be it a tattoo or micro-chip under the skin. Primarily because we are told that you will not be able to buy or sell without it; if it was purely a "spiritual" mark, then how would the average store clerk know if you had the mark or not?

 

[MChat]

Legit question, why are Christians so obsessed/scared of the end times? Shouldn't they be dancing in the streets? Even as a kid I would wonder this, you should be praying for death everyday so you can get to paradise.

In a way we are excited, but also apprehensive about what is coming next.

Jesus compared it to birthing pains. I imagine it is something like that; a woman who is pregnant with her first child looks forward to holding that child in her arms, but is also apprehensive about the actual delivery (labor pains) of that child.

 

[MChat]

You wanting to avoid a discussion on the timeline while still making a topic on timelines is an interesting approach. Most biblical scholars I have read come down to a post trib view makes God a liar. I doubt you actually think that so an interesting topic for you to review is the theory of biblical imminence. Until that is resolved between us, we will never have a good conversation about end time prophecy.

I wanted to avoid the Pre/Mid/Post argument here, because I see that as something that could derail the thread as I have seen on many Christian forums. If you'd like to discuss it, by all means create a thread (I didn't want to create a 3rd thread) and I will be happy to present my case for you and anyone else interested. I grew up Baptist, and pretty much every Baptist preacher I have ever met believes and teaches a Pre-Trib Rapture; my own Bible study (and study of Bible History) has lead me to conclude otherwise.

I will address the "mark" of the beast. Rev 13, 11-17. Who controls all the world currently? In what way does a shot vaccine or passport worship them? Did I miss fire from heaven in full view of the people?

This is why I believe the current vax is not the Mark. However, it is easy to see that the general population would readily accept said Mark as part of some sort of "solution" to the current (made up) pandemic.

Who are the 24 elders in Rev 4:4 and carrying through rev 5 that are in heaven before the seals are even handed out for judgement?

I know where you are going with this, if you want to go down that path, start another thread for it. For now lets just say that as God is outside of Time (since He created Time) the things that were shown to John may not have been in chronological order.

 

[Tiha]

I think it will be a physical mark, be it a tattoo or micro-chip under the skin. Primarily because we are told that you will not be able to buy or sell without it; if it was purely a "spiritual" mark, then how would the average store clerk know if you had the mark or not?

Ah see this is a debate we shouldn't have in this thread probably.

For abbreviated version, can be interpreted as, you will be able to tell by looking at a person if they are filled with the spirit or devil. See it in their eyes or on their face. Kind of like recognizing someone you know.

then again it is not important, it can be debated all day long because it has nothing to do with your salvation. Secondary issue.

There is always a little reaching to connect the dots when trying to decipher future prophesy.

I honestly do not have an opinion on whether it will be a spiritual or physical mark. Don't care. Just fun to talk about. It could very well be a physical mark.

Okay I will stop mucking up the thread now.

 

[bdkw1]

The biggest issue with religion is lack of personal responsibility/fatalism.

"It's in God/Allah/Xenu/Buddha/Flying spaghetti monsters hands!"

Get off your ass and take responsibility for your own future.

Back to the whole give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach him to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Think for yourself people.

 

[MChat]

Q is defined as ................

Q or Q-Anon/Qanon. Q was most likely a psychological operation designed to give hope to people in the light of all of the government corruption (e.g. Election Fraud) going on. Q started on one of the chan boards and claimed to be a government insider working with/for President Trump to expose the corruption of the Deep State. Many of the things Q posted seemed to validate his claim. Some of the things posted lead people to investigate certain things related to the Deep State (a.k.a. Cabal). The link to the video I posted earlier sums up many of the claims from these investigations. Going off the premise that a least some of the things that people uncovered about this Cabal are true, then this Cabal seems to fit the description of Mystery Babylon (which I intend to go into a little more detail later) and then Q or whoever Q represents is a likely candidate for the Anti-Christ (be it Trump, "JFK Jr" or someone else).

NWO is defined as .................

New World Order. Same as the Cabal above.

Great Tribulation is defined as ...............

Jesus spoke of a Great Tribulation that would come at the end of this age prior to Jesus returning. This Great Tribulation would usher in the reign of the Anti-Christ over most (if not all) the world. Part of this Great Tribulation is the tyrannical Anti-Christ, but another part are the Judgements of God on the followers of said Anti-Christ (which will be the vast, vast majority of the world).

"“Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place—let the reader understand— then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get things out of his house. And whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. But woe to those women who are pregnant, and to those who are nursing babies in those days! Moreover, pray that when you flee, it will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will again" - Matthew 24:15-21 (NASB)

Rapture is defined as ..................

The gathering of the True-Believers when Jesus returns. The word "rapture" is not used in the Bible, but this gathering clearly is:

"Now we ask you, brothers and sisters, regarding the [a]coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him" 2 Thessalonians 2:1 (NASB)

"But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other." - Matthew 24:29-31 (NASB)



Let me know if there are other terms you'd like clarity on.


Also, for anyone who may be wondering: when I teach I almost exclusively use the KJV (there are occasions where I use another translation when it makes it easier to illustrate a point), however, I am using the New American Standard Bible (NASB) here as it is easier to read and understand for those who are unaccustomed to the language of the King James Version.

 

[Animalmother]

The biggest issue with religion is lack of personal responsibility/fatalism.

"It's in God/Allah/Xenu/Buddha/Flying spaghetti monsters hands!"

Get off your ass and take responsibility for your own future.

Back to the whole give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach him to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Think for yourself people.

Epic fail for the point you were trying to make.

 

[Fuzzydog]

Let me quote the verse in KJV, as it may make more sense:
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears"

Not enduring sound doctrine means that they turn away from Biblical teaching to non-Biblical. After their own "lusts" is talking about turning towards teachers that teach God is like a big piggy bank, ask Him for whatever you want and you'll get it. Basically the Joel Osteen and other "Prosperity gospel" preachers: "Name it and claim it!" These are not Biblical doctrines and actually have their roots in Eastern Mysticism.

It is true that whatever you focus on is what your subconscious mind works to give you, but no where in the Bible does it say to "focus on riches." Instead the Bible teaches to focus on God.



See my post above.

I am not worried about it; my purpose for discussing it is tri-fold:

1. Have a conversation with fellow believers that have a different view than my own to discuss the possibilities of how these prophecies may be fulfilled given the current events.

2. Bring greater awareness to current events that are clearly fulfilling prophecy.

3. Enlighten those who (believer or non) may have not heard or at least not studied any of this; so that as the events discussed to unfold, even if not exactly the way we thought they would, believers would be encouraged knowing that Christ is returning soon and non-believers might become believers.

Why is #3 important to you?

 

[bdkw1]

Epic fail for the point you were trying to make.

Really? Using your own scripture to emphasize a point?

Let's put that in modern terms.

Give a man welfare and he will sit on his ass forever.

Teach him how to make lots of money and he will go out and do it.

Meaning it's better to do it yourself than to wait around for someone to do it for you.

 

[45acp]

Also, atheism and agnosticism aren't ism's or religions.

Gotta disagree with this- I believe atheism is most definitely a religion.

Other than that, I support the "post wherever I want" mentality.