Current Events and Bible Prophecy

[MChat]

Why is #3 important to you?

By bringing current events into the light of the prophecies that are being fulfilled, we can get a better understanding of what is coming next. Additionally, highlighting current events that are fulfilling prophecy gives hope to the believers and also (hopefully) causes the non-believer to being to open up to the possibility that there might be something to this God / Bible thing.

 

[Fuzzydog]

By bringing current events into the light of the prophecies that are being fulfilled, we can get a better understanding of what is coming next. Additionally, highlighting current events that are fulfilling prophecy gives hope to the believers and also (hopefully) causes the non-believer to being to open up to the possibility that there might be something to this God / Bible thing.

I understand what you are saying but you haven't addressed why it is important to you that other people 'see the light' as you have. Why can't you just go about your own life happy in your beliefs, leaving others to have their own (dis)beliefs.
Particularly your last sentence. Why are you trying to cause the nonbelievers to open up to your beliefs?

 

[Tiha]

I understand what you are saying but you haven't addressed why it is important to you that other people 'see the light' as you have. Why can't you just go about your own life happy in your beliefs, leaving others to have their own (dis)beliefs.
Particularly your last sentence. Why are you trying to cause the nonbelievers to open up to your beliefs?

2 reasons for me,

One is the Bible in mathew 28:19 says go and teach.

Secondly, if you find something or someone who truly brings you joy wouldn't you want to shout it from the mountain tops? share the happiness?
Don't you want that joy and happiness for other people?

We believe we are trying to save people from the most terrible of pains that last for all of eternity.

 

[Animalmother]

Really? Using your own scripture to emphasize a point?

Let's put that in modern terms.

Give a man welfare and he will sit on his ass forever.

Teach him how to make lots of money and he will go out and do it.

Meaning it's better to do it yourself than to wait around for someone to do it for you.

Yeah well thats a lazy person problem not a problem with religion.

People use all sorts of excuses to be sacks of shit and shift blame off themselves when they look in a mirror.

 

[2big bronco]

So i very rarely put thought into religion, although i find this thread very interesting. My neighbor is big into bible prophesies and i respect his opinions so accasionally habev conversations about it.

So in the end of times scenario just being a good person is no longer good enough to ensure you go to heaven?

 

[dntsdad]

So i very rarely put thought into religion, although i find this thread very interesting. My neighbor is big into bible prophesies and i respect his opinions so accasionally habev conversations about it.

So in the end of times scenario just being a good person is no longer good enough to ensure you go to heaven?

No. God wants you to accept him publicly, and accept Him as your savior.

Adopted a bunch of stray dogs and being a good person isn't going to do it.

 

[MChat]

I wanted to expound on the concept I presented of the "Cabal" being "Mystery Babylon". I won't quote the entire chapter, but the relevant chapters are Revelation 17 and 18.

A few years ago, a read a book that argued that America (and specifically New York City) was Mystery Babylon, there were some good arguments for this, yet some things still didn't line up very well and other things didn't seem to fit at all.

Also a few years ago, unrelated to that book, I was watching some online sermons and the preacher was teaching on things that he had learned from a book by Alexander Hislop titled The Two Babylons. (I just yesterday purchased this book to read for myself). The premise of the book is to trace throughout history the religion of ancient Babylon (or Samaria) in particular the "gods and goddesses" of the ancient religion and how this religion evolved throughout the different ages and survived from empire to empire. I want to highlight one "goddess" in particular: Ishtar or as she is called in the Bible Ashtaroth; you may also know her from Greek and Roman mythology as Aphrodite or Venus.

Ashtaroth, also known as Lilith, was one of the main deities of the Amalekites and is one of the (primary) deities supposedly worshiped by the Cabal. The lie that is making it's rounds and is apparently what Luciferians believe is that she was Adam's first wife, but wouldn't "submit" to him and thus was "kicked out of Eden" and God made Adam a 2nd wife which was Eve. As I said, this is a lie, but the Cabal believes this; the Cabal also claim to be descendants of the Amalekites (I posted a link earlier). Basically their belief is that these Amalekites/Cabal are descendant from Lilith/Ashtaroth and are therefore a "different species" than the rest of humanity. Some have said that Hitler also had the same belief and the Aryan race is supposedly linked to this bloodline as well.

I believe the Bible does talk about fallen angels mating with "the daughters of men" and producing demonic offspring. So it is possible that these Amalekites (the Cabal) come from a Demonic bloodline. Whether or not that is actually true, the Cabal believes that it is true; they also believe that Lucifer is the true Creator and that Jehovah was created by Lucifer and is the one who rebelled. The bottom line is this Cabal believes that they have a different, better, bloodline than the "rest" of humanity and the rest of humanity needs to be culled hence their push for Genocide (e.g. the Holocaust), Eugenics, Planned Parenthood, Wars, and now apparently manufactured, enhanced, virus based bioweapons and the vaccines to go along with them.

Essentially, this Cabal has been hiding in the background, working behind the scenes throughout the millennia, worshiping Lucifer and Ashtaroth while pretending to be part of whatever the mainstream religion was at the time even taking control of it when possible (e.g. Medieval Catholicism). Rather than openly rule out in the light, they prefer to work in the shadows controlling things from behind the curtain while their King, Queen and now in the modern era Politician puppets do what they tell them to do. They are the "principalities, powers, and the rulers of the darkness." A Biblical example of this behind the scenes manipulation is the main antagonist in the story of Esther, a man by the name of Haman; an Amalekite who was a descendant of the King of the Amalekites Agag (whom Saul was supposed to destroy but didn't).

The rest of the Amalekites or Cabal apparently learned from Haman to stay hidden further back in the shadows pulling the strings of their puppets. And when things go awry, it is their puppets who pay the cost. Kings and Queens lose their heads, Politicians get voted out of power, Tyrants are violently removed from office and yet the Cabal remains calmly in charge working behind the scenes to enforce their agenda on the world. There is another book I just received titled The Genesis 6 Conspiracy (How Secret Societies and the Descendants of Giants Plan to Enslave Humankind). I'm sure I'll glean some interesting ideas from that book related to all of this as well.

Ok, so how does all of this relate to "Mystery Babylon"?

"I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, full of blasphemous names, having seven heads and ten horns. The woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold, precious stones, and pearls, holding in her hand a gold cup full of abominations and of the unclean things of her sexual immorality, and on her forehead a name was written, a mystery: 'BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.'" - Revelation 17:3-5 (NASB)

More than one Bible Scholar has identified this woman as Ashtaroth. She is seen here "riding" (having under her control) the beast with 7 heads (continents) and 10 horns (rulers). Revelation 17:12 says these "ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour" (one hour isn't necessarily an actual hour, but rather can mean "for a short time"). Additionally, in Revelation 17:16 we read "And the ten horns which you saw, and the beast, these will hate the prostitute and will make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and will burn her up with fire." So, if I am correct, when the Anti-Christ comes on the scene, these 10 Kings will come to power and together they will destroy Mystery Babylon (the Cabal).

Which brings us back to "Q", because if the Fall of the Cabal video is correct, then Q or whoever Q represents that takes down the Cabal would be the Anti-Christ.

In Revelation 18, we see the resulting destruction of Mystery Babylon, the Cabal. The entire world weeps and mourns as such a collapse also means a complete collapse of the world banking system, the Central Banks are controlled by the Cabal. Stock Exchanges around the world will fail, even real commodities will be lost with all of the systems used for buying and selling them laid to waste. Currencies of all kinds will become worthless overnight. The collapse of the Central Banking system will leave a giant hole to fill, yet this too is hinted at in the Fall of the Cabal video: Cyber-Currencies will replace it; or perhaps a specific Cyber/Crypto-Currency will, one that will require you to get micro-chipped in order to participate and without that micro-chip you will be unable to buy or sell because there will be no other currency.


Edited to add: One more thing that this ancient Babylonian religion was known for was it's temple prostitutes. Sexual fornication was and remains a part of the religious practices of those worshiping Baal (Lucifer) and Ashtaroth; this also fits in with the description of "Mystery Babylon" in Revelation 17. And if the Fall of the Cabal video is accurate, not only is it "acts of sexual immorality" but also pedophilia and human sacrifice, which were also elements of "worshiping" these false gods. The Bible says in Revelation 18:3 that "kings of the earth have committed acts of sexual immorality with her"; that sounds like Epstein's Island. Was it for blackmail or initiating these politicians into their Satanic rituals; probably both.


One more edit: To bring it back to NYC being "Mystery Babylon" NYC is where many of these extremely wealthy individuals "do business" as well as being the "seat" of the United Nations. As the Cabal falls, it is very possible that some very bad things will happen in NYC as a result. Even if it is simply the vacuum of "authority" that may come as a result of the collapse of the Cabal, the Central Banking System and the Stock Exchanges.

 

[MuntCuffin]

Believer here.

My feeble human mind aint capable of understanding God's plan or timeline.

As such, I've stopped worrying about if this is "the end" and try to focus on what I can improve.

I made my peace with Him and am getting right with Him. Beyond that, just gonna live life.

So i very rarely put thought into religion, although i find this thread very interesting. My neighbor is big into bible prophesies and i respect his opinions so accasionally habev conversations about it.

So in the end of times scenario just being a good person is no longer good enough to ensure you go to heaven?

He wants people with the balls to stand up for Him.

Sure, he could stand up for Himself and rain fire and brimstone old testament style, but like teaching a child to not succumb to peer pressure and societal stresses, sometimes humanity needs lessons to stay on track.

 

[dntsdad]

Legit question, why are Christians so obsessed/scared of the end times? Shouldn't they be dancing in the streets? Even as a kid I would wonder this, you should be praying for death everyday so you can get to paradise.

Asking as a former Catholic surround on one side by Jehovah's witnesses.

I skimmed what was written and plan to dig in on my next shit, looks interesting!!

Nobody wants to die, even most Christians. God created life to be enjoyed. To be cherished. All of the pleasures of life are for you to experience and with Him also in your heart, it makes all of those experiences even better. Love, happiness, etc. are all things that every person enjoys and instinctually craves. God WANTS you to crave those things and be happy in having them.

I understand what you are saying but you haven't addressed why it is important to you that other people 'see the light' as you have. Why can't you just go about your own life happy in your beliefs, leaving others to have their own (dis)beliefs.
Particularly your last sentence. Why are you trying to cause the nonbelievers to open up to your beliefs?

Much in the same way that you may take a troubled kid under your wing and show them "the path". It would be easy to ignore that person and not give them your guidance and experience BUT you want them to have more from life and to be safe, happy, and successful.

I think its the same sort of thing..........but different.

God wants you to be happy and love your life. Christians want the same so why wouldn't they share with you the main part of their life that brings them happiness and safety?


Someone can probably say all this better than I can. I am just on the bunny hill of my faith.

 

[MChat]

So in the end of times scenario just being a good person is no longer good enough to ensure you go to heaven?

It's never been about being "good enough." That is a common misconception. Our human nature is that we want to do it ourselves, but this is one case in which we are incapable.

"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." - James 2:10 (NASB)

But it's not just about "not sinning" as we were born sinners (we sin because Adam's nature was passed on to us)

"Therefore, just as through one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all mankind, because all sinned" - Romans 5:12 (NASB)

Yet the Good News* is that because God designed it so that by Adam's sin his descendants become sinners, it is also therefore designed that by "being adopted" by Christ, Jesus's Righteousness than can be passed on to us, the same way Adam's sin was.

"But the gracious gift is not like the offense. For if by the offense of the one [Adam] the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many." - Romans 5:15 (NASB)

Because of Christ's sacrifice on the cross, the penalty of sin (which is death) was paid in full. A debt you, I and every man owed, yet no man could pay was paid, in full, by Jesus.

"For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will hardly die for a righteous person; though perhaps for the good person someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." - Romans 5:6-8 (NASB)

And this is essentially what it means to be Christian: to recognize that you have failed, you "missed the mark" (this is the definition of sin), even if God didn't impute Adam's sin on you in the first place you would have "messed up" all on your own at some point (and as James 2:10 says, if you miss just one thing, you're guilty of all of it). The only recourse then is to throw yourself on the mercy of the court, to choose Jesus Christ as your Advocate (Lawyer) and be covered under the sacrifice He made.

"For Moses writes of the righteousness that is based on the Law, that the person who performs them will live by them. But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will go up into heaven?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), 7 or ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).” But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”" - Romans 10:5-13 (NASB)

I know some Christians have a "better than you" or "holier than thou" or "self-righteous" attitude. But if they are indeed "self-righteous" than they are just a lost as the lost tribes who have never heard the name Jesus Christ. We Christians are no better than anyone else, we all fail, we all falter, stumble from time to time. I personally struggle with pornography, a thorn in my side. I can also get angry (particularly in traffic) and yell out in anger. I therefore am no better, of my own accord, than any other man; however what makes me a Christian, is that I trust in Jesus Christ as my Advocate and I try to do my best, not because it will earn my way to Heaven, but because God deserves my best effort, He has already paid my debt, why would I intentionally increase that debt?



*Good News is the what the word "Gospel" means.

 

[49willys_mogon]

This is a tough one...

Hebrews 10:26-27 reads, "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries."

 

[Roc Doc]

How old is the Earth?

What happened to The Garden of Eden

What year was the great flood?

How did Noah get all the animals to behave?

We all know some species go extinct, but were there drastically fewer species at the time of the flood, and if so where did the new species come from post flood?

How come only 10 commandments?

Why does every major religion have a central figure and go out in a blaze of glory, (dead for 3 days, winged horse, etc.).

 

[Deleted Member]

How old is the Earth?

Exact number? I really don't know... If you just follow the text of scripture it would put you around 6500 -7000 years give or take. Lot's of opinions on this.

What happened to The Garden of Eden

Genesis says it was a land mass that was whole. Scientists refer to it as Pangaea. Also in Genesis is a recount of the flood that says the well springs of the deep broke forth and that the rains lasted 40 days and nights. The earth was drastically changed and reshaped... including the garden of Eden. This changed probably started prior to the flood imo, at the fall of man as well.

What year was the great flood?

There's also an account in Genesis of the genealogy from Adam to Noah. If you were to just take in account of that, the flood would have occurred around 4500 years ago. Or around 2450 B.C.

How did Noah get all the animals to behave?

For the lions it was a whip and a chair... and some scooby snacks and what not.

We all know some species go extinct, but were there drastically fewer species at the time of the flood, and if so where did the new species come from post flood?

I'm sure there were more species... some were hunted out, some didn't adapt to the new environment, some did... and thrived in accordance to their new habitats.

How come only 10 commandments?

Did we need more?

1. You shall have no other gods.
2. You shall not make idols.
3. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord.
4. Remember the Sabbath, keep it holy.
5. Honor your father and mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not lie.
10. You shall not covet.

Why does every major religion have a central figure and go out in a blaze of glory, (dead for 3 days, winged horse, etc.).

Not sure I would classify crucifixion as a blaze of glory...

 

[slowlygettingthere]

No. God wants you to accept him publicly, and accept Him as your savior.

Adopted a bunch of stray dogs and being a good person isn't going to do it.

So what is the definition of "publicly" ? Is there a certain number of people or a certain distance away from a "not public" place for it to be public?

 

[dntsdad]

So what is the definition of "publicly" ? Is there a certain number of people or a certain distance away from a "not public" place for it to be public?

Are you being obtuse or actually asking?

Publicly just means that so you letting your faith be known to others. You're proud. Not hiding it. Generally, you get baptized, invite your friends and family. I guess much like a wedding. You are proclaiming your dedication and devotion to that one person, publicly. In front of your friends and family. Now of course if you run off to Vegas to have Elvis marry you you are still married and in this case if your friends and family weren't present at a baptism, you would still have the church members present.

Basically, not just keeping it in your head and "pray" when you want to win the lottery or for your plane to land.

Back in those days to publicly proclaim your faith, you would put it on myspace since twitter wasn't around yet



Not an expert as I am just starting the road to baptism myself but that is the way I understand it. Obviously there are smarter people on this topic in this thread that can probably answer better.

 

[MChat]

Flecker did a good job of explaining, however let me add my hallucination:

How old is the Earth?

Based on Bible Timelines about 6000 years.

What happened to The Garden of Eden

The Garden of Eden was destroyed during the flood.

What year was the great flood?

About 4400-4500 years ago. It was immediately followed by the Ice Age. Dr. Walt Brown (a real scientist, worked for NASA) describes in detail "The Hydroplate Theory" which is an alternative theory to Plate Tectonics Theory. The Hydroplate theory describes in detail what likely happened during the flood. It also explains things that Plate Tectonics does not, nor does it have issues such as missing land masses and a necessary "growing" of the African continent (or shrinking it going back in time) by 40% in order to get it to fit in the Pangea model.

How did Noah get all the animals to behave?

A couple of things:

1 - God was present with Noah on the Ark.

"And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark" - Genesis 7:1 (KJV)

Where does God have to be to say "come in"?


2 - Death was not part of the original creation therefore all creatures were designed to be herbivores (including man).

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat." - Genesis 1:29 (KJV)

It wasn't until after the flood that man (and other animals) became omnivores or carnivores. It was also at this time that animals became afraid of man as well.

"And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things." - Genesis 9:2-3

We all know some species go extinct, but were there drastically fewer species at the time of the flood, and if so where did the new species come from post flood?

The biggest thing that we need to get a grasp on is that God doesn't classify animals the way that man does. Man is very inconsistent in his classification, for instance a Great Dane and a Pomeranian are the same species, yet two butterflies that look identical to you and I are classified as different species by entomologists.

The second thing is that micro-evolution, to a degree (which is the only observed version of Evolution) does exist. A kind of animal will produce after it's kind, but will not evolve into a different kind. Therefore all dogs, wolves, dingos and probably coyotes evolved (post flood) from a "dog like" kind of animal that was on Noah's ark. Same thing with cats, horses, cattle, etc... Because of the changes to the environment of the earth post flood, micro-evolution and the "survival of the fittest" as observed by Darwin did occur around the world, which gives us the variety of species (mans classification) within a kind (God's classification) of animal.

God's law is that each animal bring forth after it's own kind; that doesn't mean that there cannot be differences within a kind. Baraminology (yes, it's a real science with real degrees) is a science that works to understand this level of micro-evolution and also works to determine what the original "Created Kinds" were.

How come only 10 commandments?

The purpose of the law was to show man that he couldn't follow the law, not so that he could actually follow it for salvation. Ten was enough to show that. Heck, we couldn't even keep the first 4. The law was given then to show us the need for a Savior and then God provided Himself as that Savior.

"Why the Law then? It was added on account of the violations, having been ordered through angels at the hand of a mediator, until the Seed would come to whom the promise had been made. Now a mediator is not for one party only; but God is only one. Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? Far from it! For if a law had been given that was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law. But the Scripture has confined everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe." - Galatians 3:19-22 (NASB)

Why does every major religion have a central figure and go out in a blaze of glory, (dead for 3 days, winged horse, etc.).

The promise of a Savior was given at the beginning:

"And I will make enemies of you and the woman, and of your offspring and her Descendant; He shall bruise you on the head, and you shall bruise Him on the heel." - Genesis 3:15

God has never hidden His plans concerning the salvation of man; in fact the constellations in the stars were originally intended to convey His plan for salvation. Yet, Satan is a perverter and imitator of the truth. Satan perverted the meaning of the stars and created Astrology with its worthless Horoscopes.

Likewise Satan also created a "false messiah" (which became multiple "false messiahs") starting with Tammuz, Semiramis and Nimrod; which were ancient Samarian "gods" which had Tammuz "dying" and being "resurrected". From the story of these 3 false gods, nearly all other polytheistic religions are based (The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop details the evolution of this religion); that is where the majority of the "central figure that goes out in a blaze of glory" then comes from, including the Hindu's Krishna.

 

[MChat]

Are you being obtuse or actually asking?

Publicly just means that so you letting your faith be known to others. You're proud. Not hiding it. Generally, you get baptized, invite your friends and family. I guess much like a wedding. You are proclaiming your dedication and devotion to that one person, publicly. In front of your friends and family. Now of course if you run off to Vegas to have Elvis marry you you are still married and in this case if your friends and family weren't present at a baptism, you would still have the church members present.

Basically, not just keeping it in your head and "pray" when you want to win the lottery or for your plane to land.

Back in those days to publicly proclaim your faith, you would put it on myspace since twitter wasn't around yet



Not an expert as I am just starting the road to baptism myself but that is the way I understand it. Obviously there are smarter people on this topic in this thread that can probably answer better.

You pretty much nailed it:

"that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" - Romans 10:9 (NASB)

"For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when He comes in His glory and the glory of the Father and the holy angels." - Luke 9:26 (NASB)

 

[ExWrench]

Let me start by asking a favor from those here who are non-believers, be it agnostic, deist, atheist or some other religion: Please refrain from turning this thread into yet another battle between Christians and non-believers.

I feel the need to point out that calling non-Christians "non-believers" is elitist and ****y.
Non-Christians may believe in your God, other gods, or just straight-up science; but not Jesus.
They're not "non-believers", they just believe something else.

Carry on with your discussion of relevance of the "science non-believer" handbook. <-- SEE? ****Y!

Just had to point out that your opening sentence is intended to be belittling to those who don't believe as you do.

 

[MuntCuffin]

I feel the need to point out that calling non-Christians "non-believers" is elitist and ****y.
Non-Christians may believe in your God, other gods, or just straight-up science; but not Jesus.
They're not "non-believers", they just believe something else.

Carry on with your discussion of relevance of the "science non-believer" handbook. <-- SEE? ****Y!

Stop being such a sensitive little bitch.

 

[ExWrench]

Stop being such a sensitive little bitch.

Sensitive how? Or are you just being edgy?

I was neither offended nor injured, merely trying to help OP be less divisive in the words he chooses - isn't that the Christian thing to do?

 

[MChat]

I feel the need to point out that calling non-Christians "non-believers" is elitist and ****y.
Non-Christians may believe in your God, other gods, or just straight-up science; but not Jesus.
They're not "non-believers", they just believe something else.

Carry on with your discussion of relevance of the "science non-believer" handbook. <-- SEE? ****Y!

Just had to point out that your opening sentence is intended to be belittling to those who don't believe as you do.

Point taken. In the context of the thread, I assumed that everyone would understand "non-believer" to mean someone who does not believe in the Bible or in the God of the Bible (a.k.a. Jehovah); it was not intended to be insulting in any way. However I do have a belief that the meaning of communication is not what you say, but the response you get, and I also believe that people respond based on their "map of reality" not to mine; therefore if you sleep better at night if I refer to you as non-Christian, then I will do so.

Or were you just trying to find a way to be insulted?

 

[slowlygettingthere]

Are you being obtuse or actually asking?

Publicly just means that so you letting your faith be known to others. You're proud. Not hiding it. Generally, you get baptized, invite your friends and family. I guess much like a wedding. You are proclaiming your dedication and devotion to that one person, publicly. In front of your friends and family. Now of course if you run off to Vegas to have Elvis marry you you are still married and in this case if your friends and family weren't present at a baptism, you would still have the church members present.

Basically, not just keeping it in your head and "pray" when you want to win the lottery or for your plane to land.

Back in those days to publicly proclaim your faith, you would put it on myspace since twitter wasn't around yet



Not an expert as I am just starting the road to baptism myself but that is the way I understand it. Obviously there are smarter people on this topic in this thread that can probably answer better.

Well both. Just wondering what the answer was going to be out of morbid curiosity.

 

[dntsdad]

Point taken. In the context of the thread, I assumed that everyone would understand "non-believer" to mean someone who does not believe in the Bible or in the God of the Bible (a.k.a. Jehovah); it was not intended to be insulting in any way. However I do have a belief that the meaning of communication is not what you say, but the response you get, and I also believe that people respond based on their "map of reality" not to mine; therefore if you sleep better at night if I refer to you as non-Christian, then I will do so.

Or were you just trying to find a way to be insulted?

Obviously this. Otherwise, why even post that?

He knew what you meant but being anti- is cool sometimes.

There is a vast difference in anti- vs. non- and he knows it.

I will pray for you!!

 

[dntsdad]

Well both. Just wondering what the answer was going to be out of morbid curiosity.

Fair enough.

Hope I was able to answer.

I guess look at it like this. You have a wife/girlfriend and she "loves" you but wont tell her friends and family about you, only sees you alone and wont go into public with you to eat, shop, see a movie, etc.

God doesn't want you to hide your love for Him like you would probably wouldn't want this lady to hide hers for you (or be ashamed or embarrassed by it).

Good luck if you are GodCurious

 

[MuntCuffin]

Sensitive how? Or are you just being edgy?

I was neither offended nor injured, merely trying to help OP be less divisive in the words he chooses - isn't that the Christian thing to do?

No. Christians make a very clear and divisive edge when they accept Christ as their lord and savior. And thats a divisive edge true Christians will not waiver on.

Stop being such a sensitive bitch. Fucking "divisive words" butthurt progressive ass bullshit.

 

[49willys_mogon]

Applying the Science of Probability to the Scriptures

Do statistics prove the Bible’s supernatural origin?

christinprophecy.org

 

[slowlygettingthere]

Fair enough.

Hope I was able to answer.

I guess look at it like this. You have a wife/girlfriend and she "loves" you but wont tell her friends and family about you, only sees you alone and wont go into public with you to eat, shop, see a movie, etc.

God doesn't want you to hide your love for Him like you would probably wouldn't want this lady to hide hers for you (or be ashamed or embarrassed by it).

Good luck if you are GodCurious

True. But if your hitting it right she probably wouldn't have a problem with it. Guess if you "love" god but don't want to tell anyone. He needs to step up his "hitting it" game?


No I would not say I am curious. I just like to understand different peoples perspectives on that sorta thing.

 

[ExWrench]

Point taken. In the context of the thread, I assumed that everyone would understand "non-believer" to mean someone who does not believe in the Bible or in the God of the Bible (a.k.a. Jehovah); it was not intended to be insulting in any way. However I do have a belief that the meaning of communication is not what you say, but the response you get, and I also believe that people respond based on their "map of reality" not to mine; therefore if you sleep better at night if I refer to you as non-Christian, then I will do so.

Or were you just trying to find a way to be insulted?

Not insulted at all, I assure you. It was entirely from the "words mean things" perspective, ambiguity being the enemy of universal understanding.

It was unclear if you meant non-believers in:

• God
• Jesus
• Jesus has already been on earth
• The Bible
  • And which Bible
  • Or Torah
  • Or Quran (sp?)
  • Or Scriptures
• Heaven
• Hell
• Reincarnation
• Saints
• Angels

Because I've met folks who believe in God who are not Christians, but they're believers.
Assuming you're not "holier-than-thou", diplomacy dictates not disparaging other's beliefs.

I wasn't here to start shit in your thread - carry on

 

[Ted_Kaczynski]

You guys realize OP is using all of you for his business development. He needs to iron out all of the parts of the story being asked about before he gets on stage using the story to put people in a trance for their $$$$.

 

[ExWrench]

No. Christians make a very clear and divisive edge when they accept Christ as their lord and savior. And thats a divisive edge true Christians will not waiver on.

Stop being such a sensitive bitch. Fucking "divisive words" butthurt progressive ass bullshit.

I was merely pointing out the implied intolerance of some Christians.

The practical example you provided more than accomplished it - thanks

OK, now I hope to leave this thread alone, out of respectful indifference.