“Brophy Jeep” Street Legal Ultra4 4500 class CJ6

[Rockchump]

How bout a factroy option? Probably has a warranty too.

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Here's the parts list..... 1004hp / 876ft/lbs Runs on pump gas.

TECH SPECS
Part Number: 19432060
Engine Type: Chevy Tall-Deck Big-Block V-8
Displacement (cu in): 632
Bore x Stroke (in / mm): 4.600 x 4.750
Block (P/N 19366599): Cast iron Bowtie with 4-bolt main caps – tall deck
Crankshaft (P/N 19366600): Forged 4340 steel
Connecting Rods (P/N 19432392): Forged steel H-beam
Pistons (P/N 19366601): Forged aluminum 2618 alloy
Intake Manifold (P/N 19366614): Aluminum high-rise single-plane
Throttle Body (P/N 19366624): 4500-style
Fuel Injectors (P/N 19432057): 86-lb/hr
Camshaft Type (P/N 19432531): Billet steel hydraulic roller
Valve Lift (in): 0.780 intake / 0.782 exhaust
Camshaft Duration (@ 0.050 in): 270º intake / 285º exhaust
Cylinder Heads (P/N 19431810): Aluminum spread-port; 70cc chambers – RS-X design
Valve Size (in): 2.450 intake / 1.800 exhaust, titanium (5/16-in stem OD)
Ignition Type: 58X crank-triggered, coil-near-plug
Compression Ratio: 12.0:1 (nominal)
Rocker Arms (P/N 19431272): Forged aluminum; roller-style
Rocker Arm Ratio: 1.8:1 (shaft-mount)
Water Pump (P/N 14058915): Aluminum
Oil Pan (P/N 19366604): Steel 8-quart
Recommended Fuel: Premium pump (93 octane or higher)
Maximum Recommended RPM: 7,000 rpm
Balanced: Internal


Substitute the iron block for an aluminum one to save some weight and away you go. GM spent years developing this engine.

Exactly. $32k.

Power	1,004 hp @ 6600 rpm
Torque	876 lb-ft @ 5600 rpm

 

[Bebop]

How bout a factroy option? Probably has a warranty too.

ZZ632/1000 Chevrolet Performance Big Block

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Here's the parts list..... 1004hp / 876ft/lbs Runs on pump gas.

TECH SPECS
Part Number: 19432060
Engine Type: Chevy Tall-Deck Big-Block V-8
Displacement (cu in): 632
Bore x Stroke (in / mm): 4.600 x 4.750
Block (P/N 19366599): Cast iron Bowtie with 4-bolt main caps – tall deck
Crankshaft (P/N 19366600): Forged 4340 steel
Connecting Rods (P/N 19432392): Forged steel H-beam
Pistons (P/N 19366601): Forged aluminum 2618 alloy
Intake Manifold (P/N 19366614): Aluminum high-rise single-plane
Throttle Body (P/N 19366624): 4500-style
Fuel Injectors (P/N 19432057): 86-lb/hr
Camshaft Type (P/N 19432531): Billet steel hydraulic roller
Valve Lift (in): 0.780 intake / 0.782 exhaust
Camshaft Duration (@ 0.050 in): 270º intake / 285º exhaust
Cylinder Heads (P/N 19431810): Aluminum spread-port; 70cc chambers – RS-X design
Valve Size (in): 2.450 intake / 1.800 exhaust, titanium (5/16-in stem OD)
Ignition Type: 58X crank-triggered, coil-near-plug
Compression Ratio: 12.0:1 (nominal)
Rocker Arms (P/N 19431272): Forged aluminum; roller-style
Rocker Arm Ratio: 1.8:1 (shaft-mount)
Water Pump (P/N 14058915): Aluminum
Oil Pan (P/N 19366604): Steel 8-quart
Recommended Fuel: Premium pump (93 octane or higher)
Maximum Recommended RPM: 7,000 rpm
Balanced: Internal


Substitute the iron block for an aluminum one to save some weight and away you go. GM spent years developing this engine.

So this engine isn't in any ultra4 racer nor TT anywhere.
Has been out for 2 years at least.

Is everyone stupid?

 

[mobil1syn]

They are running the LS stuff at the ragged edge with 490”-501” cast aluminum and iron LSXR with tall deck and raised cam centers etc. At that point I’d argue that big block is more bang for the buck.

I’ve played with numbers and it’s really close. But there are a half dozen guys now running big blocks.
Jason scherer BBF, jason Blanton BBF nick nelson BBF Loren Healey BBF I think Shannon Campbell BBC and a few others.

900hp from a 540” BBC on 91 octane all day not stressed.

3 of the those guys have a shot at the podium every time the line up, the price tag on their motor package is the same be it a BB or not.

a 525 ls3 is plenty of motor for 98% of the field in u4 and for the cost it is hard to beat. now looking at a similar package the only thing that kinda makes sense is the 7.3 from ford, but that comes with a learning curve since they are not common yet and in stock form are under the 500hp mark.

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That's not really true. At 900hp an LS is running on the ragged edge in N/A form and is going to be pricey to maintain for a season.

900hp is expensive no matter which way you slice it.

They putting big blocks in TT's now, I honestly have no idea?

all the competitive/big money guys are running them

Feature Vehicle Archives - race-deZert.com start poking around here and youll see patton, kroyer, dougan, joe gibss, - you are not getting a motor from those guys unless you know someone. danzio who does horshels motors will take your money as a walk in


i stand by my original comment that it takes cubic dollars to make cubic inches if we are comparing apples to apples. i will say owning something with a big block is on my todo list, but i am not going to lie to myself saying its going to be cheap unless i want it to just make noise and no power.

 

[Rockchump]

3 of the those guys have a shot at the podium every time the line up, the price tag on their motor package is the same be it a BB or not.

a 525 ls3 is plenty of motor for 98% of the field in u4 and for the cost it is hard to beat. now looking at a similar package the only thing that kinda makes sense is the 7.3 from ford, but that comes with a learning curve since they are not common yet and in stock form are under the 500hp mark.

LS376/525 6.2L LS3 Engine 525 HP

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900hp is expensive no matter which way you slice it.



all the competitive/big money guys are running them

Feature Vehicle Archives - race-deZert.com start poking around here and youll see patton, kroyer, dougan, joe gibss, - you are not getting a motor from those guys unless you know someone. danzio who does horshels motors will take your money as a walk in


i stand by my original comment that it takes cubic dollars to make cubic inches if we are comparing apples to apples. i will say owning something with a big block is on my todo list, but i am not going to lie to myself saying its going to be cheap unless i want it to just make noise and no power.

It’s become an arms race for HP in the 4800/4400
Class. Especially in the short course. I know of one team that would change motors for KOH to a more mild LS7 based engine and then run a full kill big boy for short course races.

I think that the ford 7.3 will be the next “IT” motor once the aftermarket catches up. I know of one 505” billet block out there.
Once there
Are some affordable cast aluminum options I think a lot of people Will switch!!

Most people’s talent don’t go beyond the 550hp mark. lol.

Most of the money in those motors is the peace of mind that you get with them. And yes everything
Is expensive. I think the N/A limit of LS is near its max while maintaining reliability.

Thanks everyone for chiming in. I know it’s a side bar but it’s cool to throw the info out there.

 

[Rockchump]

I’ve been doing some thinking and comparing. I’ve been going back and fourth on PCI or Rugged or sourcing everything used or individually and trying to program myself.
I’ve had more dealing with PCI racing in Mexico and stateside Best in the desert stuff. I feel like they might have a better intercom.
Not that rugged has a bad product but I’m not sure if it’s the same quality. Rugged has great track side support too. Either way I think I’d be more than taken care of. But if I’m paying full boat which I’ll like be I think I’m giving my money to PCI.

 

[Rockchump]

Sometime last year I came up on a deal on one of these axles. It’s a Dexter 10k with oil bath bearing and dually. The plan was once the jeep was done to build one with that axle similar to this for the jeep. Hauling the enclosed to the spillway or parking places is a pain. Plus the end game is to get a 4wheel drive pop up cab over and do some trails in surrounding states and maybe even as far as Colorado and black hills South Dakota. Those trips I’ll probably use the enclosed but for anything Reno to rubicon or fordyce this will be the go to trailer. This is Fred’s. He bought it already built. He loves it.

 

[Rockchump]

Probably going to use one of these on the air cleaner to make removing quickly easier in as i need to get to anything under it. This is a cheap one but an aqauintence of Mr mine makes a really nice 1/4 turn one but I’m curious if dust and mud would gum up the locking assembly on that one

 

[Rockchump]

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These are really nice and USA made. The are a 1/4 turn twist lock.

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

So this engine isn't in any ultra4 racer nor TT anywhere.
Has been out for 2 years at least.

Is everyone stupid?

Racers are thick headed and WILL NOT switch a freakin thing on their cars until they get beat by one, then they WILL ALL have them in their cars too.


Every circle track racer in the country that was running a high strung 358ci motor that was close to $30k and fought like hell to keep the crate motor rule from being a thing and when it did guess what happened....... Those POS crate motors with hydraulic roller cams that could only rev to 6500 had everyone turning faster lap times than they were previously because the engines weren't strung out and hard to modulate. Funny how that worked out, isn't it.

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

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These are really nice and USA made. The are a 1/4 turn twist lock.

I watched a Youtube video on those a few days ago from Camron Johnson Race Cars and those clamps are badass! No tools needed and they allow for a few degrees of movement without leaking. Very nice stuff

 

[arse_sidewards]

I watched a Youtube video on those a few days ago from Camron Johnson Race Cars and those clamps are badass! No tools needed and they allow for a few degrees of movement without leaking. Very nice stuff

Why? The problem that is trying to solve (misalignment, vibration and thermal expansion) is already solved and has been for 100yr by groove lock clamps.

If someone wanted to do a decent size run of them in aluminum or stamped stainless (already exists but I've never seen a tool-less version in stamped stainless) they could probably get the price well under $20ea The rubber gaskets are already available in tons of materials for chemical compatibility. Heck, it might even weigh less because the design benefits from 100yr of figuring out how to make it cheaper.

 

[Bebop]

Why? The problem that is trying to solve (misalignment, vibration and thermal expansion) is already solved and has been for 100yr by groove lock clamps.

If someone wanted to do a decent size run of them in aluminum or stamped stainless (already exists but I've never seen a tool-less version in stamped stainless) they could probably get the price well under $20ea The rubber gaskets are already available in tons of materials for chemical compatibility. Heck, it might even weigh less because the design benefits from 100yr of figuring out how to make it cheaper.

That shit is heavy and requires tools to remove.

 

[arse_sidewards]

That shit is heavy

Like I said, someone who wanted to cater to the race crowd could easily make them out of aluminum for far, far, far less than $100 a pop. They already make stamped stainless ones that are pretty light (though I omitted them because I've never seen one that was a hinged tool-less design).

and requires tools to remove.

Are you blind?

See this lever?

See this wing nut?

 

[Bebop]

I am blind.
Also I was looking at the 2 other images.

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

Why? The problem that is trying to solve (misalignment, vibration and thermal expansion) is already solved and has been for 100yr by groove lock clamps.

If someone wanted to do a decent size run of them in aluminum or stamped stainless (already exists but I've never seen a tool-less version in stamped stainless) they could probably get the price well under $20ea The rubber gaskets are already available in tons of materials for chemical compatibility. Heck, it might even weigh less because the design benefits from 100yr of figuring out how to make it cheaper.

CJRC builds the baddest door cars on the planet where money is no object. If there was something better in the way of charge pipe clamps he'd be using them. He's using them on Cleetus's new 69 Camaro radial car.

They need movement in charge pipes because 5000hp Pro Line Hemi's have a tendency to want to twist chassis on the launch and those clamps keep the charge tube from cracking.

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

Arse wants to use concrete pipe clamps on a $500,000 race car that's full of titanium.

 

[arse_sidewards]

CJRC builds the baddest door cars on the planet where money is no object. If there was something better in the way of charge pipe clamps he'd be using them. He's using them on Cleetus's new 69 Camaro radial car.

You can justify anything if money is no object.

Bling factor also matters in situations like that, more than it matters to some guy who just needs a leak free pipe to his rear rad in his ultra4 car.

They need movement in charge pipes because 5000hp Pro Line Hemi's have a tendency to want to twist chassis on the launch and those clamps keep the charge tube from cracking.

Groove lock clamps are meant for movement. That's the whole point of using them over unions. They're used for stuff like rubber mounted process equipment that shakes or wide temp swings that cause substantial change in length. I'm personally familiar with them from industrial steam shit.

Arse wants to use concrete pipe clamps on a $500,000 race car that's full of titanium.

You live in fucking oil and chemical country. If the only time you see these clamps is on concrete shit it's because you're fuckin blind. They get used for all sorts of shit, especially quick change stuff.

 

[arse_sidewards]

Apparently aluminum ones already exist and they're actually decently priced.

Light and simple:

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The fancy but heavy one that isn't actually any cheaper than the race car bling.

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And they make weld on ends in aluminum.

 

[Bebop]

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Cheaper and lighter

 

[arse_sidewards]

Cheaper and lighter

That seems like a good middle ground for something like charge piping. I wonder how much misalignment it can take since it only uses O-rings.

 

[Bebop]

That seems like a good middle ground for something like charge piping.

Yep, that's exactly what they're used for, most of the time.

The other option is the full wiggins deal, but $$$$$

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

Yep, that's exactly what they're used for, most of the time.

The other option is the full wiggins deal, but $$$$$

Top end Wiggins is exactly what CJRC is using on Cleetus's car.

 

[Ranch Hand]

This is obviously a job for oilfield hammer unions. They're stylish too.

 

[gt1guy]

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These are really nice and USA made. The are a 1/4 turn twist lock.

$150 is a lot less that a 4" Wiggens clamp, which is $300.

 

[Rockchump]

Damn I missed a lot!! lol. Another great debate.
To be clear it’s for an N/A intake pipe. The reason is to make removal to knock off dust on side of trail or access coils or throttle body or nape sensor easier with out having to undo hose clamps. No boost on the is car ever. Wiggins are rad but one of those things where they are not the only horse in that stable. The one I posted from Amazon works similar to the Wiggins but has parts that can fall off and get lost in dirt/sand silt. The alpha lock stays with the piping so nothing to loose. But I worried about silt or mud gumming up in the threads.

 

[smracing]

Yep, that's exactly what they're used for, most of the time.

The other option is the full wiggins deal, but $$$$$

That what we have always used on the turbo cars.

 

[Rockchump]

I ended ordering these to try out.

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[gt1guy]

Yep, that's exactly what they're used for, most of the time.

The other option is the full wiggins deal, but $$$$$

Did you weld that to the TB?

 

[Rockchump]

PCI started their sand season sale and ordered the radio and coms. I opted to go for the one that wasn’t full race car with driver isolation as I will be trail Wheeling this thing the majority of the time. I did grab some head sets since the exhaust will be pretty loud and my girlfriend has weird sensitivity to some sounds and frequencies. I did grab the filter to combat alternator noise too. I got the kenwood radio. I opted for the blue tooth and DSR as well for trail tunes.

 

[Rockchump]

Did you weld that to the TB?

You have to! Any silicone hose in a boosted car is a liability. Same with turbo side. You wouldn’t use dental floss to connect 2 pieces of chain! lol.