arse_sidewards
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Alec Baldwin Shot a Lady
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WaterH
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Actors don't get trusted to drive when shooting a scene. They are also not expected to know anything about guns. They do get paid to point a gun at someone and pull a trigger on purpose and expect there will be zero real life consequences for it. Hence why there is an armorer involved.
You’re showing us what can be done. If you want to tell us that they never film with a real car, your full of shit.
If someone swung around and shot someone with that machine gun, they would be charged. Doesn't matter if a guy was behind them or not.
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Firstram
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Sitcoms generally use green screens and shake the camera.
On a feature, we’ll build airbag rigs and/or motivate the cars by hand, it’s called “poor man’s process”
On a feature with a real budget, hydraulic motion bases are programmed to match the movement of the displayed video.
It all comes down to the budget. If the 2nd option is done well, you’ll never be able to tell they weren’t driving!
Sandy Johnson
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Not with the real actor driving.
Yes, it was also a knock at other movies before it with hideously unrealistic driving scenes.
Sandy Johnson
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Well that's the thing- actors live a world of make believe. They literally get paid to swing around, point a machine gun at people, and pull the trigger on purpose trusting that the worst it's going to do is make noise.
So while it would normally be murderous to point a gun at someone and start shooting, reality is a bit different with an actor on a movie set. All they do every day is play pretend while other people help them.
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A 9-Year-Old at a Shooting Range, a Spraying Uzi and Outrage (Published 2014)
After a girl from New Jersey accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range in Arizona, her parents’ cellphone video caused a worldwide spectacle.
The only difference, the person who was responsible for that gun and the person using it paid for his error with his life.
Roc Doc
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Hitchcock movies were like that. Cary Grant sawing away at the wheel, while the road and scenery is behind the car, a convertible usually and the fem with perfect hair.
Roc Doc
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I imagine that family has some issues now.A 9-Year-Old at a Shooting Range, a Spraying Uzi and Outrage (Published 2014)
After a girl from New Jersey accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range in Arizona, her parents’ cellphone video caused a worldwide spectacle.www.nytimes.com
The only difference, the person who was responsible for that gun and the person using it paid for his error with his life.
Ranch Hand
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A 9-Year-Old at a Shooting Range, a Spraying Uzi and Outrage (Published 2014)
After a girl from New Jersey accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range in Arizona, her parents’ cellphone video caused a worldwide spectacle.
The only difference, the person who was responsible for that gun and the person using it paid for his error with his life.
Why in the hell would you give a small kid a full auto submachine gun and not keep your hand on it? You'd think that'd be range officer 101.
arse_sidewards
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I don't buy budget arguments when a flat tow bar costs less than $100
Gotta love those, once mistakes.
Not legal ones.
Firstram
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Real cars are used everyday. All background cars are driven by hired stuntmen or members of the transportation department. Any lengthy scenes showing an actor driving is faked. Even pulling into the driveway and hopping out safely is too much to ask for from some actors. Stunt driver and CGI face replacement is more common than you think
Of course they could captain obvious. Fortunately most (movie rental) automatic weapons have been modified to cycle on 1/4 or 1/2 load blanks. You would need to press the muzzle against someone’s head to do it but, it’s possible.
A helicopter pilot deciding to show off to some hot young thing. Let’s say he tries a barrel roll and crashes into the sorority house, could he be charged with murder too?
Proposing ridiculous scenarios you pull out of your ass must have been your major in community college
Roc Doc
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And in the case of Uzi's, the smaller the frame the faster they run, 1200 rounds per minute from a Micro will deplete a 25 or 32 round stick mag in no time. I've shot a Thompson, and it was almost uncontrolable unless you shot it in bursts, but those guys at HK got it wired, a full auto MP5 is probably the most fun gun I've shot.
Sandy Johnson
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I second that. It was so easy to shoot that it made my crappy shooting self feel like a badass.
Firstram
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You might not be considering the cameras, 3 camera people, grip and electric, the generator for the lights and air conditioning, the Director, the DP, a van full of hair and makeup, a PA to hand out snacks, a stake bed towing a 2 place bathroom.
It may take more than just a tow bar
What about when your Dr caresses both of your shoulders while checking your prostate?
Ranch Hand
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I worked on a lawn mowing crew in high school. I described it as a highly evolved procedure for each lawn. Dad's response, "A ten-man lawn crew: two coming, two going, two shitting, two mowing, the foreman and me."
Sandy Johnson
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Its almost like you have some experience in that industry or something...You might not be considering the cameras, 3 camera people, grip and electric, the generator for the lights and air conditioning, the Director, the DP, a van full of hair and makeup, a PA to hand out snacks, a stake bed towing a 2 place bathroom.
It may take more than just a tow bar
Its almost like you have some experience in that industry or something...
even more than Arse and Taterhead combined? Unpossible 
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Laughs in the original 'Gone in Sixty Seconds'.
Or Dax Shepard in Hit and Run
- but the few exceptions don't make actors doing real things anywhere near a common occurrence.
Firstram
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There’s an old photo from a movie set in the 30’s? A guy on a platform is shooting a Tommy Gun at an actor hiding behind the corner of a building! It’s rare for actors to be in harm’s way or given a chance to harm someone else.Or Dax Shepard in Hit and Run
Yep, if Hit and Run hadn't been an independent film, there's little chance he'd have done his own stunts. I have no clue how he was allowed to do his own bike tricks in CHIPs, but it was cool that he did 'em.
WaterH
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Real cars are used everyday. All background cars are driven by hired stuntmen or members of the transportation department. Any lengthy scenes showing an actor driving is faked. Even pulling into the driveway and hopping out safely is too much to ask for from some actors. Stunt driver and CGI face replacement is more common than you think
Of course they could captain obvious. Fortunately most (movie rental) automatic weapons have been modified to cycle on 1/4 or 1/2 load blanks. You would need to press the muzzle against someone’s head to do it but, it’s possible.
A helicopter pilot deciding to show off to some hot young thing. Let’s say he tries a barrel roll and crashes into the sorority house, could he be charged with murder too?
Proposing ridiculous scenarios you pull out of your ass must have been your major in community college
The point is, if an actor drives a real car, he is responsible. I don’t care if they have safety guy there. If he doesn’t drive, they have a stuntman or fake it. If AB doesn’t know the first thing about guns, he should have a stuntman or fake the shot with CGI. If he uses areal gun, he is responsible. You come off sounding like a gun control advocate saying the gun was at fault.
Firstram
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Fuck no, AB is responsible as a producer for hiring an un qualified armorer and as an actor for aiming directly at someone with out checking the weapon. You should always aim slightly away, the camera can’t see the difference!
Millions of rounds have been safely fired on films by following the rules. Part of my job is rigging bullet hits on people and things and we follow protocol that has been proven safe. When we rig things, we are responsible and in charge during our involvement. We will absolutely shut things down at the first sign of a problem on our end.
No one ever remembers the things you got right!
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If the gun wasnt loaded he could have pulled the trigger all day and it would have never hurt much less killed anyone unless he beat them over the head with it.
When driving a car you can kill or hurt someone very easily. Not the same.
The armorer should have made sure the gun was not loaded. They are the one at fault, it was their responsibility. AB is a dick for sure but not the one that needs to fry for this.
When driving a car you can kill or hurt someone very easily. Not the same.
The armorer should have made sure the gun was not loaded. They are the one at fault, it was their responsibility. AB is a dick for sure but not the one that needs to fry for this.
Roc Doc
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You might not be considering the cameras, 3 camera people, grip and electric, the generator for the lights and air conditioning, the Director, the DP, a van full of hair and makeup, a PA to hand out snacks, a stake bed towing a 2 place bathroom.
It may take more than just a tow bar
Fool! Arse knows all.
One more nickle if you wish.