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Alec Baldwin Shot a Lady

Socsmm6 said:
If the gun wasnt loaded he could have pulled the trigger all day and it would have never hurt much less killed anyone unless he beat them over the head with it.
When driving a car you can kill or hurt someone very easily. Not the same.
The armorer should have made sure the gun was not loaded. They are the one at fault, it was their responsibility. AB is a dick for sure but not the one that needs to fry for this.
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You can drive a car all day long and not hurt anyone. Any adult knows that a car or a gun can kill. If you don’t know how to drive you shouldn’t drive. If you don’t know anything about guns, you shouldnt be pulling a trigger.
 
WaterH said:
If you don’t know anything about guns, you shouldnt be pulling a trigger.
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That's why movie productions involving guns have this job title called "armorer" - that person is responsible for ensuring that the actors (who don't need to know shit except acting) won't be dangerous when handling guns. Do you think Arnold Schwarzenegger learned to fly a Harrier jet to make the movie True Lies? :homer:

Jesus Christ, dude - you're trolling at this point, right? :confused:
 
ExWrench said:
That's why movie productions involving guns have this job title called "armorer" - that person is responsible for ensuring that the actors (who don't need to know shit except acting) won't be dangerous when handling guns. Do you think Arnold Schwarzenegger learned to fly a Harrier jet to make the movie True Lies? :homer:

Jesus Christ, dude - you're trolling at this point, right? :confused:
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Are you thinking they used a real harrier? If there was a real harrier on set, I bet they had a real pilot to do anything with it. They didn’t have a pilot standing off to the side saying “pull that lever, but not the whole way”.

I maybe trolling, but I truly believe AB should be convicted or manslaughter at the very least.
 
WaterH said:
I maybe trolling, but I truly believe AB should be convicted or manslaughter at the very least.
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I believe AB should be given the maximum penalty available for willfully hiring a sub-par armorer and having lax safety precautions on the set for which he was responsible as the producer.

As the shooter, he is not directly liable because he was under the "supervision" of a set armorer.

Words mean things, especially in a court of law - sorry, but life is unfair like that :laughing:
 
arse_sidewards said:
Remind me,
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Fuck you; I don't owe you any of my time :flipoff2:


arse_sidewards said:
are you one of the people who's invariably in the "hurr durr that doesn't matter" camp whenever I nitpick language? :flipoff2:
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Not of which I'm aware. Feel free to waste your own time chasing down an example and I'll be glad to spend 3 seconds evaluating it and responding.
 
WaterH said:
Are you thinking they used a real harrier? If there was a real harrier on set, I bet they had a real pilot to do anything with it. They didn’t have a pilot standing off to the side saying “pull that lever, but not the whole way”.

I maybe trolling, but I truly believe AB should be convicted or manslaughter at the very least.
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They did have a real harrier on set, they didin't have a pilot fly it for Arnold's scenes, but I'll bet you all the marbles in my marble collection they did have a guy make sure there were no bullets in the cannon before they let Arnold sit in it and get swing around by a crane...

 
Somebody be ded...

It irks me whether or not her life was worth nothing if for a movie set employee doing scratch time in the pokey.

What if Halyna was your sister, your wife...
 
ExWrench said:
I believe AB should be given the maximum penalty available for willfully hiring a sub-par armorer...
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Has DEI hire been mentioned yet? The "armorer" was just enjoying playing the part and didn't have the balls to actually enforce the rules of the job.
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trampas said:
Somebody be ded...

It irks me whether or not her life was worth nothing if for a movie set employee doing scratch time in the pokey.

What if Halyna was your sister, your wife...
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Even if you don't care about the human part of this, at a minimum you should care that someone is dead because the most very basic gun safety rules that many of us learned and have practiced since we were young kids weren't followed. The people who want to take your guns will point to situations like this and say even a trained professional isn't enough to prevent an accidental gun death. This will be used against responsible gun owners like anything else.
 
Motorcharge said:
Even if you don't care about the human part of this, at a minimum you should care that someone is dead because the most very basic gun safety rules that many of us learned and have practiced since we were young kids weren't followed. The people who want to take your guns will point to situations like this and say even a trained professional isn't enough to prevent an accidental gun death. This will be used against responsible gun owners like anything else.
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Oh i get the long term implications, wholly.

And you must've missed where i implied it saddened me that someone was killed... which is the position i've taken in this thread from the beginning.
 
trampas said:
What if Halyna was your sister, your wife...
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AB would be at room temperature & I'd most likely be getting fucked in prison unless I calmed down enough to be smart & get away with it.

Ranch Hand said:
Has DEI hire been mentioned yet? The "armorer" was just enjoying playing the part and didn't have the balls to actually enforce the rules of the job.
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This was less an ESG-improving decision & more a "make a movie as cheaply as possible" hiring decision. Hiring an armorer's apprentice armorer kid as your armorer means you save ~60% of the cost. Bonus = you can be more "efficient" on set because a real armorer would cost you a shitload more time and, quite possibly, "what could go wrong?"
 
trampas said:
Oh i get the long term implications, wholly.

And you must've missed where i implied it saddened me that someone was killed... which is the position i've taken in this thread from the beginning.
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Probably. Ironically I've only half ass followed this thread. :laughing:
 
trampas said:
That more ass than i've given it :laughing:

I get the feeling that miss Hutchins was a better person than the other 2 shitbirds that are getting all the attn in this thread.
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Probably, it's rarely the person that deserves it when shit like this happens.
 
ExWrench said:
AB would be at room temperature & I'd most likely be getting fucked in prison unless I calmed down enough to be smart & get away with it.


This was less an ESG-improving decision & more a "make a movie as cheaply as possible" hiring decision. Hiring an armorer's apprentice armorer kid as your armorer means you save ~60% of the cost. Bonus = you can be more "efficient" on set because a real armorer would cost you a shitload more time and, quite possibly, "what could go wrong?"
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Exactly!
 
Firstram said:
Exactly!
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When they are making a movie with guns and they have an armorer, do they give a safety briefing? Have you ever sat in on one? Hard to believe they don’t go over the basics. Maybe AB is too much of a big shot to make the briefing.
 
WaterH said:
When they are making a movie with guns and they have an armorer, do they give a safety briefing? Have you ever sat in on one? Hard to believe they don’t go over the basics. Maybe AB is too much of a big shot to make the briefing.
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How's that go? "I'm going to hand you a potato. Try not to beat anyone over the head with it"? "I'm going to hand you a gun, and because I don't bother actually doing my job, it might have a live round in it, so try not to pull the trigger"?
 
WaterH said:
You can drive a car all day long and not hurt anyone. Any adult knows that a car or a gun can kill. If you don’t know how to drive you shouldn’t drive. If you don’t know anything about guns, you shouldnt be pulling a trigger.
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If the car isnt running any fool can stomp the gas and and turn the wheel , nothing will happen. Same as the gun, you can squeeze the trigger a 1000 times and nothing will happen if it isnt loaded. That was the job of the amorer to make sure it wasnt loaded so any fool could handle it.
Now if you look at it from AB being the producer and responsible for the set then he would possibly be liable in some way from a legal standpoint. Not sure what that charge might be. Civil suit perhaps.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
If you don't know anything about guns, you don't know that you shouldn't be pulling a trigger. Especially if it's a "Prop" in a movie
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Bullshit, even people who "don't know anything about guns" know enough to know what the trigger does and not to point it at random people. Alec Baldwin has certainly been around long enough to know how Brandon Lee died as well.
 
Motorcharge said:
Bullshit, even people who "don't know anything about guns" know enough to know what the trigger does and not to point it at random people. Alec Baldwin has certainly been around long enough to know how Brandon Lee died as well.
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I think you're severely underestimating the amount of codling that happens with actors using prop guns, and the amount of "lack of common sense" people who don't know anything about guns or gun safety have when they consider a gun "not loaded".

I know plenty of people who would be fine with swinging one around, flagging everyone in the room, cocking and pulling the trigger just to see what happens all because someone told them "it's not loaded". Now add in an actor who gets to lean on the crutch of "a paid expert" handing them the gun and telling them it's safe to point it at things and pull the trigger into the mix.

Baldwin has done it a lot with no consequences in his career, so I bet he doesn't even consider the danger at this point:

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