Tech Tim
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Run it off the balance shaft gear. Balance shaft is deleted in a lot of performance applications anyway. If you were real creative you could adapt the pump to the stock balance shaft gear and housing
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You would know what the insides look like.... from the outside.
I do.
Weird. My 2.3’s oil pumps are chain driven.
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gm 6 sp? motec is way above my pay grade so I honestly don't pay attention to them.
YotaAtieToo
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No, I'm not saying his set up is koh ready by any means. Just an example of a turbo 4cyl that does get beat.
I'd bet you could build a 300-400hp k24 to hold up to koh fairly easy, but that's just speculating.
I mean look at those can ams, 1L 3 cyl making a rumored 500hp.
Speaking of can am, It seems like if you wanted to really save wieght, sxs engine and trans is probably the way to go.
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If you guys would stop driving through the pucker bushes on the sides of the course.......
Sure sounds like some belt technology needs to take place. Or maybe a sealed fully enclosed front cover for the engine. Sprockets and o-ringed chain. Who knows. It's a fixable issue for sure. Just going to take dumb ideas being fine tuned into workable solutions.
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Motec ECUs do everything if you know how to talk to them.
so you convert the wet pump into a dry pump with the chain. everything protected in the pan and life is good
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I'm genuinely interested how to make that work with a 6L and if it's possible with other aftermarket ecu's in the hobbyist price range.
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Possibly. Our Baja 1k team had starlink on the race car and chase vehicles. Our ability to communicate was much improved over our satellite walkie talkies and Sat phones.
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Now that's what I'm talking about.Might work running the Weismann automatic, but it pretty much locks you in to a manual trans.
I assume the OD of the clutch housing (multi plate button clutch I assume) is machines for the toothed belt.
Yeah I've seen plenty of that.
You didn't understand the question. Everyone knows what a dry sump pump looks like. I was asking about the flywheel drive system.You know way less about go fast stuff than you think you do.......
I think if you did you'd run right into heat issues.We can build cars from scratch but we can't make an automatic trans bell housing than can mount a dry sump pump?
IDK how hot a TC is under racing conditions but probably a lot hotter than a clutch on average. Maybe the clutch is hotter in the rocks.
ridered3
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Speaking of belt related issues in rear engine cars, any insight into the belt issues Levi keeps having with the LT5 and Supercharger in the new chassis?
I know they did some serious work to redo things around the belt drive system in that one, but recall hearing belt issues for them as well.
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gt1guy
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Cam driven dry sump.
Timing chain will become the weak link but... dunno 'till you try.
Still has a belt
If you had something like that, but running a gear drive for the cam, you could run everything off it. The bracket holding that drysump pump would have to also be a timing cover, but inside it on the pump side, you could have gears driving everything any direction you wanted at any speed you wanted.
Engine belts would be gone.
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Still has a belt
If you had something like that, but running a gear drive for the cam, you could run everything off it. The bracket holding that drysump pump would have to also be a timing cover, but inside it on the pump side, you could have gears driving everything any direction you wanted at any speed you wanted.
Engine belts would be gone.
You mean, like this ?
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Volvo has some weird gear driven accessory drive **** for they run the alternators on some of their cars with. They use a toothed belt like a straight coupler.Still has a belt
If you had something like that, but running a gear drive for the cam, you could run everything off it. The bracket holding that drysump pump would have to also be a timing cover, but inside it on the pump side, you could have gears driving everything any direction you wanted at any speed you wanted.
Engine belts would be gone.
Provience
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Size of the pump and lines would make that interesting to fit below the windage tray, or what would be a windage tray converted to accumulation tray for scavenge pickups.
I'm sure it's plenty doable, but for a rock rig with high chance of driveshaft or suspension failure, it'd be interesting choice. Not sure it would be worthwhile instead of mounting pumps up high or to the side.
Using a Crank mount on pump, Toyota style for example because that what I'm familiar with, you could move pickup and route hoses and such but it would be an interesting logistical solution for getting the head suction lines
LS 4cyl? I doubt they’ll ever make the block but it could be cool. But a cast iron block makes the whole package 300 lbs.
No clue, random google image search
Looks like it though, that’s what the bottom end of my duratec looked like which is essentially an econonboost
gt1guy
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You mean, like this ?
Yes.
Now imagine another set of idler gears at 3 & 9 o'clock that branch out to run your accessories.
Could be built into the motor plate. Just need to pick up off the gear drive.
Tech Tim
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LS 4cyl? I doubt they’ll ever make the block but it could be cool. But a cast iron block makes the whole package 300 lbs.
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But why though... This gear drive already exists for Chevy engines and the cam driven oil pump also exists. Use that.
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Dual Stage - EMP
The OP3530 pump is a 2-stage positive displacement gear pump featuring a brushless DC motor and integrated motor drive controller.
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gt1guy
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I was thinking about running everything off it. Dry sump pump, steering pump, alt, ect. Completely eliminate any belts out in the open.
Now they need to sell it! 🤣
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Why not ?
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Gear drag losses and the power they take plus the awesome destruction when they fail
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I'd trade drag loss for the safety of not being exposed to the elements.
If they fail...
Well, they fail
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They all failI'd trade drag loss for the safety of not being exposed to the elements.
If they fail...
Well, they fail
How cheap and fast can you replace them vs how fast can you identify and shut down when they go is a big tradeoff that belts have a good advantage.
See those stupid sxs cv transmission and other low strength lightweight stuff. **** a belt, no big deal. Swap it mid race vs. **** a planetary gear and good ****in luck getting back into the mix.
Idiots lights on dash for oil pressure tell you the belt is dead. Bearing don't die in 5 min of no oil pressure, plenty of time to shut it down and rebuild later for the cost of bearings and cleaning