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Sort of an explanation saying ‘setting up the machine is more important to getting a great weld than what shape you draw.


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MIG Welding Techniques, Paterns and Angles for All Position Welding | GoWelding.org

How to MIG weld in all positions using the proper techniques, travel patterns and electrode agles in the flat, horzintal, vertical and overhead positions.
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A steady motion is the most basic technique and requires the MIG welder be set exactly as needed. It is what most robots use to weld and it can produce a perfect weld in any position. It comes down to machine settings, electrode angle and travel speed. The basics of a steady motion are the hotter the setting in most cases the better the weld.
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Whipping works well on most joints using either stringer beads or fillet welds. It keeps the puddle in a tight range but also preheats the joint prior to filling it with metal. This technique is great for beginner welders to learn how to control their travel speed.
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Circles are the happy medium between whipping and weaving. They work well on most joints and can be applied almost anywhere. The way it works is make a small circle and then go forward and do it again.
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chaplinfj60 said:
vision i need cheaters.... so thats my hang up... hours welding..... shit ton. i mean in my younger years pipe and plate welder certified welder in 6G, stick welder. shit ton in my mind. but i do think my vision is fucking me over. :lmao: honestly i think i do better stick welding better. wierd i know

even 6010 down hill
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A shit ton? Then what you worried about? You've been certified, made a living welding and your worried about how pretty it is?? :confused:

I had a vain self serving coworker (newb) back when I was pipe fitting. That's all he was worried about. How quickly and pretty his work was. I had words with him several times about his starts and stops. He was a very talented dude. Could fit and fit quickly. But his welds had to be perfect. AKA pretty. He couldn't put full penetration before looking great. He could pass his shit off as legit until they gave him a large job building a piping system for a municipal wastewater facility. I was called in after they went to pressure test and found leaks. I counted 40. all from his starts and stops. :laughing: I literally showed several times,... he needed to grind his stops out and overlap his starts. Not one of those fucking welds were done that way. But they looked great.

If you want what he was after, you just have to learn not to give a fuck about how good the weld is but care deeply about how it looks.... and your gold.
 
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Mike Honcho said:
Think you have that backwards :flipoff2:
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Nah you do. It’s mig welding. It’s “tig like”. so it is “tig like” mig welding. Think about it.
Bassackwards folks call it mig Like tig because they think ”mig like you tig” but that would be holding the 0.035 wire in one hand and dabbing it.
 
[memphis] said:
Is there anything wrong with just going straight with mig? That’s usually all I do with fluxcore and pull the weld along the joint.

I just upgraded to gas but I haven’t used it yet
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Straight drag is probably ideal, but your settings and travel speed need to be perfect for it to lay in there nice

I’ll whip it to help with certain joints

This plug weld 1/4” material for example. Slot was too wide for a straight drag so a little wiggle got it to lay nice and flat in one pass

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Outside corner joints are another one that a little loop and swoop help me not burn the edges over. Nothing as nice as the work posted earlier, but minimal cleanup to look decent after paint

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needed to melt some steel together yesterday so fired up the tig. Not terrible. No filler. cap on 1" x 1/8" square.

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mig'd the brackets on because plating.
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Boss said:
A shit ton? Then what you worried about? You've been certified, made a living welding and your worried about how pretty it is?? :confused:

I had a vain self serving coworker (newb) back when I was pipe fitting. That's all he was worried about. How quickly and pretty his work was. I had words with him several times about his starts and stops. He was a very talented dude. Could fit and fit quickly. But his welds had to be perfect. AKA pretty. He couldn't put full penetration before looking great. He could pass his shit off as legit until they gave him a large job building a piping system for a municipal wastewater facility. I was called in after they went to pressure test and found leaks. I counted 40. all from his starts and stops. :laughing: I literally showed several times,... he needed to grind his stops out and overlap his starts. Not one of those fucking welds were done that way. But they looked great.

If you want what he was after, you just have to learn not to give a fuck about how good the weld is but care deeply about how it looks.... and your gold.
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looks by no means is first priority. i do like how they looked though. or just curious how to do it that’s all😇😇😇
 
Sceep said:
needed to melt some steel together yesterday so fired up the tig. Not terrible. No filler. cap on 1"
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You need to use filler with steel. Stainless is about the only metal you can weld with no filler.
 
forgive my ignorance.

shit melted/puddled together great enough for me? why do i need to use filler when they are blending well?
 
For this application (just some caps on some square tube spacers) fully good enough. :grinpimp:
 
[486] said:
what?

autogenous welding is done with all materials
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Success rates vary. Cracking is a real concern on anything but stainless. Or anything with a lot of nickle like inconel.
 
there is very good reason that most filler metals are not exactly the same as the base metals being joined.


but filler metal for 316 stainless, is 316ss.





you can just melt base steels together but, among other things, very often the weld is cooled far faster than ideal. making it very brittle and easy to crack. most filler metals are designed to be able to handle the rapid cool down. again many other reasons
 
[486] said:
what?

autogenous welding is done with all materials
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Successfully by everyone in any application? :flipoff2:

You obviously never done it. Aluminum will say fuck you real fast. I can't tell you all the different ways it can be done. Because it can, I can tell you only my experiences. I'd never even consider welding mild steel without filler.
 
Boss said:
Successfully by everyone in any application? :flipoff2:

You obviously never done it. Aluminum will say fuck you real fast. I can't tell you all the different ways it can be done. Because it can, I can tell you only my experiences. I'd never even consider welding mild steel without filler.
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After the other guys responses I'm starting to regret having welded up my transfer tank with offcut plate slivers as filler rod.
The aluminum will do it once you break the surface tension, it wets out okay after that as long as there's enough metal around to form the puddle

It does work and it's pretty common on stuff like steel fuel tanks which used to be seam welded with acetylene even on a production line
 
Not my welds.
I was in the local farm store today and noticed this Better Built (?) fuel transfer tank.
If I built something this bad, it would never see the light of day, much less get sent to a customer.
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72Pstroke said:
Not my welds.
I was in the local farm store today and noticed this Better Built (?) fuel transfer tank.
If I built something this bad, it would never see the light of day, much less get sent to a customer.
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2big bronco said:
Looks good, flux core is way more versatile in a portable machine... but if its staying put in your shop gas is nice.
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I don’t have much of a shop. This was actually welded pretty much outside last night. The minimal clean up and massive reduction in smoke wins hands down…
 

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[memphis] said:
I don’t have much of a shop. This was actually welded pretty much outside last night. The minimal clean up and massive reduction in smoke wins hands down…
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Outside is good until the wind picks up. Trying to keep the arc shielded while upside down under a vehicle in the pissing rain when it's blowing a gale gets old pretty quickly :laughing:.
 
[memphis] said:
I’ve been burning fluxcore for 15 years. This is my first ever bead with mig gas tonight. Why didn’t I convert sooner?!
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Dude you cursed me. Went to weld some nonsense tonight, outta gas and immediately thought of this post. Dug out a rusty roll of flux core I somehow saved for 10 years and got it done

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