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Pleanty of people wheel yotas and samurais with less than 100hp
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What's the Most Popular V6 Engine for Light Weight Crawlers Currently?
Pleanty of people wheel yotas and samurais with less than 100hp
TrailTamer
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Why want factory 300hp from a small v6 if you’ll not wind it out on trails to get all of 300hp? I can see it’s appreciated if racing. Recreational wheeling, meh.
'84 Bronco II
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They would be a good option, but they have the same problem mod motors do; they're fucking wide. Same reason people aren't building buggies with the 3.6L Camaro V6 which is all aluminum and has 335hp from the factory. I really liked the 3.7L my father had in his 2011 Mustang and I am curious what they weigh. The old Cologne V6s aren't exactly light.
See Post #4 in this thread. Even "crawlers" need horsepower too.
Rockwood
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J35 VTEC will have a flat torque curve. It’s why VTEC exists: low RPM cam for torque/crusiing, high RPM cam for gettin it.Smallest v6 at 5.0L sure have decent grunt just off idle.
On a serious note, how is it like to wheel with “300hp” v6 (or even i4)? They nearly always have weak bottom end, and finally “wake up” when revving 5k plus rpm, where they’re rated 300 hp.
Think “vtec” stuff lol
Random dyno stolen from the Internet:
That chart starts at 2000rpm. You can see where the low cam falls away and the top cam takes over.
I recently discovered ford builds the 3.7 hurricane in a stationary application to replace the 4.2’s that replaced the 300’s
That should involve some availability of mass produced bellhousing adapter to sbf. damned if I can find any.
I’m a bit of a Honda fan boy when it comes to the J series, but that motor has no ass below 4000 rpm.
That should involve some availability of mass produced bellhousing adapter to sbf. damned if I can find any.
I’m a bit of a Honda fan boy when it comes to the J series, but that motor has no ass below 4000 rpm.
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I don't know that it would matter all that much with something geared stupid low like my car will be with portals and a 4:1 or deeper tcase.
YotaAtieToo
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Seems like tq converter would be the ticket.
If anyone follows the fiat buggy ghoulie. It's a turbo k24 and even with those 416 or what portals and 49s or 43s it still launches like mad.
If anyone follows the fiat buggy ghoulie. It's a turbo k24 and even with those 416 or what portals and 49s or 43s it still launches like mad.
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BustedCrank
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The few times I've seen that thing, its either at idle, or bouncing off the limiter.
YotaAtieToo
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The 3.7's are very light. All aluminum and 60 deg. I think they would make a good swap. The only issue is they have their own bellhousing pattern so you are stuck with the 6r80 or whatever auto ford put behind them unless you can find some conversion bellhousing.
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So just an FYI for anyone looking into the Honda 3.5Ls....I don't think the Honda options are all that viable in terms of getting the adapter to GM transmissions. Obviously, if you have access to a mill and a lathe, you can pretty much build whatever you need....I'm talking about if you want to be able to buy the parts off the shelf.
Marked Motor Sports hasn't returned calls or emails about it, but I did find that their adapter ONLY fits 2002-2004 Odysseys and Pilots (J35A4 only so fairly limited supply of engines) and Bill at Bill's Auto Fab (who apparently does these adapters too) has very vaguely answered emails with one word responses or links when asked what they cost and lead time. No idea on which of at least 8 bellhousing patterns his adapter mates up to....I was hoping for a J35Y (1, 2 or 6) as they are very common and make more power stock than almost all the other options and engines locally are $1K or less with miles as low as 30K.
He did send this link to a YT video:
V-6 J series Honda motor converted to RWD Bill Hincher [email protected]
If anyone knows of another source for a trans adapter to a Th400, I'm all ears.
Marked Motor Sports hasn't returned calls or emails about it, but I did find that their adapter ONLY fits 2002-2004 Odysseys and Pilots (J35A4 only so fairly limited supply of engines) and Bill at Bill's Auto Fab (who apparently does these adapters too) has very vaguely answered emails with one word responses or links when asked what they cost and lead time. No idea on which of at least 8 bellhousing patterns his adapter mates up to....I was hoping for a J35Y (1, 2 or 6) as they are very common and make more power stock than almost all the other options and engines locally are $1K or less with miles as low as 30K.
He did send this link to a YT video:
V-6 J series Honda motor converted to RWD Bill Hincher [email protected]
If anyone knows of another source for a trans adapter to a Th400, I'm all ears.
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Is that because they straight up don't fit or is it "you gotta delete that sensor, drill and tap this boss and clearance that rib on the starter and space the flwywheel" type of petty shit?
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Don't know. I specifically asked about how hard it might be to simply redrill their plate for a different J35 series engine. I'll probably try calling again but as I said, no response either via voicemail or email so not sure I'll have anything to add.
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I'm pretty sure the bellhousing bolt layout is significantly different between the various J35 motors. Also the starter location or lack thereof on the honda engines is probably complicating things.
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Yeah, I'd wager the starter is also a hurdle based on the YT video from Bill
Non Honda engine related but you seem to be chasing a nice V6 to th400 setup. I gave up and just went with a L33 (aluminum 5.3 LS).
I know the import motors can get wide but if you're willing to do some research there are a lot of v6 import motors and I came across a good amount of adapters for th400. Nissan/ Infiniti came up a lot. Like I said I never went out with a tape measure but there may be a good/ decent import option out there. I like the newer Camry motors and they're squeezing them into older mr2's? Just thought I'd share.
Rockwood
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J Bellhousing Guide
The J series to date currently have two different bellhousings. The newer ones has a more round appearance compared to the older ones. For the sake of this guide we will just list them as G1 or G2. G1 = Generation 1 Bellhousing and G2 = Generation 2 Bellhousing. ENGINE BELLHOUSING J25A...
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J bellhousing guide to show you which variants will be compatible. There's also the JDM JY route for donors.
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Really appreciate it. I pretty sure I'm getting the first (gotta find a 2nd for the wife's car) 4.3L LV3/LV1 this weekend...but I'm still looking at other options in case this falls through or for a 3rd car I may build. I'll look into the Camry and Nissan stuff (was actually looking at the 3.5L Lexus 305 hp engines too...but no adapters). Do you happen to have any leads on Camry/Nissan/Infinity adapter to the TH400?
The L33 makes a lot of sense...especially for the 3rd car since my wife wants something 'with lots of ponies' LOL.
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Looked at JDM...but most of them were early 2000s when I looked and almost all K20/K24 4 cyl. Very few 3.5L V6s last I looked, but definitely worth looking again.J Bellhousing Guide
The J series to date currently have two different bellhousings. The newer ones has a more round appearance compared to the older ones. For the sake of this guide we will just list them as G1 or G2. G1 = Generation 1 Bellhousing and G2 = Generation 2 Bellhousing. ENGINE BELLHOUSING J25A...
J bellhousing guide to show you which variants will be compatible. There's also the JDM JY route for donors.
Thanks for the link!
EDIT What's odd is that the link is saying there's basically only 2 bellhousings...the G1 or G2...which contradicts the 8 patterns MMS was claiming. Having 2 patterns would open options up markedly.
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That might give more validity to the starter location being the issue. The MM adapter puts the starter under the oil pan. It could be that only the J35A4 will fit the starter under the oil pan even though other J variants have a similar bolt pattern. I dunno, just spit ballin here.
I've been meaning to look into the other J variants to see if another one had a better engine side bellhousing layout. You can look at pics on car-part.com to get an idea. In the end I still think its easier to go with a GM 3.9 or 3.5 motor.
I've been meaning to look into the other J variants to see if another one had a better engine side bellhousing layout. You can look at pics on car-part.com to get an idea. In the end I still think its easier to go with a GM 3.9 or 3.5 motor.
The Lv3 should be awesome. I wanted one but after seeing the cost and availability I opted out especially with having a Lm7 and L33 laying on the floor.
Here's the link for the infinite motors, bottom 2 options.
Transmission Adapters for Engine Swaps | LOJ Conversions
LOJ offers a variety of Transmission adapters that include LS, LT, HEMI, Godzilla, Coyote, RB, KA, VQ, or VR38 Engines to a large range of transmissions!
www.lojkits.com
I didn't save the other links for other motors but seen quite a few, I'll search after work and post up what I find.
Also, I noticed when searching for adapters a lot of the import sites were using "gm adapter plate" and not mentioning th400 in title only description. May help open your search options.
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The one from Bill's auto put the custom starter on the passenger side of the block around the 5 o'clock position and he said it could go on the other side as well if the customer wanted...but clearing the pan (especially if one went to a rear sump pan) was an issue.
Yeah, the 3.9L is probably the easiest, but I wasn't sure that 240 ft-lbs/240 hp would be enough....and those engines are pretty long in the tooth at this point...though I suppose getting parts is still possible.
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I'm going to delete the AFM to effectively make it an LV1 in both cases.The Lv3 should be awesome. I wanted one but after seeing the cost and availability I opted out especially with having a Lm7 and L33 laying on the floor.
Here's the link for the infinite motors, bottom 2 options.
Transmission Adapters for Engine Swaps | LOJ Conversions
LOJ offers a variety of Transmission adapters that include LS, LT, HEMI, Godzilla, Coyote, RB, KA, VQ, or VR38 Engines to a large range of transmissions!
I didn't save the other links for other motors but seen quite a few, I'll search after work and post up what I find.
Also, I noticed when searching for adapters a lot of the import sites were using "gm adapter plate" and not mentioning th400 in title only description. May help open your search options.
Thanks for the help. I really appreciate you taking the time to do that.
Yeah, maybe just searching for that term will help.
SHARPMACHINE
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I have always wanted to see some 3.5 yota/lexus love. Have an es350 and the car is pretty quick when you get into it and rock solid reliable.
Rockwood
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Newer VQ Nissan engines are definitely wider/taller:
Nissan's never really been efficient with engine packaging. VQ3XHR will also have dual intakes to deal with.
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Yeah, we had the IS....loved the car, but it had electrical demons so we got rid of it after we caught the dealer lying to avoid a lemon law buy back.
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Thanks for the heads up on that....Newer VQ Nissan engines are definitely wider/taller:
Nissan's never really been efficient with engine packaging. VQ3XHR will also have dual intakes to deal with.
I'm looking at that thinking it might prove challenging to mount the power steering pump down low. That's one thing on MMS website...they had a kit to mount a CBR between the 60 Degree V in the engine at the very top....which IMO is the worst place you could mount one.
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Apparently, the rumor appears to be true. Marked Motorsports is cutting back on the Honda V6 swaps. "No products" listed now....
They've even changed the web addy.....
HONDA V6 Products : Full Access UTV, KRX Superstore
Full Access UTV : HONDA V6 Products - Full Access UTV Store FULL ACCESS WHATS NEW!! HONDA PARTS STORE TEAM RACING NEWS ecommerce, motorsports, shop, online shopping, engines, racing, race, KRX, Kawasaki, side by side
fullaccessutv.com
They've even changed the web addy.....
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94toytruck
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Had a S550in here the other day with a 3.7l. Peppy little motor, didn't look into options or actual size but it wasn't a turd.