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What's the Most Popular V6 Engine for Light Weight Crawlers Currently?

Absolutely. I gotcha.
But thanks for clarifying, it's good tech.

Funny, I just had to get a spacer kit to stick a cheap, late model 4L60E on a single piece 383SBC. So going through this, but in reverse. Hated doing it, when there were OEM solutions. It's what the customer wanted. I also added a 2002 8.1L, mini, high torque starter.

Mix and match to get the best, cheap.
 
8.1 are such underrated engines.
 
Is there any reason to not use a 6l80e behind the LV1/LV3 since that was the factory setup?

If you want 300 hp, go get a small block.:flipoff2:. Your choice of Ford or Chevy, we discriminate here.

I don't want a computer controlled trans and since I'm doing a FMRVB....not sure that's even an option for the 6l80e. And the size is a deal killer too.
 
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I don't want a computer controlled trans and since I'm doing a FMRVB....not sure that's even an option for the 6l80e. And the size is a deal killer too.
Shorter than a 4l80e, weight may be 20 lbs more. Tap shift is available. The 6l80 is a bit bigger diameter though. But does have a 4:1 first gear.
 
Shorter than a 4l80e, weight may be 20 lbs more. Tap shift is available. The 6l80 is a bit bigger diameter though. But does have a 4:1 first gear.
Don't get me wrong...the 6 speeds, much lower 1st, OD, etc are all huge benefits....but the size/weight of the trans is the problem along with the fact that it's 31 spline, not 32 (like the 4L80E) output (already have the adapters to the tcases) and has a 10.5ish to 12 quart capacity (depending on the TC size) are all problems I can't really overcome, not to mention the added complexity of being computer controlled.

Tap shift? As in bump it up and down in gear but not in a reverse pattern? Again, not what I'm looking for.

The 6L80E is a great trans....just not for a portal car. A TH400 is total overkill for one too, but at least its something I won't ever have to question the strength of and is a much closer fit in terms weight/size.
 
Don't get me wrong...the 6 speeds, much lower 1st, OD, etc are all huge benefits....but the size/weight of the trans is the problem along with the fact that it's 31 spline, not 32 (like the 4L80E) output (already have the adapters to the tcases) and has a 10.5ish to 12 quart capacity (depending on the TC size) are all problems I can't really overcome, not to mention the added complexity of being computer controlled.

Tap shift? As in bump it up and down in gear but not in a reverse pattern? Again, not what I'm looking for.

The 6L80E is a great trans....just not for a portal car. A TH400 is total overkill for one too, but at least its something I won't ever have to question the strength of and is a much closer fit in terms weight/size.
It's 32 spline. The 6l90e is a different spline count.

I can see it being a bit of a mismatch for a portal car, but it would be tempting for a something a bit less hardcore or more street friendly.
 
It's 32 spline. The 6l90e is a different spline count.

I can see it being a bit of a mismatch for a portal car, but it would be tempting for a something a bit less hardcore or more street friendly.
Website I checked must've been wrong on the spline count. I wondered why they would have changed it since 32 has been the norm for so long.
 
I'm in the same boat trying to piece together parts for a portal buggy and I've narrowed it down to the LFX, LV3, or Honda J series and to me the LFX wins. LV3 is crazy expensive and next to impossible to find in junkyards, but has the potential to be upgraded close to 400 hp and seemingly gaining some support in the aftermarket world. J35 was intriguing but the cost of all the Marked Motorsports stuff to adapt to a th350 made it too expensive, plus it was only the J35A4, not the A8 or any of the J37 (300 hp)variants. LFX can be found in any pic a part for dirt cheap. Plenty of info on the Miata forums as well, including things to look for when buying a used one. Harness/tune might be more expensive than what you'd get for the LV3, but still cheaper overall. Plus it has 7200 redline and integrated exhaust manifolds which makes chassis integration much easier. 60 degree bellhousing too.. 904,700r4,th350, aw4, 6L50.
 
Paddle shift via tap shift is really very nice. Have them in a few vehicles. Then again, you're building for slow speeds?

Screw dinking around with a shifter on the floor.
 

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Why not TH350 for a portal car, especially with a v6? Th400 does seem over kill.
Well, that's the route I originally was going to take (so much so that I actually already have the TH350), but my view on auto trannies is overkill is not a bad idea here and the TH400 is sort of like the front Dana 60 in the crawling world. It can be built to handle a lot of abuse and isn't nearly as questionable as a '1/2T' rated trans.

Ultimately, I'm just a regular guy who doesn't make a lot of money and so reliability becomes really important since you're spending a significant amount of money and don't want to have to spend it twice or repeatedly fixing something that was really undersized to begin with. It's why I'm going with Ford 9" thirds over Toyota even though I'm a Toyota guy.

Oh...and since I have a pair of 5.3 LSs....I was originally going to go with that engine (and still might) for these cars....and that drove the TH400 choice....which also kind of married me to specific adapter to the 3 speed Hero cases I'm probably using as well.
 
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I'm in the same boat trying to piece together parts for a portal buggy and I've narrowed it down to the LFX, LV3, or Honda J series and to me the LFX wins. LV3 is crazy expensive and next to impossible to find in junkyards, but has the potential to be upgraded close to 400 hp and seemingly gaining some support in the aftermarket world. J35 was intriguing but the cost of all the Marked Motorsports stuff to adapt to a th350 made it too expensive, plus it was only the J35A4, not the A8 or any of the J37 (300 hp)variants. LFX can be found in any pic a part for dirt cheap. Plenty of info on the Miata forums as well, including things to look for when buying a used one. Harness/tune might be more expensive than what you'd get for the LV3, but still cheaper overall. Plus it has 7200 redline and integrated exhaust manifolds which makes chassis integration much easier. 60 degree bellhousing too.. 904,700r4,th350, aw4, 6L50.
JFYI on a harness for the LFX: Keisler Automation

So with the 60° bellhousing....who's trans adapter are you planning to mate up the trans?
 
Well, that's the route I originally was going to take (so much so that I actually already have the TH350), but my view on auto trannies is overkill is not a bad idea here and the TH400 is sort of like the front Dana 60 in the crawling world. It can be built to hand a lot of abuse and isn't nearly as questionable as a '1/2T' rated trans.

Ultimately, I'm just a regular guy who doesn't make a lot of money and so reliability becomes really important since you're spending a significant amount of money and don't want to have to spend it twice or repeatedly fixing something that was really undersized to begin with. It's why I'm going with Ford 9" thirds over Toyota even though I'm a Toyota guy.

Oh...and since I have a pair of 5.3 LSs....I was originally going to go with that engine (and still might) for these cars....and that drove the TH400 choice....which also kind of married me to specific adapter to the 3 speed Hero cases I'm probably using as well.

iron block LS, TH400 and Hero, that's not really the recipe for a lightweight portal car.
 
Paddle shift via tap shift is really very nice. Have them in a few vehicles. Then again, you're building for slow speeds?

Screw dinking around with a shifter on the floor.
Yes, crawling....which is why a traditional shift pattern isn't all that useful for this application even with paddles.
 
iron block LS, TH400 and Hero, that's not really the recipe for a lightweight portal car.
No, it 100% isn't which is why I'm thinking of doing the V6....and ditching the Hero for D300 instead. I can keep the other parts for other projects...but I want the ability/commonality to swap things around if necessary. The TH400 fits that bill and is an auto I trust if built even mildly.

Ideally, at this point....I'd go V6, TH400, D300 to get the weight down. By doing that....I'm saving somewhere between 150 and 250 lbs. Which still doesn't sound like a lot, frankly.
 
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That's basically impossible unless it's a tiny displacement. Even a small 4cyl is longer than a v6.
That was my thought as well....but I am not at all familiar with Volvo engines so maybe they are tiny cylinders as you said.
 
I have a 2017 LV3 in my new buggy backed by a 700r4/Atlas 4.3. Non-portal 4ws car with 5.83 gears. I paid $750 for my LV3 on facebook with a bad lifter. Deals are out there. I deleted all the DOD/AFM shit with a BTR truck norris jr cam. I cut the oil pan down about 3.5" and welded on a plate. Its cast aluminum and welded fine. No issues with oil pressure loss yet in extreme vertical/downward scenarios. I run a remote oil filter.

With the cut down pan and stock intake, i dont feel like its overly tall.

Tuning them for a manual transmission was the biggest unknown for me. They never came with a manual trans here in the states. I ended up messaging some people selling their trucks in Mexico to get a VIN for a silverado with a LVx engine and manual transmission. This VIN allowed my tuner to pull the code and flash it to my ecu. Mexican silverados also dont have DOD/AFM from the factory. They are lucky.

Im using an off the shelf Howell conversion harness. No issues there.

With the cam and tune it made like 175/209 on the dyno through the drivetrain. It rips on the trail when i need it. Definitely get it tuned before taking it out on the trail.

Im pretty sure they no longer offer the LV3 v6 in the new silverados. They were replaced with the turbo 4-banger they now offer.
 
The volvo t5 about the same external size as an ecotec 2.2l according to my tape measure in the garage.. and also very light being all aluminum .. The power it makes still blows me away for such small displacement.. Running 18psi it is about 300 hp and 295 ftlbs of torque from 1900rpm .. I got the limiter set at 7400 right now but will rev well beyond 8 just fine
 
That's basically impossible unless it's a tiny displacement. Even a small 4cyl is longer than a v6.
V6’s are close to 4 cylinders long because of the staggered cylinders and shared rod journals. If a V6 is shorter in length than a 4cyl it’s due to other factors not related to bores. The overlap is 1/2 a cylinder on each end of 3. 3 + .5 + .5 = 4.

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Exact same number of hp that my stock 5.3 did.
And that's where I'm at too....IIRC, both of my 5.3s are 2001 models....which is only like 285hp at the crank from the factory. Many of the V6s are making that much in the models we're discussing...some are making more.
 
MMS says these trans for the J35:

Turbo 350 (th350)
Turbo 400, (th400)
700R4
4l60E
200R4


They're light, reliable, and in "full bolt on" trim in a buggy would be 300hp-ish. Desert guys run them all the time, not many issues with them.
 
MMS says these trans for the J35:

Turbo 350 (th350)
Turbo 400, (th400)
700R4
4l60E
200R4


They're light, reliable, and in "full bolt on" trim in a buggy would be 300hp-ish. Desert guys run them all the time, not many issues with them.
Hmmm....that's odd. When I looked into this a year or so ago, MMS only mentioned the 700r4. I'm not opposed to the Honda, though it seemed at the time that finding someone to tune it would be an issue (based on the MMS's own comments) and that MMS had you over a barrel in terms of sourcing a lot of necessary bracketry/parts.

Thanks for posting that info up and correcting me.
 
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