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Roc Doc said:
I have a tube of Lucas I got at SHOT maybe 5 years ago as a sample...I probably have 95% of it left.

Edit; It's like a 1oz tube.
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So you are anti cleaning of a firearm but pro lubrication. Interesting...I think that like Paragon, you just like to argue with everybody about anything possible.

Here, I like to separate whites and colors when doing laundry.

Roc Doc:.....

Here is another for you,
It is gayer to suck cock than take it up the ass.

Roc Doc;.....
 
DICKWEED said:
So you are anti cleaning of a firearm but pro lubrication. Interesting...I think that like Paragon, you just like to argue with everybody about anything possible.
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well, cleaning barrels and cleaning the rest of the worky-bits is two easily separated concepts
 
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well, cleaning barrels and cleaning the rest of the worky-bits is two easily separated concepts
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Yeah, cleaning barrels if for fucktards. I got ya. We threw all the cleaning rods away for our M91A2's and TAC-338's, M-14's? Fuck cleaning those, they just worked with maximum accuracy.
 
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DICKWEED said:
So you are anti cleaning of a firearm but pro lubrication. Interesting...I think that like Paragon, you just like to argue with everybody about anything possible.

Here, I like to separate whites and colors when doing laundry.

Roc Doc:.....

Here is another for you,
It is gayer to suck cock than take it up the ass.

Roc Doc;.....
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Look bud, I understand that your world has been destroyed, as you have sunk your entire sanity and self-worth into barrel break-in, but there is no need to lash out. You will get past this and i have confidence you can learn to be a better marksman and pull triggers for a while without solvent stained fingers. anyway....


Most of us (rifle owners/shooters) clean their barrels when accuracy degrades. That interval all depends on the load being shot, caliber, overall barrel life for that caliber, etc. Shoot it until accuracy falls off from your standards (for something like 308, its usually 400-600 rounds) clean the barrel out thoroughly, shoot a few fouling shots and get back out their enjoying the rifle and the sport.

Thanks, and God Bless.
 
Look Chief, just because you don't like to take the time to clean your barrel in-between shooting sessions doesn't mean that you monopolized some new way of firearm care. I kept my barrels clean before and during my 25 years in the military. My kid is in the garage cleaning the ones we just shot last week on vacation. Copper fouling builds up in them, powder (all powder) is corrosive in the bore and the throat/chamber of your firearm. Burnt powder, and unburnt, gets everywhere, lead and copper collects everywhere. It gets dirty and affects accuracy. Keep telling yourself it doesn't. You are probably shooting fouling rounds because the buildup is so bad in your barrel that you have no idea what a clean barrel is.

Just because you prescribe to letting your barrels get fucked up until you can't hold zero in no way makes that the correct or only way to do things. Personally, I don't care what you or the rest of this board does but to sit here and make statements like you and the other two make is ridiculous. "I have 10 matches coming up, I might clean the barrel after the 12th...whatever", "I know a custom gun builder, myself, and barrel break-in is a myth and waste of time. I shoot mine red hot out of the box and never clean them". "And I make guns.lol".

Why the fuck would you wait until accuracy degrades to clean your barrel? What if your life depended on making that shot, what if your kids life depended on you making that shot, what if 10K was on the line to connect to that target, what if the animal of your dreams is standing in front of you? "Well, looks like I am assed out because I hit my 600th round before cleaning, might as well throw this motherfucker in the jingweeds."

Precision shooting is about REMOVING all the stupid variables in the world that effect the accuracy of your shot. You narrow that shot down to the point where it is just the shooter doing his job because the platform is as solid and working as well as it possibly can. Only the shooter can fuck up the shot. Your weapons platform instills confidence in you. I am telling you right now, if you are shooting 400 to 600 rounds out of a rifle (not and Ar or AK) you are flat fucking wrong if you have any concern about hitting something other than a barn on the other end. Go to a King of 2 miles shoot and tell them they shouldn't clean their rifles until they have 400 rounds down the tube. I will guarantee-fuckin-tee they are swabbing barrels between shot strings. I will also guarantee they don't get their rifles put together and start pounding endless rounds out of them.

I don't give a shit, you take care of your barrels, you clean them, you put a protective coat of oil on them, you don't overheat them. They shoot like shit when they are hot, it damages the barrel and erodes steel faster. And I just decided I am not arguing with idiots on the internet... so suck it Pal.
 
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DICKWEED said:
Look Chief, just because you don't like to take the time to clean your barrel in-between shooting sessions doesn't mean that you monopolized some new way of firearm care. I kept my barrels clean before and during my 25 years in the military. My kid is in the garage cleaning the ones we just shot last week on vacation. Copper fouling builds up in them, powder (all powder) is corrosive in the bore and the throat/chamber of your firearm. Burnt powder, and unburnt, gets everywhere, lead and copper collects everywhere. It gets dirty and affects accuracy. Keep telling yourself it doesn't. You are probably shooting fouling rounds because the buildup is so bad in your barrel that you have no idea what a clean barrel is.

Just because you prescribe to letting your barrels get fucked up until you can't hold zero in no way makes that the correct or only way to do things. Personally, I don't care what you or the rest of this board does but to sit here and make statements like you and the other two make is ridiculous. "I have 10 matches coming up, I might clean the barrel after the 12th...whatever", "I know a custom gun builder, myself, and barrel break-in is a myth and waste of time. I shoot mine red hot out of the box and never clean them". "And I make guns.lol".

Why the fuck would you wait until accuracy degrades to clean your barrel? What if your life depended on making that shot, what if your kids life depended on you making that shot, what if 10K was on the line to connect to that target, what if the animal of your dreams is standing in front of you? "Well, looks like I am assed out because I hit my 600th round before cleaning, might as well throw this motherfucker in the jingweeds."

I don't give a shit, you take care of your barrels, you clean them, you put a protective coat of oil on them, you don't overheat them. They shoot like shit when they are hot, it damages the barrel and erodes steel faster. And I just decided I am not arguing with idiots on the internet so suck it.
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most of your claims are flat wrong.

most of your assumptions are wrong. not cleaning a barrel for a few hundred rounds is not "fucking up a barrel"

one question: how many rounds do you go between cleaning the barrel? on average? pick the rifle that "your kids life depended on you making that shot" and let me know. appreciate it.

your general butthurt about barrel break-in means you are shaken and are arriving at a crisis of faith.


may you always have accurate wind calls and may your barrels throat erosions necessitate a barrel change before you or your kid scrubs the rifling out of the barrel. :flipoff2:
 

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Texas97 said:
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most of your claims are flat wrong.

most of your assumptions are wrong. not cleaning a barrel for a few hundred rounds is not "fucking up a barrel"

one question: how many rounds do you go between cleaning the barrel? on average? pick the rifle that "your kids life depended on you making that shot" and let me know. appreciate it.

your general butthurt about barrel break-in means you are shaken and are arriving at a crisis of faith.


may you always have accurate wind calls and may your barrels throat erosions necessitate a barrel change before you or your kid scrubs the rifling out of the barrel. :flipoff2:
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You moved the subject to cleaning barrels so stick with your guns. Out of curiosity, who paid you to be a precision shooter? I am assuming you were/are a professional. Pro shooters get paid everyone else is just fucking blowing rounds off in their backyard or the range.

Also, please exclaim how one would scrub the rifling out of a barrel. This will be awesome. I bet you are one of those guys that don't believe in changing the oil in your car either.

This will blow your fucking head right off, I change my oil when the computer tells me to because I am too lazy to record miles. I don't wait for the valves to tick or throw a connecting rod through my oil pan. It is called maintenance Shooter, same thing applies to guns so they do what they are supposed to do when they are supposed to do it.

ETA; My world spins just fine. This is the internet where anyone can spout rubbish as gospel.
 
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You moved the subject to cleaning barrels so stick with your guns. Out of curiosity, who paid you to be a precision shooter? I am assuming you were/are a professional. Pro shooters get paid everyone else is just fucking blowing rounds off in their backyard or the range.

Also, please exclaim how one would scrub the rifling out of a barrel. This will be awesome. I bet you are one of those guys that don't believe in changing the oil in your car either.

This will blow your fucking head right off, I change my oil when the computer tells me to because I am too lazy to record miles. I don't wait for the valves to tick or throw a connecting rod through my oil pan. It is called maintenance Shooter, same thing applies to guns so they do what they are supposed to do when they are supposed to do it.

ETA; My world spins just fine. This is the internet where anyone can spout rubbish as gospel.
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its a joke, guy, its not a cleaning rod, you dont have to take it so hard.

you're all over the place and you didnt actually answer my questions.

no one pays me to shoot, i'm not a professional shooter. there was a time i was paid to shoot certain animals, but now i just scare animals with errant, ruined barrel shots, on my own terms.
 
You fags and your gun cleanings. :flipoff2:I have a shitty DPMS AR that has over 5,000 rounds through it. Yes it’s nasty and crusty as fuck but it goes bang every time I pull the trigger.
 
Texas97 said:
its a joke, guy, its not a cleaning rod, you dont have to take it so hard.

you're all over the place and you didnt actually answer my questions.

no one pays me to shoot, i'm not a professional shooter. there was a time i was paid to shoot certain animals, but now i just scare animals with errant, ruined barrel shots, on my own terms.
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Calm down, Captain, we are all human beings, we all have different perspectives and different life experiences. It is ok. Just shows your maturity level when you come in and start belittling people and posting gay assed memes posting my experiences. If Jerry Miculeck or whoever your Jedi long distance shooter is, came on here stating that break in barrel procedures were important, you would be all over it.

I was a paid shooter and instructor for 17 years. Not cleaning your barrel was never in our curriculum. Now because some yahoo backyard, YouTube gun expert says to wait 400 to 600 rounds to clean your barrel or until accuracy degrades is supposed to be gospel? Gimme a fuckin' break Jefe.
 
DICKWEED said:
Calm down, Captain, we are all human beings, we all have different perspectives and different life experiences. It is ok. Just shows your maturity level when you come in and start belittling people and posting gay assed memes posting my experiences. If Jerry Miculeck or whoever your Jedi long distance shooter is, came on here stating that break in barrel procedures were important, you would be all over it.

I was a paid shooter and instructor for 17 years. Not cleaning your barrel was never in our curriculum. Now because some yahoo backyard, YouTube gun expert says to wait 400 to 600 rounds to clean your barrel or until accuracy degrades is supposed to be gospel? Gimme a fuckin' break Jefe.
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now you're just getting grumpy again. i havent posted any memes. :confused:

telling me to calm down when im clearly not the one getting extra offended in this thread is irony.


barrel break-in is not a thing.
cleaning your barrel and bore after every shooting session is not necessary.


There, i said it again.
 
Texas97 said:
now you're just getting grumpy again. i havent posted any memes. :confused:

telling me to calm down when im clearly not the one getting extra offended in this thread is irony.


barrel break-in is not a thing.
cleaning your barrel and bore after every shooting session is not necessary.


There, i said it again.
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Yet again, you are an idiot. Go to a gun forum and peddle that 400-600 rounds pile of shit.
 
Aisin said:
You fags and your gun cleanings. :flipoff2:I have a shitty DPMS AR that has over 5,000 rounds through it. Yes it’s nasty and crusty as fuck but it goes bang every time I pull the trigger.
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Nobody is talking about some shitty AR or AK.
 
DICKWEED said:
Yet again, you are an idiot. Go to a gun forum and peddle that 400-600 rounds pile of shit.
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also, for the record, i already mentioned that cleaning intervals will vary depending on several factors. i shoot 308 and 260 Rem mostly, and that 400-500 interval is where i see groups opening up on my rifles and therefore thats when cleaning happens.

you'll need to ask Roc Doc, who shoots the Gay Tiger, and 300sniper when their seeing their accuracy loss in precision bolt action.


just to recap, barrel break-in is a myth.
clean your rifle barrel when that gun tells you its time.

Have a good evening, sir.
 
DICKWEED said:
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Why the fuck would you wait until accuracy degrades to clean your barrel? What if your life depended on making that shot, what if your kids life depended on you making that shot, what if 10K was on the line to connect to that target, what if the animal of your dreams is standing in front of you? "Well, looks like I am assed out because I hit my 600th round before cleaning, might as well throw this motherfucker in the jingweeds."

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Since now we're on our second, or third thread derail, what do you think would be more likely to cause a missed shot, a dirty barrel that was shooting just fine last time you were out, or a barrel freshly cleaned of all copper and carbon?

But back to your original thread derail, do you really not do any load development or zero a rifle until it is broken in, maybe 100-200 rounds? Should a hunting rifle that may not see 100 rounds in it's lifetime never get zero'd?
 
DICKWEED said:
Yet again, you are an idiot. Go to a gun forum and peddle that 400-600 rounds pile of shit.
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Dam mango, you’re wound up too tight. I think you made your point over and over and over. How bout you do you and clean your barrel after every round and everyone else will do them? Happy cleanings.
 
DICKWEED said:
So you are anti cleaning of a firearm but pro lubrication. Interesting...I think that like Paragon, you just like to argue with everybody about anything possible.

Here, I like to separate whites and colors when doing laundry.

Roc Doc:.....

Here is another for you,
It is gayer to suck cock than take it up the ass.

Roc Doc;.....
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Calm down Nancy, I'm just sharing my experiences. My precision rifles don't care about cold bore shots, but they do take a couple fouling rounds after a good cleaning. I don't clean after every match, maybe every third so that's 250 or so, whereas a BR shooter may clean between strings of fire...but those guys are weirdos.
 
I make sure and run a nice copper-washed steel patch through my barrel on a lead jag from time to time.

It cleans the sand and pocket lint out of the barrel from carrying it every day very nicely.
 
Meh, you guys can't debate or see another perspective and I believe all 3 of you are on the west coast so that explains a lot. Never said a thing about cleaning after every shot, clearly stated that I worked towards zero during break in, never said I was ever in the Army, but, hey, it the three stooges story so keep adding to it.

I was speaking on long distance shooting and the rifles that are used. Some dude chimes in with AR's and now another dude is talking about getting lint out of his pistol. You guys can't stick to the subject or the facts so it is useless trying to show you another perspective or God forbid, another school of thought.

I guess if you can scab together a gun out of spare parts, build an AR and sling rounds in your backyard or a range, that makes you a custom gun maker, gunsmith and ballistics expert. Oh and master hunter at least knowing a hunting rifle only gets shot 100 times in it's life. I am just an idiot that shot professionally for 17 years and instructed for another 4 years and let me tell you, NOTHING I ever learned or was taught is adding up with the level of knowledge you 3 profess. I mean shit, why the fuck didn't we just throw the cleaning kits away? Why the hell did we have range days to break in our rifles after barreling and get to know every aspect of that bullets flight and consistently predict where it would impact? Why the hell weren't we told that our M-14's could be shot 600 times, scratch that, 500 times before we departed zero and then had to clean them? And who knew you could scrub the riflings out of a barrel by cleaning them? You guys are truly wealthy in knowledge. I can only hope people don't take the "facts" from your mouths and ruin perfectly good shooting rifles. And how the hell does a custom gunmaker and professional shooter advise not cleaning the freaking barrel??? I can almost see not properly breaking in the barrel as there are different perspectives in this world, but only swabbing the barrel every couple hundred rounds? C'mon guys, we gave our 416's better love than that.
 
Roc Doc said:
Calm down Nancy, I'm just sharing my experiences. My precision rifles don't care about cold bore shots, but they do take a couple fouling rounds after a good cleaning. I don't clean after every match, maybe every third so that's 250 or so, whereas a BR shooter may clean between strings of fire...but those guys are weirdos.
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Exactly what gun are you "shooting" and what kind of match? I swear to christ if you say pistol, I am driving to fucking Arizona tonight.
 
Badger 2008 bolt action, chambered in 6GT (hence the Gay Tiger comments). PRS matches.
Don't get triggered, get it? Triggered?

These targets were shot at 200yds off a Sinclair front rest and bag rear.

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