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Vaccination mandates on the horizon.

Well washington state has locked out all representatives that are not willing to show proof that they have been vaccinated. Nothing like locking out the opposing party and the voice of the people that put them there.
Shittyness for sure (and surely transgresses the 'legal' line more than what corps are doing to their employees)....but it IS what companies are doing.

Welcome, sir, to what your constituents are facing on a daily basis.

But....seriously, how is that even possible to be implemented?
 
Shittyness for sure (and surely transgresses the 'legal' line more than what corps are doing to their employees)....but it IS what companies are doing.

Welcome, sir, to what your constituents are facing on a daily basis.

But....seriously, how is that even possible to be implemented?
Mein fuhrer inslee knows no bounds or depths of stupidity. He's a fucktarded **** in the very worst possible way.
 
Shittyness for sure (and surely transgresses the 'legal' line more than what corps are doing to their employees)....but it IS what companies are doing.

Welcome, sir, to what your constituents are facing on a daily basis.

But....seriously, how is that even possible to be implemented?
Well they pulled this bullshit on the rest of .gov workers, so it’s only fitting they get a taste of stupid laws they pass.
 
What would happen, if you were a high level company guy who has to fire people, and you decide you will not fire your workers that are not vaxxed?
If the company took a stand against any "suggestions" from the government, I wonder what their potential damage could be. A fine?

I would hope that if I was a big shot somewhere, that I'd be willing to at least look at what I'm faced with if I was to choose to defy their orders and refuse to fire my employees. We need to see this.
 
What would happen, if you were a high level company guy who has to fire people, and you decide you will not fire your workers that are not vaxxed?
If the company took a stand against any "suggestions" from the government, I wonder what their potential damage could be. A fine?

I would hope that if I was a big shot somewhere, that I'd be willing to at least look at what I'm faced with if I was to choose to defy their orders and refuse to fire my employees. We need to see this.
It is simply a suggestion, there is no law so they cant get in trouble.
 
What would happen, if you were a high level company guy who has to fire people, and you decide you will not fire your workers that are not vaxxed?
If the company took a stand against any "suggestions" from the government, I wonder what their potential damage could be. A fine?

I would hope that if I was a big shot somewhere, that I'd be willing to at least look at what I'm faced with if I was to choose to defy their orders and refuse to fire my employees. We need to see this.

They shut you down or squeeze your gonads.


The only San Francisco location of wildly popular California-based fast food chain In-N-Out Burger was temporarily shut down and remains closed for indoor dining after the SF Department of Public Health found the restaurant was not properly enforcing the city’s vaccination mandate for indoor dining, KRON4 reported first. The city shut down the restaurant at 333 Jefferson Street on Thursday, October 14, after learning staff weren’t checking diners’ proof of vaccination or preventing customers without proof of vaccination from entering.


The restaurant has since resumed takeout and outdoor dining, but the company seems to be digging its heels on the vaccination mandate: In a statement provided to Eater SF, In-N-Out Chief Legal & Business Officer Arnie Wensinger says the company believes requiring its staff to enforce a vaccination mandate constitutes government “overreach” and is refusing to do so. “We fiercely disagree with any government dictate that forces a private company to discriminate against customers who choose to patronize their business,” Wensinger’s statement reads. “This is clear governmental overreach and is intrusive, improper, and offensive.”


The government isn't just making suggestions. Remember who issues the business licenses...
 
What would happen, if you were a high level company guy who has to fire people, and you decide you will not fire your workers that are not vaxxed?
If the company took a stand against any "suggestions" from the government, I wonder what their potential damage could be. A fine?

I would hope that if I was a big shot somewhere, that I'd be willing to at least look at what I'm faced with if I was to choose to defy their orders and refuse to fire my employees. We need to see this.
There are thousands of companies that are doing exactly nothing in response to the various decrees. They're not making noise about it because they're not stupid.
 
What would happen, if you were a high level company guy who has to fire people, and you decide you will not fire your workers that are not vaxxed?
If the company took a stand against any "suggestions" from the government, I wonder what their potential damage could be. A fine?

I would hope that if I was a big shot somewhere, that I'd be willing to at least look at what I'm faced with if I was to choose to defy their orders and refuse to fire my employees. We need to see this.
In the case of defense contractors they will deny contracts. We are a big competitor in the night vision world. If we don't comply then there will be one less competitor. They know it, and it's why the government has taken that approach. If companies get government money then they will fold. There is already talk about the audits that will occur.
 
In the case of defense contractors they will deny contracts. We are a big competitor in the night vision world. If we don't comply then there will be one less competitor. They know it, and it's why the government has taken that approach. If companies [don't] get government money then they will fold. There is already talk about the audits that will occur.
This.

In addition to looming audits, my employer said they'd follow the federal guidance on fully vaccinated status however it evolves. This was the expected response but it needed to be said out loud. Many of my vaccinated coworkers were floored when this was revealed. Apparently they were naive in thinking this would end with one-and-done.
 
This.

In addition to looming audits, my employer said they'd follow the federal guidance on fully vaccinated status however it evolves. This was the expected response but it needed to be said out loud. Many of my vaccinated coworkers were floored when this was revealed. Apparently they were naive in thinking this would end with one-and-done.
My defense contracting company currently has around 800 unvaccinated people. That is a fairly crippling number.
 
They shut you down or squeeze your gonads.


The government isn't just making suggestions. Remember who issues the business licenses...

That is fucking awesome. Good for them.

Im waiting to see who enforces it in LA.

I am straight up going to break their shit. :homer:
 
They shut you down or squeeze your gonads.





The government isn't just making suggestions. Remember who issues the business licenses...
licenses: stealing of a freedom and renting it back under terms that the government controls....
 
In the case of defense contractors they will deny contracts. We are a big competitor in the night vision world. If we don't comply then there will be one less competitor. They know it, and it's why the government has taken that approach. If companies get government money then they will fold. There is already talk about the audits that will occur.
What?

Government extorting businesses? That would NEVER happen in America.
 
In the case of defense contractors they will deny contracts. We are a big competitor in the night vision world. If we don't comply then there will be one less competitor. They know it, and it's why the government has taken that approach. If companies get government money then they will fold. There is already talk about the audits that will occur.

just wait till they add that all sub contractors and supply chain need it as well.
 
What would happen, if you were a high level company guy who has to fire people, and you decide you will not fire your workers that are not vaxxed?
If the company took a stand against any "suggestions" from the government, I wonder what their potential damage could be. A fine?

I would hope that if I was a big shot somewhere, that I'd be willing to at least look at what I'm faced with if I was to choose to defy their orders and refuse to fire my employees. We need to see this.
In n Out Burger gave them the :flipoff:
 
What would happen, if you were a high level company guy who has to fire people, and you decide you will not fire your workers that are not vaxxed?
If the company took a stand against any "suggestions" from the government, I wonder what their potential damage could be. A fine?

I would hope that if I was a big shot somewhere, that I'd be willing to at least look at what I'm faced with if I was to choose to defy their orders and refuse to fire my employees. We need to see this.

Thought I read Delta Airlines will not enforce this. Hope it's true but we need to see this everywhere. 90% + are caving.
 
so if rugger has a machine shop making housings for his nogs, they are part of the mandate?
not at this point - but if my machine shop was running on supplying widgets to a government contractor then they could flow it down on their own accord (prior to the gov't doing it). Then it's my choice to give up my cash cow. I see both of those cases possible.
 
so if rugger has a machine shop making housings for his nogs, they are part of the mandate?

not at this point - but if my machine shop was running on supplying widgets to a government contractor then they could flow it down on their own accord (prior to the gov't doing it). Then it's my choice to give up my cash cow. I see both of those cases possible.
Interesting.

I was about to post this before reading rugger's post:

Yes- at least how my employer interprets the guidance. If the nogs were engineered/designed/developed/produced for under a federal contract, yes. If the nogs are a COTS/consumer item the company produces without federal funding, no.
 
not at this point - but if my machine shop was running on supplying widgets to a government contractor then they could flow it down on their own accord (prior to the gov't doing it). Then it's my choice to give up my cash cow. I see both of those cases possible.

Interesting.

I was about to post this before reading rugger's post:

Yes- at least how my employer interprets the guidance. If the nogs were engineered/designed/developed/produced for under a federal contract, yes. If the nogs are a COTS/consumer item the company produces without federal funding, no.

so they did that to stop from creating front companies utilizing newly created sub assembly companies. just like people splitting or doing creative things to get under the 100 employee cap.
 
I am still waiting to be walked out. Looks like if we say we are considering the JJ we could stay employed until Nov 24th. I just got a meeting notice from my second level for tomorrow, we will see how it goes.

Oh yeah, they just released the official numbers after the oct 8th madate to prove your papers.

4,140 roughly out of 9,000 not currently vaxxed 🤣

We are roughly 2k+ office folks and the rest shop. The IAM (shop union in KS) is actively fighting this unlike our engineering union. If 10-15% of the shop walks, the company will not be able to ship parts. I am just hoping 10% of the office will have balls.
 
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