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Vaccination mandates on the horizon.

vikingsven said:
Anyone got the scoop on what Kavanaugh's position on this ruling was? I didn't see him joining the conservatives on this one where I expected to see him.
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He voted against the general vaccine mandate, but the fucker voted for the healthcare workers mandate.
 
OHV Wildcat said:
He voted against the general vaccine mandate, but the fucker voted for the healthcare workers mandate.
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I think this will come back through another avenue. I am 100% against any mandate regardless of how safe it is or isn't, But there is a long history of the fed using purse strings to make others follow their orders. Hopefully this leads to more companies realizing how its a bad idea to hitch your wagon to federal funding. Hopefully we see hospitals start dropping medicare and medicaid coverage in response.
 
Void_of_Light said:
I think this will come back through another avenue. I am 100% against any mandate regardless of how safe it is or isn't, But there is a long history of the fed using purse strings to make others follow their orders. Hopefully this leads to more companies realizing how its a bad idea to hitch your wagon to federal funding. Hopefully we see hospitals start dropping medicare and medicaid coverage in response.
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You're probably right. Maybe IRS? As in "the tax break for employers to provide health insurance is only a good investment when we can trust the maturity of the insured. If your company is providing health insurance to the unvaxxed, we'll have to remove that tax break." Some shit like that.
 
OHV Wildcat said:
You're probably right. Maybe IRS? As in "the tax break for employers to provide health insurance is only a good investment when we can trust the maturity of the insured. If your company is providing health insurance to the unvaxxed, we'll have to remove that tax break." Some shit like that.
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That's possible, but I think the across the board mandate is dead now. The healthcare one is what I was talking about. The reason it stood was because its dependent on the employer taking federal funds. Unfortunately that's been settled law for decades. They can pretty much set terms if you want their money.
 
Void_of_Light said:
I think this will come back through another avenue. I am 100% against any mandate regardless of how safe it is or isn't, But there is a long history of the fed using purse strings to make others follow their orders. Hopefully this leads to more companies realizing how its a bad idea to hitch your wagon to federal funding. Hopefully we see hospitals start dropping medicare and medicaid coverage in response.
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100%

"you're getting a federal loan?" - jab
"you're getting federal tax relief?" - jab
"you're getting audited.... " - jab
"you do work for companies that get federal funds, tax breaks, etc?" - jab

SCOTUS really didn't rule on COTUS, it seams. They towed the line very well to give everyone what they want.
 
Void_of_Light said:
That's possible, but I think the across the board mandate is dead now. The healthcare one is what I was talking about. The reason it stood was because its dependent on the employer taking federal funds. Unfortunately that's been settled law for decades. They can pretty much set terms if you want their money.
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Their money is a pretty loose term here.
 
MigGunslinger said:
The businesses still acted as though it was going into effect and nothing is stopping them from going forward on their own with Vaccine mandates. People were harassed and fired and some probably caved and got the jab even though they did not want or need it, which is all this was really about, punishing those who do not blindly comply with top down government orders.

In a way this is a win, if something this blatantly unconstitutional were allowed to stand under review from SCOTUS it would be the end of seperation of powers, states rights, even law itself.

In the broader context this is still a loss, the federal government proved to itself yet again that if they can use the unelected bureaucracy to force through unconstitutional actions and set the timelines short enough, then they can largely achieve their goals before anyone can stop them. We will be seeing MUCH more of this in the coming years from all of the assholes in Washington, left and right.
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Not all companies did this. We didn’t. I held out until last weekend. Last weekend I told employees they need to submit paperwork if they want to be considered vaxxed do not reply if you believe in medical privacy and liberty. Gave the unit Feb when the stupid testing was to be implemented. This was to meet the good faith effort of complying. Sent email yesterday informing employees SC blocked it and we were no longer collecting. Most employees got it, only 2 turned stuff in.

Now, I need to figure out how to recruit from the freedom hating companies. Because I need more employees.
 
Void_of_Light said:
Hopefully we see hospitals start dropping medicare and medicaid coverage in response.
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Not gonna happen. Hospitals LOVE federal money. They always pay on time. They also provide a large portion of the budget at most hospitals, especially your not for profit (which is a scam in itself) health care entities. My primary employer as a nurse relies on 85% of its funds from CMS. I'm really interested to see how this plays out in the next few weeks. Pre SCOTUS trial, there was no option for weekly testing for healthcare, it was get vaxxed or get lost, no exemptions. I was able to get a religious exemption approved, so it will be interesting to see if they allow the exemptions now
 
Red75bronco said:
Not all companies did this. We didn’t. I held out until last weekend.
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That's good, we are under 100 so I did not have to go through that with my employees. The employer / employee relationship can be strained enough without forcing us to regulate and track their medical info as well.

If the feds had any balls they would go door to door in battle rattle trying to poke people but the pussies hide behind employers.
 

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So, again... WHY the request that EVERYONE get vaccinated? I knew from the get go that most would go through it. So did they.
 
flecker said:

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So, again... WHY the request that EVERYONE get vaccinated? I knew from the get go that most would go through it. So did they.
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Yep. A virus is gonna virus, and it has been virus-ing. Seems to be that it's more infectious but far less severe this round, isn't that virus 101?
 
Void_of_Light said:
I think this will come back through another avenue. I am 100% against any mandate regardless of how safe it is or isn't, But there is a long history of the fed using purse strings to make others follow their orders. Hopefully this leads to more companies realizing how its a bad idea to hitch your wagon to federal funding. Hopefully we see hospitals start dropping medicare and medicaid coverage in response.
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Health insurance companies. "you employ more than 100 people, well here's your insurance rate per vaccinated employee vs non-vaccinated"
 
Tin Roof said:
Health insurance companies. "you employ more than 100 people, well here's your insurance rate per vaccinated employee vs non-vaccinated"
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They use real statistics though, like the ones showing how deaths in working age people are up 40 percent and that can't be blamed on not being jabbed.
 
I got a big step in the right direction - My company backed off today!

"...we will not be requiring vaccines or mandatory testing at this point in time. However, as a reminder, it is critical that every employee enter their vaccination status into the system by January 31, 2022..."

They still want to track it though, because "we may move forward with these requirements in the future."
 
Kaptain said:
Yep. A virus is gonna virus, and it has been virus-ing. Seems to be that it's more infectious but far less severe this round, isn't that virus 101?
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Has been since 1918. Some old folks that lived through Spanish Flu still had natural immunity 80 years later.
 
Yota Up said:
Has been since 1918. Some old folks that lived through Spanish Flu still had natural immunity 80 years later.
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I was reading something that they think the swine flu was the Spanish flu that reemerged somehow, that's why it primarily killed younger people.
 
Yarz said:
I got a big step in the right direction - My company backed off today!

"...we will not be requiring vaccines or mandatory testing at this point in time. However, as a reminder, it is critical that every employee enter their vaccination status into the system by January 31, 2022..."

They still want to track it though, because "we may move forward with these requirements in the future."
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Sounds like you refuse to give the answer and when or if they fire you for it sue them to death.
 
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I was aggravated by the mandates previously. Now I'm furious. Wife being in healthcare is going to be mandated to keep getting boosters unless something wild happens.

Thus far Omicron has been a big nothing burger aside from a cold for myself and many of my friends. Hell I went camping and rode my mountain bike.
However, my wife and many of her friends have had a ROUGH time with it. Wife popped positive for the 2nd time after 11 days. Fever on days 9 and 10. Hospital says (before the 2nd test) "you're out of your 5 day quarantine its not covid, go to work", so she has been working and seeing patients sick as a dog.

I'm not vaxed, 90 percent of my buddies arent, and we have pretty much all had a very minor time with it. She is vaxed and has had an awful time with it. Her friends who are vaxed are also having a rough go. Much harder than the first time we had it in 2020 with no vax. And this is supposed to be a "weaker variant". How in the hell can they FORCE a shot that from a casual observation made my wife SICKER than she was previously with no shot? I've already told her no pressure from me, we will find her another job outside of healthcare. She does NOT want the booster.
 
Whats super dumb about the healthcare mandate is most of the doctors and nurses have natural immunity already. They send the unvaxxed home or fire them but if you are vaxxed and test positive they are telling those people to report for duty. Insane.
 
Animalmother said:
Whats super dumb about the healthcare mandate is most of the doctors and nurses have natural immunity already. They send the unvaxxed home or fire them but if you are vaxxed and test positive they are telling those people to report for duty. Insane.
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Previously infected and never vaxxed immunity is 200% better than never infected and vaxxed immunity. But we're not the least bit concerned with facts or data or anything reasonable, so fuck it- stab everybody with murna.
 
45acp said:
Previously infected and never vaxxed immunity is 200% better than never infected and vaxxed immunity. But we're not the least bit concerned with facts or data or anything reasonable, so fuck it- stab everybody with murna.
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I'm 200%!

YAY! :grinpimp:
 
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