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Trump's chances of winning? Down to the wire, you're Chic Anderson - make the call.

A German reminding a bunch of Americans that they cannot purge fellow citizens. Really? You make this too fucking easy. As Regan said, “If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism.”. The fascist mantle has firmly been grasped by liberals, not conservatives. It is liberals who try and silence those with even a hint of difference from liberal ideology, see the response to JK Rowling’s opinion on gender. It is liberals who create violence in the streets, see every major fucking city.

You have the temerity to compare America to Iran. This comparison tells us all how little you actually know. If you had any knowledge about Iran, you would firmly be aware that Iran’s “social contract” is very similar to the standard democratic socialism prevalent in Europe (free education, free healthcare, free retirement income, etc.). All of it sucks, but it’s free, so who cares.

Your premise that Americans reject expansive social contracts is correct, but your reasons are fundamentally flawed. America has rejected democratic socialism and I think will continue to reject it tomorrow. The reason isn’t because we are “regressive, sectarian, fundamentalist, unable to change, trapped by their own ideologies”. Quite the opposite, a free and open market based approach has proven to be the most successful model in the history of mankind.

You asked how we plan to deal with them. Pretty easy, it isn’t my problem to deal with them. We have always had a wax and wane of liberalism in this country, see FDR and LBJ’s great society, and we always will, but you knew that already. If we are being honest, you didn’t really post the question to elicit a response to the question. You posted it to throw shade at America and Americans. You did however mistakenly touch on one thing we can agree on. America and Russia are similar in one regard……beating that kraut ass when it needs it.


Well look at that, a well formulated, thought out response. Reagan and Trump are very alike in their approach.

I'd fully agree with you, if not for reality. In a perfect world, free market will work. Get an education, work, have healthcare, raise a family and go on vacation.

Look at the looting and rioting. So I ask, when they come to your town what is your plan? Kill fellow Americans that are down? Civil war?
It's a plan that will work. I admit that. It's just not humane. It disregards human rights. It's fascism in the definition.
 
You're right...what was I thinking? Hood rat...should've known you were talking about poor white people in the mountains. Silly me. Here I thought you actually meant the "hood."

You're weak.

Also, racism and stereotypes are two different things. If I say trailer trash, and you don't admit to thinking poor white people, you're lying.

Ok fine. I'll give you this one fucker. :flipoff2:
 
Well look at that, a well formulated, thought out response. Reagan and Trump are very alike in their approach.

I'd fully agree with you, if not for reality. In a perfect world, free market will work. Get an education, work, have healthcare, raise a family and go on vacation.

Look at the looting and rioting. So I ask, when they come to your town what is your plan? Kill fellow Americans that are down? Civil war?
It's a plan that will work. I admit that. It's just not humane. It disregards human rights. It's fascism in the definition.

There is a lot to divulge into, but you're wrong, a free market also works in reality. What you fail to realize is that the people being suppressed have been so by the same people you're championing for. They don't want them to succeed.

Have you ever actually been to an American ghetto?

Also, those people will not come to the countryside. You might find this hard to believe, but they're more afraid of deer, coyotes, elk, and bears than they are white people with guns. :flipoff2:
 
Well look at that, a well formulated, thought out response. Reagan and Trump are very alike in their approach.

I'd fully agree with you, if not for reality. In a perfect world, free market will work. Get an education, work, have healthcare, raise a family and go on vacation.

Look at the looting and rioting. So I ask, when they come to your town what is your plan? Kill fellow Americans that are down? Civil war?
It's a plan that will work. I admit that. It's just not humane. It disregards human rights. It's fascism in the definition.

what does the looting and rioting have to do with "free market" :confused: statewide mandated shutdowns, stay at home orders, mandated masks, communist revolution, those are the conditions for the looting and rioting.

and you want to lay those on the feet of free market? :lmao:

kill fellow americans? no. Defend yourself when somebody else tries to kill you? absolutely.
 
There is a lot to divulge into, but you're wrong, a free market also works in reality. What you fail to realize is that the people being suppressed have been so by the same people you're championing for. They don't want them to succeed.

Have you ever actually been to an American ghetto?

Also, those people will not come to the countryside. You might find this hard to believe, but they're more afraid of deer, coyotes, elk, and bears than they are white people with guns. :flipoff2:

I lived in Los Altos Hills, and in Antioch when it was already a shit hole. It's not like I haven't lived in the USA...

The one time our camper broke down in Stockton it was a gas station party of lowrider thugs. I know more rap/hip hop/rnb songs by heart and had some illegal (at that time) weed with me. My and my girlfriend (now wife) joined the party. We spoke German and rapped black. Left out certain words. It was a very cool evening. I have not been in south central et al.

Explain to me why those I champion are those you say. And don't copy and paste Trump's approved message about racist Biden 17363 years ago.
(Statues, out of context, what people did back in the day, it was a different time yadda yadda)
 
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what does the looting and rioting have to do with "free market" :confused: statewide mandated shutdowns, stay at home orders, mandated masks, communist revolution, those are the conditions for the looting and rioting.

and you want to lay those on the feet of free market? :lmao:

kill fellow americans? no. Defend yourself when somebody else tries to kill you? absolutely.

If they had a chance in the free market they wouldn't be demonstrating / rioting / looting. They'd be busy working like normal people. But here we are.

I don't believe, but I pray for a landslide one way or the other. If Biden takes it, great - country is moving forward to decency. If Trump takes it, I feel it's going backwards in many regards. If Trump takes it, and he probably will, it means it will take two generations of free thinking to cone back to decency. But he wants, what's it called? Patriotic education?
i understand being proud of ones Country, but I see children chanting like .... Oh fuckit...

I cannot explain fascism to someone. You will need to experience it firsthand.
 
If they had a chance in the free market they wouldn't be demonstrating / rioting / looting. They'd be busy working like normal people. But here we are.

I don't believe, but I pray for a landslide one way or the other. If Biden takes it, great - country is moving forward to decency. If Trump takes it, I feel it's going backwards in many regards. If Trump takes it, and he probably will, it means it will take two generations of free thinking to cone back to decency. But he wants, what's it called? Patriotic education?
i understand being proud of ones Country, but I see children chanting like .... Oh fuckit...

I cannot explain fascism to someone. You will need to experience it firsthand.

Decency. Like... uh... pussy hats? 8yr old gender reassignment surgery? Letting the population burn down businesses? Pedophilia normalization? Actively burying crimes committed by anyone on the left? Complete eradication of the 1st ammendment on college campuses? (I mean I can keep going and make a really big paragraph)

Sorry dude... the "decency" thing is just trolololololol
 
You go to the ghetto and rap ******. Post the video.

:laughing:

it works out, apparently, exactly opposite of how you expect.

I will say that i have had 1 person (that i can recall) who said they didn't like appreciate it, regardless of who said it. Told him it was his car and i meant it in the same way as the artist, not particularly any leaning on my own feeling. he never played rap again afterwards, around me anyways. (edit: it wasn't just me and him and he wasn't the only colored person {as you liberals like to say} in the car)

i guess i did have another guy who thought he was tough and was going to punk me over it. of course, he wasn't tough and didn't do shit, but it took him a minute or so to figure that out. that wasn't involving rap, just a general greeting though :rasta:

otherwise, i've never been around anybody who was black (especially hood or ghetto) that gave a single concern about ****** in a rap, especially in a well known song. i don't care that eminem doesn't say ******. i'm not writing my own lyrics :rasta:
 
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If they had a chance in the free market they wouldn't be demonstrating / rioting / looting. They'd be busy working like normal people. But here we are.

I don't believe, but I pray for a landslide one way or the other. If Biden takes it, great - country is moving forward to decency. If Trump takes it, I feel it's going backwards in many regards. If Trump takes it, and he probably will, it means it will take two generations of free thinking to cone back to decency. But he wants, what's it called? Patriotic education?
i understand being proud of ones Country, but I see children chanting like .... Oh fuckit...

I cannot explain fascism to someone. You will need to experience it firsthand.

you are incredibly wrong. it was (and sometimes still is) illegal to be busy working normal people.

trump won't bring facsism. he hasn't done it yet. are you so concerned that the leftist outrage will be so great that they will get the police state they crave?

Oregon has activated the National Guard in advance of Election Day ! iiiiiiitttssss commmingggg! riots have outlived their voter intimidation usefulness. biden wins, NG cracks skulls. Trump wins, police will be defunded in protest and NG will be muzzled again. (until federal funding creates diplomatic pressure on the states for reversal)

but then, whose fault is that? who controls those groups?
 
I remember a time when fam was off limits.
​​​​​​You could be a decent little fucker, but you ain't.

I expect more of you, really.

I expect nothing of you. And you deliver. Every. Fucking. Time.
 
If they had a chance in the free market they wouldn't be demonstrating / rioting / looting. They'd be busy working like normal people. But here we are.

I don't believe, but I pray for a landslide one way or the other. If Biden takes it, great - country is moving forward to decency. If Trump takes it, I feel it's going backwards in many regards. If Trump takes it, and he probably will, it means it will take two generations of free thinking to cone back to decency. But he wants, what's it called? Patriotic education?
i understand being proud of ones Country, but I see children chanting like .... Oh fuckit...

I cannot explain fascism to someone. You will need to experience it firsthand.

children chanting and singing, you say? you didnt build that, Obama did.

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/hp/...sters_outside_Burlington_Township_school.html

and...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gtfizIbBDI
 
I lived in Los Altos Hills, and in Antioch when it was already a shit hole. It's not like I haven't lived in the USA...

The one time our camper broke down in Stockton it was a gas station party of lowrider thugs. I know more rap/hip hop/rnb songs by heart and had some illegal (at that time) weed with me. My and my girlfriend (now wife) joined the party. We spoke German and rapped black. Left out certain words. It was a very cool evening. I have not been in south central et al.

Explain to me why those I champion are those you say. And don't copy and paste Trump's approved message about racist Biden 17363 years ago.
(Statues, out of context, what people did back in the day, it was a different time yadda yadda)

It’s not rocket science to see what has happened to American manufacturing, where those jobs were located, and who sold them out. Jobs have left inner cities, which are predominantly minority populated, this giving them no decent income.

Culture has had an effect as well, but whether it was solely the cause is debatable. Hands down, without a desirable, reliable source of income, people will become impoverished. It has happened here, just north of me. Obama killed a lot of jobs and the place is falling apart.
 
Not sure if a single president is to blame for that
​​​​​​.... Said foot im mouth I guess, eh?


It's all fucked.
 
I cannot explain fascism to someone. You will need to experience it firsthand.

Please tell the class which fascist regime you lived under and how it qualifies you as an expert. I ask on behalf of a country that helped saved yours not so long ago
 
Not sure if a single president is to blame for that
​​​​​​.... Said foot im mouth I guess, eh?


It's all fucked.

Actually, Lyndon Johnson is responsible for creating generational poverty.

https://fee.org/articles/poverty-in-the-us-was-plummeting-until-lyndon-johnson-declared-war-on-it/


Poverty in the U.S. Was Plummeting—Until Lyndon Johnson Declared War On It

Yet again, government intervention hurts those it is intended to help.

Tuesday, October 16, 2018


Daniel J. Mitchell


Economics Economic Education Welfare State Marginal Tax Rate
One of the more elementary observations about economics is that a nation’s prosperity is determined in part by the quantity and quality of labor and capital. These “factors of production” are combined to generate national income.

I frequently grouse that punitive tax policies discourage capital. There’s less incentive to invest, after all, if the government imposes extra layers of tax on income that is saved and invested.

Bad tax laws also discourage labor. High marginal tax rates penalize people for being productive, and this can be especially counterproductive for entrepreneurship and innovation.

Still, we shouldn’t overlook how government discourages low-income people from being productively employed. But the problem is more on the spending side of the fiscal equation.
The Welfare State's Effect on the Poor


In Thursday's Wall Street Journal, John Early and Phil Gramm share some depressing numbers about growing dependency in the United States:
During the 20 years before the War on Poverty was funded, the portion of the nation living in poverty had dropped to 14.7% from 32.1%. Since 1966, the first year with a significant increase in antipoverty spending, the poverty rate reported by the Census Bureau has been virtually unchanged…Transfers targeted to low-income families increased in real dollars from an average of $3,070 per person in 1965 to $34,093 in 2016…Transfers now constitute 84.2% of the disposable income of the poorest quintile of American households and 57.8% of the disposable income of lower-middle-income households. These payments also make up 27.5% of America’s total disposable income.​

This massive expansion of redistribution has negatively impacted incentives to work:
The stated goal of the War on Poverty is not just to raise living standards but also to make America’s poor more self-sufficient and to bring them into the mainstream of the economy. In that effort the war has been an abject failure, increasing dependency and largely severing the bottom fifth of earners from the rewards and responsibilities of work…The expanding availability of antipoverty transfers has devastated the work effort of poor and lower-middle income families. By 1975 the lowest-earning fifth of families had 24.8% more families with a prime-work age head and no one working than did their middle-income peers. By 2015 this differential had risen to 37.1%…The War on Poverty has increased dependency and failed in its primary effort to bring poor people into the mainstream of America’s economy and communal life. Government programs replaced deprivation with idleness, stifling human flourishing. It happened just as President Franklin Roosevelt said it would: “The lessons of history,” he said in 1935, “show conclusively that continued dependency upon relief induces a spiritual and moral disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fiber.”​

In another WSJ column on the same topic, Peter Cove reached a similar conclusion:
America doesn’t have a worker shortage; it has a work shortage. The unemployment rate is at a 15-year low, but only 55% of Americans adults 18 to 64 have full-time jobs. Nearly 95 million people have removed themselves entirely from the job market. According to demographer Nicholas Eberstadt, the labor-force participation rate for men 25 to 54 is lower now than it was at the end of the Great Depression. The welfare state is largely to blame… insisting on work in exchange for social benefits would succeed in reducing dependency. We have the data: Within 10 years of the 1996 reform, the number of Americans in the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program fell 60%. But no reform is permanent. Under President Obama, federal poverty programs ballooned.​

Edward Glaeser produced a similar indictment in an article for City Journal:
In 1967, 95 percent of “prime-age” men between the ages of 25 and 54 worked. During the Great Recession, though, the share of jobless prime-age males rose above 20 percent. Even today, long after the recession officially ended, more than 15 percent of such men aren’t working… The rise of joblessness—especially among men—is the great American domestic crisis of the twenty-first century. It is a crisis of spirit more than of resources… Proposed solutions that focus solely on providing material benefits are a false path. Well-meaning social policies—from longer unemployment insurance to more generous disability diagnoses to higher minimum wages—have only worsened the problem; the futility of joblessness won’t be solved with a welfare check… various programs make joblessness more bearable, at least materially; they also reduce the incentives to find work… The past decade or so has seen a resurgent progressive focus on inequality—and little concern among progressives about the downsides of discouraging work… The decision to prioritize equality over employment is particularly puzzling, given that social scientists have repeatedly found that unemployment is the greater evil.​
Encouraging Dependency


Why work, though, when the government pays you not to work?

And that unfortunate cost-benefit analysis is being driven by ever-greater levels of dependency.

Writing for Forbes, Professor Jeffrey Dorfman echoed these findings:
…our current welfare system fails to prepare people to take care of themselves, makes poor people more financially fragile, and creates incentives to remain on welfare forever… The first failure of government welfare programs is to favor help with current consumption while placing almost no emphasis on job training or anything else that might allow today’s poor people to become self-sufficient in the future… It is the classic story of giving a man a fish or teaching him how to fish. Government welfare programs hand out lots of fish but never seem to teach people how to fish for themselves. The problem is not a lack of job training programs, but rather the fact that the job training programs fail to help people… The third flaw in the government welfare system is the way that benefits phase out as a recipient’s income increases… a poor family trying to escape poverty pays an effective marginal tax rate that is considerably higher than a middle class family and higher than or roughly equal to the marginal tax rate of a family in the top one percent.​

I like that he also addressed problems such as implicit marginal tax rates and the failure of job-training programs.

Professor Lee Ohanian of the Hoover Institution reinforces the point that the welfare state provides lots of money in ways that stifle personal initiative:
Inequality is not an issue that policy should address… Society, however, should care about creating economic opportunities for the lowest earners… a family of four at the poverty level has about $22,300 per year of pre-tax income. Consumption for that same family of four on average, however, is about $44,000 per year, which means that their consumption level is about twice as high as their income… We’re certainly providing many more resources to low-earning families today. But on the other hand, we have policies in place that either limit economic opportunities for low earners or distort the incentives for those earners to achieve prosperity.​

I’ve been citing lots of articles, which might be tedious, so let’s take a break with a video about the welfare state from the American Enterprise Institute.




By the way, it isn’t just libertarians and conservatives who recognize the problem.

Coming from a left-of-center perspective, Catherine Rampell explains in the Washington Post how welfare programs discourage work:
…today’s social safety net discourages poor people from working, or at least from earning more money… you might qualify for some welfare programs, such as food stamps, housing vouchers, child-care subsidies and Medicaid. But if you get a promotion, or longer hours, or a second job, or otherwise start making more, these benefits will start to evaporate—and sometimes quite abruptly. You can think about this loss of benefits as a kind of extra tax on low-income people… Americans at or just above the poverty line typically face marginal tax rates of 34 percent. That is, for every additional dollar they earn, they keep only 66 cents… One in 10 families with earnings close to the poverty line faces a marginal tax rate of at least 65 percent, the CBO found… You don’t need to be a hardcore conservative to see how this system might make working longer hours, or getting a better job, less attractive than it might otherwise be.​

To understand what this means, the Illinois Policy Institute calculated how poor people in the state are trapped in dependency:
The potential sum of welfare benefits can reach $47,894 annually for single-parent households and $41,237 for two-parent households. Welfare benefits will be available to some households earning as much as $74,880 annually… A single mom has the most resources available to her family when she works full time at a wage of $8.25 to $12 an hour. Disturbingly, taking a pay increase to $18 an hour can leave her with about one-third fewer total resources (net income and government benefits). In order to make work “pay” again, she would need an hourly wage of $38 to mitigate the impact of lost benefits and higher taxes.​

Agreeing that there’s a problem does not imply agreement about a solution.


Folks on the left think the solution to high implicit tax rates (i.e., the dependency trap) is to make benefits more widely available. In other words, don’t reduce handouts as income increases.

The other alternative is to make benefits less generous, which will simultaneously reduce implicit tax rates and encourage more work.

I’m sympathetic to the latter approach, but my view is that welfare programs should be designed and financed by state and local governments. We’re far more likely to see innovation as policymakers in different areas experiment with the best ways of preventing serious deprivation while also encouraging self-sufficiency.

I think we’ll find out that benefits should be lower, but maybe we’ll learn in certain cases that benefits should be expanded. But we won’t learn anything so long as there is a one-size-fits-all approach from Washington.

Let’s close with a political observation. A columnist for the New York Times is frustrated that many low-income voters are supporting Republicans because they see how their neighbors are being harmed by dependency:
Parts of the country that depend on the safety-net programs supported by Democrats are increasingly voting for Republicans who favor shredding that net… The people in these communities who are voting Republican in larger proportions are those who are a notch or two up the economic ladder—the sheriff’s deputy, the teacher, the highway worker, the motel clerk, the gas station owner and the coal miner. And their growing allegiance to the Republicans is, in part, a reaction against what they perceive, among those below them on the economic ladder, as a growing dependency on the safety net, the most visible manifestation of downward mobility in their declining towns… I’ve heard variations on this theme all over the country: people railing against the guy across the street who is collecting disability payments but is well enough to go fishing, the families using their food assistance to indulge in steaks.​

It’s not my role to pontificate about politics, so I won’t address that part of the column. But I will say that I’ve also found that hostility to welfare is strongest among those who have first-hand knowledge of how dependency hurts people.

P.S. If you want evidence for why Washington should get out of the business of income redistribution, check out this visual depiction of the welfare state:

wm-welfare-chart-ar-amendment-110215-jpeg.jpg


P.S. The Canadians can teach us some good lessons about welfare reform.

P.P.S. The Nordic nations also provide valuable lessons, at least from the don’t-do-this perspective.

P.P.P.S. Last but not least, there’s a Laffer-type relationship between welfare spending and poverty.
 
Would you say my Grandpa lived under a fascist regime?

I cant say I know anything about the man. I will say hearing stories from him makes you about as much of an expert as anyone that's read a book about it. Please, no matter who wins, stop trying to get whatever form of citizenship here you were aiming for. Freedom clearly isn't for you.
 
If they had a chance in the free market they wouldn't be demonstrating / rioting / looting. They'd be busy working like normal people. But here we are.

I don't believe, but I pray for a landslide one way or the other. If Biden takes it, great - country is moving forward to decency. If Trump takes it, I feel it's going backwards in many regards. If Trump takes it, and he probably will, it means it will take two generations of free thinking to cone back to decency. But he wants, what's it called? Patriotic education?
i understand being proud of ones Country, but I see children chanting like .... Oh fuckit...

I cannot explain fascism to someone. You will need to experience it firsthand.

Yes I agree they do need a free market, get rid of the lockdowns, restrictions, minimum wage (that makes jobs illegal, i.e free market) etc...

I cannot explain free market to someone, you would need to experience it first hand!:flipoff2:

I'm including me in this as I have been living under a centrist controlled shit state since birth and a Biden presidency is a return to the W Cheney obama era of american greatness and world leadership. So awesome bombing the fuck out of poor countries....
 
I cringe at what NPR might have done to this series. Their last version in 2016 was still mostly ok.


It's a history piece, people should watch for that factor if none other. Slow moving like any Frontline episode of course, but it's decent.
 
Please tell the class which fascist regime you lived under and how it qualifies you as an expert. I ask on behalf of a country that helped saved yours not so long ago

Germany, present day except its economic this time. The country that sucked all the tit from the EU and FORCED UK to leave once everyone saw the truth. I can't wait to see Germany fall at the lead of the Euro.
 
I can't imagine NPR being objective about anything on McDonald. What says you ? And you have to try xtra hard not to rant/rave about the Nuttsack. Convince me I should watch it. I listen to their classical music on broadcast radio, turned the other shit off years ago.
 
I cant say I know anything about the man. I will say hearing stories from him makes you about as much of an expert as anyone that's read a book about it. Please, no matter who wins, stop trying to get whatever form of citizenship here you were aiming for. Freedom clearly isn't for you.

He already been denied. He's NOT WELCOME officially. That's why he's so bitter towards our great existence. He's a bitter worthless eurofag **** bitch. If Germany was so fucking great he'd never applied to leave.

:laughing:

:usa:

Fuck you.
 
I can't imagine NPR being objective about anything on McDonald. What says you ? And you have to try xtra hard not to rant/rave about the Nuttsack. Convince me I should watch it. I listen to their classical music on broadcast radio, turned the other shit off years ago.


It's just a history piece. Like {gary} ... :cookie:

All the episode is... would be who / where they came from / highlights of their lives on their way to "choice 2020" vs who we're voting between today.

It shows how Joe is an emotional basketcase over several decades, and conversely Donald as a true leader who has always been in denial of his failures. That's all one can glean from it, so give it a moment of your precious time, before you die. :laughing:


All your love is gone
So sing a lonely song
Of a deep blue dream
Seven horses seem
To be on the ...Mark


:flipoff2:
 
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