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Tourist submarine exploring Titanic wreckage disappears in Atlantic Ocean

shortbus4x4 said:
Yep, dumbasses. You only do that when you're starting the bolts and if you have done stuff like this for a long time you even start them in a pattern.
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I couldn't imagine watching that happen and be perfectly fine with that thing being exposed to anything more than a dusty whale fart.

Arrogant and stupid is a real bitch of a combination. God help ya if you put your life in the hands of someone like that.
 
MuntCuffin said:
I couldn't imagine watching that happen and be perfectly fine with that thing being exposed to anything more than a dusty whale fart.

Arrogant and stupid is a real bitch of a combination. God help ya if you put your life in the hands of someone like that.
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It's all good, once you're a few thousand feet down the pressure will hold the end caps on with no need for bolts.:flipoff2:
 
shortbus4x4 said:
It's all good, once you're a few thousand feet down the pressure will hold the end caps on with no need for bolts.:flipoff2:
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I appreciate the discoverer mindset. But damn. This thing looks like it belongs in the "that's methed up" thread. The more you learn about this turd, the worse it gets.

And people paid a fuckload of money to ride in this and not one of them sat in it, watched the closing procedure, and noped right the fuck out. That's something I really can't get over. Are we that "specialized" in our professions that a man can't recognize ghettofab bullshit when they see it? Or at least recognize what they are asking of the machine?

People is silly sometimes.
 
WLDWUN said:
cant find the video

it was Beebe and Barton back in the 1930s
they lowered it to a depth of only 3000 feet when it started leaking in

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Thanks, that must be the one I’m thinking of.

Are you this top comment guy?
I’m the bottom commenter

If not you others remember and are looking too

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Yota Up said:
You're telling me that my kid changing the tire on our car was careful about tightening the lugnuts in a star pattern yet these inspirational adults were not?
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So it would appear
shortbus4x4 said:
Yep, dumbasses. You only do that when you're starting the bolts and if you have done stuff like this for a long time you even start them in a pattern.
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They took "what could possibly go wrong" as a challenge...

Aaron Z
 
WLDWUN said:
I keep hearing they knew what happened but didn't tell people.

I do feel they had a very good idea that the sub was lost.
they lost communication at 9:45
Navy heard what appeared to be an implosion at the same time.

until they have visual confirmation, it is in everyone bests interest to state we are trying to find the sub.
as soon as they had that confirmation, all info was released, and to the families first as it should have.

if a planes last transmission, is we are going down in the Amazon, you cannot say everyone died, until you can confirm that fact.
doesn't matter if it was dropping at mach 2 vertically.
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True but you can say the plane crashed. Not we have lost contact with the plane but it may still be ok. They knew it was fucked when it happened. It appears they used it for distraction from other negative political events happening at the same time. Never let a crisis go to waste…
 
det107 said:
Pretty sure it was a news article on social media but after researching, I came across the reddit r/OceanGate Titan forum & it has a repost from r/facepalm by bentaxle738, stating about the carbon fiber bamboozle-
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The source is apparently Travel Weekly editor in chief Arnie Weissmann and his 3 part series, the quote comes from part 2: Mission Titanic, Part 2: Delays and an unsettling statement from the OceanGate CEO
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Another interesting tidbit from that series: Mission Titanic, part 3: Trouble ahead, trouble behind

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As I said in my last post, it appears that they took "what could possibly go wrong" as a challenge...

Aaron Z
 
MuntCuffin said:
I appreciate the discoverer mindset. But damn. This thing looks like it belongs in the "that's methed up" thread. The more you learn about this turd, the worse it gets.

And people paid a fuckload of money to ride in this and not one of them sat in it, watched the closing procedure, and noped right the fuck out. That's something I really can't get over. Are we that "specialized" in our professions that a man can't recognize ghettofab bullshit when they see it? Or at least recognize what they are asking of the machine?

People is silly sometimes.
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In the defense of people who can afford a $250,000 ride in a sub, I doubt they know anything about the proper pattern to torque anything. They probably have never even seen a tire get changed, let alone done it themselves to even think of that :laughing:

And yea people are super specialized these days, it's how you make the big $$$
 
aczlan said:
The source is apparently Travel Weekly editor in chief Arnie Weissmann and his 3 part series, the quote comes from part 2: Mission Titanic, Part 2: Delays and an unsettling statement from the OceanGate CEO
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Another interesting tidbit from that series: Mission Titanic, part 3: Trouble ahead, trouble behind

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As I said in my last post, it appears that they took "what could possibly go wrong" as a challenge...

Aaron Z
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Can you imagine what's going to come out when Plaintiff lawyers begin discovery? This CEO left a bread crumb trail of incompetence that Ray Charles could follow.
 
I wouldn't be too focused on the time-ex carbon rovings unless it was pre-preg (videos seem to show a wet layup process). Plenty of stuff in aviation is shelf lifed, seemingly arbitrarily at times. I've got all sorts of time-ex consumables in the shed that have been scrapped at work but are still perfectly good. Some manufacturers give options for re-lifeing but often the process is more ball ache than just buying new shit.
 
plym49.2 said:
Can you imagine what's going to come out when Plaintiff lawyers begin discovery? This CEO left a bread crumb trail of incompetence that Ray Charles could follow.
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I'll WAG it'll take years just to decide what jurisdiction will try the case(s).

Oceangate Inc. based out of Everett, WA
Doomed dive: North Atlantic Ocean: 41°43'32.99" N -49°56'26.99" W

Canadistan might want their fingers in this pie.
Titan's support/mother ship: Canada-flagged Polar Prince
 
Donk said:
I wouldn't be too focused on the time-ex carbon rovings unless it was pre-preg (videos seem to show a wet layup process). Plenty of stuff in aviation is shelf lifed, seemingly arbitrarily at times. I've got all sorts of time-ex consumables in the shed that have been scrapped at work but are still perfectly good. Some manufacturers give options for re-lifeing but often the process is more ball ache than just buying new shit.
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My favorite when we would do audits was tape with a exp date on it.:laughing:
 
Donk said:
I wouldn't be too focused on the time-ex carbon rovings unless it was pre-preg (videos seem to show a wet layup process). Plenty of stuff in aviation is shelf lifed, seemingly arbitrarily at times. I've got all sorts of time-ex consumables in the shed that have been scrapped at work but are still perfectly good. Some manufacturers give options for re-lifeing but often the process is more ball ache than just buying new shit.
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Last time I followed pro cycling (Tour de France '17) CF frames/forks/and all part made had an indirect expiration date on them.

When I worked for McDonnell Douglas designers and engineers told me CF in aircraft definitely had expiration dates via hours meter.
 
Donk said:
I wouldn't be too focused on the time-ex carbon rovings unless it was pre-preg (videos seem to show a wet layup process). Plenty of stuff in aviation is shelf lifed, seemingly arbitrarily at times. I've got all sorts of time-ex consumables in the shed that have been scrapped at work but are still perfectly good. Some manufacturers give options for re-lifeing but often the process is more ball ache than just buying new shit.
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Difference being the shit you cobble together does not have to protect human life at deep-sea pressures.
 
Curiosity got the better of me. Here are LinkedIn links to some of the inspirational and fun OceanGate employees:

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Customer Focus and Enrichment Manager (WTF is that?): https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-craftsman-76725b173/​
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Director of Logistics and Quality Assurance: https://www.linkedin.com/in/scott-griffith-4b578a26/​
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Operations (might be a 50 YO white guy): https://www.linkedin.com/in/dougvirnig/​
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Director of Administration (office wonk?)(follows Trudeau and SPANX): https://www.linkedin.com/in/amber-bay-5380a17/​
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Electrical Engineer Intern (read his 'About' - LOL): https://www.linkedin.com/in/carlos-rosas-932a1745/​
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Marketing Strategist (previously ran her own cookie company): https://www.linkedin.com/in/emily-gilbert-journalist/​

No venture captal firm would invest in an outfit that lacks key employees with a proven track record of domain success. So who was funding this outfit, anyway?
 
CDA 455 II said:
Last time I followed pro cycling (Tour de France '17) CF frames/forks/and all part made had an indirect expiration date on them.

When I worked for McDonnell Douglas designers and engineers told me CF in aircraft definitely had expiration dates via hours meter.
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You're talking completed components Vs raw materials. Afaik raw carbon rovings, cloth etc don't degrade if stored correctly. How ever the resins themselves and by extension pre-preg (cloth or rovings pre impregnated with resin) will degrade with time to the point of unusablity

Once you turn it into a laminate and put it into service then yes it can potentially have a useful life but that'll be measured in stress cycles or environmental exposure and then assigned a life in hours of usage or on calendar based on extensive testing and mean time between failures.
 
Donk said:
You're talking completed components Vs raw materials. Afaik raw carbon rovings, cloth etc don't degrade if stored correctly. How ever the resins themselves and by extension pre-preg (cloth or rovings pre impregnated with resin) will degrade with time to the point of unusablity

Once you turn it into a laminate and put it into service then yes it can potentially have a useful life but that'll be measured in stress cycles or environmental exposure and then assigned a life in hours of usage or on calendar based on extensive testing and mean time between failures.
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How did they autoclave that tube? Or was not needed? 'Splain how they did it.
 
plym49.2 said:
Difference being the shit you cobble together does not have to protect human life at deep-sea pressures.
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The general consensus in the cycling community for indirect expiration date on CF frames and forks was 10 years from date of production.

Meaning; unless a brand new CF frame and fork was kept in a cave at 60* with no light for 10 years, it was no longer deemed safe to ride/use.
 
Donk said:
You're talking completed components Vs raw materials. Afaik raw carbon rovings, cloth etc don't degrade if stored correctly. How ever the resins themselves and by extension pre-preg (cloth or rovings pre impregnated with resin) will degrade with time to the point of unusablity

Once you turn it into a laminate and put it into service then yes it can potentially have a useful life but that'll be measured in stress cycles or environmental exposure and then assigned a life in hours of usage or on calendar based on extensive testing and mean time between failures.
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Agreed.:beer:

But aren't we talking about produced CF components?
 
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