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Tourist submarine exploring Titanic wreckage disappears in Atlantic Ocean

CDA 455 II said:
I wonder if the waiver has the same strength as a skydiving waiver.🤔

When I flew (not jump) I had to sign a waiver AND be filmed answering the same questions that's on said waiver.
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Still doesn't matter. If someone died and they later found out the company was using monkeys to fold the parachutes (i.e., negligence), they're liable.
 
CDA 455 II said:
I wonder if the waiver has the same strength as a skydiving waiver.🤔

When I flew (not jump) I had to sign a waiver AND be filmed answering the same questions that's on said waiver.
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Doesn’t mean you can’t sue. Just gives the sue-ee a better defense.
 
gt1guy said:
The 3k foot depth is interesting. That thing was fully compromised long before it even left the deck.
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So you're saying that the thing failed around 1/4 of the target depth, and then all that debris fell straight down and all sorta landed in a smallish pile (didn't drift away and spread out).

Dunno.
 
Various currents from depth of implosion to ocean floor would tend to scatter the debris depending on weight and shape of various debris falling.


Muckin_Slusher said:
So you're saying that the thing failed around 1/4 of the target depth, and then all that debris fell straight down and all sorta landed in a smallish pile (didn't drift away and spread out).

Dunno.
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Muckin_Slusher said:
So you're saying that the thing failed around 1/4 of the target depth, and then all that debris fell straight down and all sorta landed in a smallish pile (didn't drift away and spread out).

Dunno.
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Interesting question. From what we know so far the sub was launched pretty much right over Titanic. Reportedly they found two different debris fields. Initially one was reported 500 m and the other 1600 m away. It seems that this information may be revised. But what they are finding are the hard parts, most notably the end bells that are very massive and could conceivably head straight downwards. If there are really two debris fields an implication is that they blew outward, maybe as the carbon fiber cylinder was crushed and shattered into dust.
 
It sure sounds like losing communication was a regular occurrence with this thing. I have a suspicion that it imploded quite a while after they lost contact with it. Judging by how small the debris field is, I'd guess it was fairly deep, though not all the way there.
 
Some of you folks like doing stuff like this. Why don’t you look up the LinkedIn profiles of that hashtag-heavy squad of young and inspirational submersible designers to see if they’ve been edited or perhaps even deleted.
 
Joez said:
It sure sounds like losing communication was a regular occurrence with this thing. I have a suspicion that it imploded quite a while after they lost contact with it. Judging by how small the debris field is, I'd guess it was fairly deep, though not all the way there.
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In the James Cameron video posted earlier, Cameron states that his contact told him that the loss of communication and the sound of the implosion happened at the same time. Now this is not what the media has been reporting over the past week
 
Landslide said:
It makes you wonder about those submarine movies where after they have depth charges go off around them, water starts coming in through plumbing pipes and they frantically shut them down. Is that just Hollywood or reality and if reality, not deep enough pressure to crush the sub?
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Hollywood, plus not at crush depth.

Beat95yj said:
It is always been my opinion that they’re not very legit. I think with the right Lawyer you can still go after them.
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Just means you need a better lawyer and proof that they knowingly did something wrong.
westracing01 said:
The waivers depend. If everything was solid and by the book, the waivers may hold a bit. If you sign a waiver, and the company or person providing said waivered service acted in a knowingly negligent manner, the waiver is on much shakier ground because what you actually signed for was not in fact that which was delivered.

In my line of reasoning anyway.

Signed a waiver to board an experimental sub to do an inherently dangerous thing is one thing... Signing that same waiver to board an experimental sub that was built with parts not certified for the inherently dangerous thing is something else. One would have a reasonable expectation, in absolving the company of responsibility should something go wrong, that the company is providing an experimental vehicle that is as safe as possible... That was not the case.
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Exactly.
Bring in testimony from the maker of the viewport that it was only certified for 1300M, but you repeatedly ran it down to 4000M and there you go.

Aaron Z
 
plym49.2 said:
In the James Cameron video posted earlier, Cameron states that his contact told him that the loss of communication and the sound of the implosion happened at the same time. Now this is not what the media has been reporting over the past week
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That's because it was used a distraction.

If it wasn't, all we would've heard is that a sub imploded on the way to the Titanic and all hands lost.
 
aczlan said:
Hollywood, plus not at crush depth.


Just means you need a better lawyer and proof that they knowingly did something wrong.

Exactly.
Bring in testimony from the maker of the viewport that it was only certified for 1300M, but you repeatedly ran it down to 4000M and there you go.

Aaron Z
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I am sure that they are going to go after the wreckage. It would be really interesting to see if the bow titanium bell still has the view port intact.
 
Tech Tim said:
That's because it was used a distraction.

If it wasn't, all we would've heard is that a sub imploded on the way to the Titanic and all hands lost.
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I keep hearing they knew what happened but didn't tell people.

I do feel they had a very good idea that the sub was lost.
they lost communication at 9:45
Navy heard what appeared to be an implosion at the same time.

until they have visual confirmation, it is in everyone bests interest to state we are trying to find the sub.
as soon as they had that confirmation, all info was released, and to the families first as it should have.

if a planes last transmission, is we are going down in the Amazon, you cannot say everyone died, until you can confirm that fact.
doesn't matter if it was dropping at mach 2 vertically.
 
Just came across this:

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CJF said:
Still doesn't matter. If someone died and they later found out the company was using monkeys to fold the parachutes (i.e., negligence), they're liable.
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Yes it does matter.
Your example makes it a patently obvious liability. âś…

For sake of argument and academics;
If everything is/was on the level, it reduces liability better than having nothing at all.
 
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