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[YotaAtieToo]

Well they're all pretty much brand new so ideally nothing



Came from these on 17" racelines, i really had no complaints, tougher than shit and i abused them HARD. wanted to try the sticky mickey craze, so far they do live up to the hype



That is a super interesting option i had not even considered, i will need to look at that more closely! that very well could be the solution right there, i always bring a cordless impact anyways to a quick swap left to right after unload is really not a big deal


Also for clarity, the rear is 94" or something of that nature so I'm only talking about rollers on the front. honest if i took the rear seat out (quick disconnect mounted) i could probably fit both in the back of the Ramcharger.

If not they can go in the kitchen im sure the wife would love it

If it's only the front, just get 1 semi tire and wheel (or whatever is cheapest in roughly the same height and skinny) and swap 1 front.

11r22.5 is around 42x11 and you could just have a flat plate cut with 8x6.5 and like 5x11.25. Or if you want to be real cheap, source a steel semi wheel and just weld part of an old 8 lug wheen inside it

Edit: I can also see how it's still appealing if the trips with both rigs are only a few times a year.

I wonder if some tiny rollers on the front ram charger like as small Dia as possible. Back it in, Then basically drive the sxs on the hood?

Obviously you could do it a little more refined with ramps or whatever, but you probably get the idea.

 

[ridered3]

If it's only the front, just get 1 semi tire and wheel (or whatever is cheapest in roughly the same height and skinny) and swap 1 front.

11r22.5 is around 42x11 and you could just have a flat plate cut with 8x6.5 and like 5x11.25. Or if you want to be real cheap, source a steel semi wheel and just weld part of an old 8 lug wheen inside it

Edit: I can also see how it's still appealing if the trips with both rigs are only a few times a year.

I wonder if some tiny rollers on the front ram charger like as small Dia as possible. Back it in, Then basically drive the sxs on the hood?

Obviously you could do it a little more refined with ramps or whatever, but you probably get the idea.

Just got full on hot rod roller tires with these guys

Amazon.com

 

[YotaAtieToo]

Just got full on hot rod roller tires with these guys

Amazon.com

Ya, that's kinda what I pictured for the stacking. Or just find some stock 8x6.5 wheels and get whatever low pro tires from the tire store dumpster.

You could even pain the wheels orange if you wanted

 

[ridered3]

Ya, that's kinda what I pictured for the stacking. Or just find some stock 8x6.5 wheels and get whatever low pro tires from the tire store dumpster.

You could even pain the wheels orange if you wanted

Gotta be all matchy matchy!

 

[75RamRunner]

Ya, that's kinda what I pictured for the stacking. Or just find some stock 8x6.5 wheels and get whatever low pro tires from the tire store dumpster.

You could even pain the wheels orange if you wanted

See this was the quality progression of recommendations I was expecting from the group, glad we all got here together


I'm really not worried about finding a way to narrow the front 1/2" for loading/unloading. The 3' of length i need to get rid of is where my headspace is at this time. A lot of variations of the above options are on the table.

I'm fairly certain with some redneck ingenuity of ramp/stacking I could drive the Ramcharger the rest of the way over the can-am.

Could also take the tailgate off and use the winch on the can-am to hoist the front end into the back of the Ramcharger. I've been thinking a lot about this one because i could basically secure the whole thing outside the trailer and then put the can-am in neutral and just drive/back the Ramcharger in.

Gotta be all matchy matchy!

Don't fucking tempt me, i always have a rattle can of hemi orange at the ready

 

[CarterKraft]

I like the confidence

Thinking about all this loading/unloading and my experience loading and unloading my 50" wide sxs in my toy hauler it sounds like a decent pain in the ass. Backing the ramcharger into the trailer under power is going to fill your trailer with gas fumes which really impress your wife.

 

[YotaAtieToo]

See this was the quality progression of recommendations I was expecting from the group, glad we all got here together


I'm really not worried about finding a way to narrow the front 1/2" for loading/unloading. The 3' of length i need to get rid of is where my headspace is at this time. A lot of variations of the above options are on the table.

I'm fairly certain with some redneck ingenuity of ramp/stacking I could drive the Ramcharger the rest of the way over the can-am.

Could also take the tailgate off and use the winch on the can-am to hoist the front end into the back of the Ramcharger. I've been thinking a lot about this one because i could basically secure the whole thing outside the trailer and then put the can-am in neutral and just drive/back the Ramcharger in.



Don't fucking tempt me, i always have a rattle can of hemi orange at the ready

Sounds like a great way to break your winch

 

[75RamRunner]

I like the confidence

Thinking about all this loading/unloading and my experience loading and unloading my 50" wide sxs in my toy hauler it sounds like a decent pain in the ass. Backing the ramcharger into the trailer under power is going to fill your trailer with gas fumes which really impress your wife.

Come on now, id at least leave the man door open. I'm not completely uncivilized!

I am slightly concerned about the side pipe exit exhaust on the interior walls of the trailer i bet the pipe exit wont be more than 6-8" off the wall on either side.....that sounds like a future me problem

Sounds like a great way to break your winch

I mean its a 5k winch and a 1600lbs SxS, it would really only be to get the tires high enough to grab the tube on the rear of the truck and then id drive it up into the back a bit. There's roughly 14" until the wheel wells from the tailgate.

Fuck you guys I'm just going to try that now to see if it can be done, at the least it'll be entertaining

 

[ridered3]

Come on now, id at least leave the man door open. I'm not completely uncivilized!

I am slightly concerned about the side pipe exit exhaust on the interior walls of the trailer i bet the pipe exit wont be more than 6-8" off the wall on either side.....that sounds like a future me problem



I mean its a 5k winch and a 1600lbs SxS, it would really only be to get the tires high enough to grab the tube on the rear of the truck and then id drive it up into the back a bit. There's roughly 14" until the wheel wells from the tailgate.

Fuck you guys I'm just going to try that now to see if it can be done, at the least it'll be entertaining

Rig probably wouldn't be running long enough inside of the trailer to have heat issues as long as you load/unload it as cold as possible. Could always have some "slip on" exhaust tips to make turn downs for loading/unloading.

Having loaded/unloaded into my enclosed with living quarters that does not have a separated wall, by the time the rig is unloaded and all "necessary" camping gear is in place, there are usually no exhaust/gear oil smells etc left inside. Wife has a super sensitive sniffer and hasn't complained about any smells.


As for finding three feet, A) just travel with the rear ramp door open like a porch with the Canned Ham on there or B) winch the Canned Ham up the back of the ramp door into a vertical position and secure it that way

 

[YotaAtieToo]

Come on now, id at least leave the man door open. I'm not completely uncivilized!

I am slightly concerned about the side pipe exit exhaust on the interior walls of the trailer i bet the pipe exit wont be more than 6-8" off the wall on either side.....that sounds like a future me problem



I mean its a 5k winch and a 1600lbs SxS, it would really only be to get the tires high enough to grab the tube on the rear of the truck and then id drive it up into the back a bit. There's roughly 14" until the wheel wells from the tailgate.

Fuck you guys I'm just going to try that now to see if it can be done, at the least it'll be entertaining

5k sxs winch means it's good for like 1200lbs

 

[CarterKraft]

5k sxs winch means it's good for like 1200lbs

And less if the battery is weak

 

[YotaAtieToo]

I have a 4500 and 6k sxs winch, plus a few buddies with 5k's all are shit. It's funny how a 6,000 lb winch can barely pull a 1500 lb side-by-side out yet and 8,000 lb winch can pull a 6,000 lb rig out no problem

 

[75RamRunner]

I have a 4500 and 6k sxs winch, plus a few buddies with 5k's all are shit. It's funny how a 6,000 lb winch can barely pull a 1500 lb side-by-side out yet and 8,000 lb winch can pull a 6,000 lb rig out no problem

So your saying I need to loop my 10k winch cable from the front of the truck over the top of the truck and back down to the bumper of the can-am and do some misengineered snatch block shenanigan's to get it up. Got it! Frankly that barely sounds like a 2-3 beer deep adventure. I could easily be talked into that sober.

 

[75RamRunner]

Rig probably wouldn't be running long enough inside of the trailer to have heat issues as long as you load/unload it as cold as possible. Could always have some "slip on" exhaust tips to make turn downs for loading/unloading.

Having loaded/unloaded into my enclosed with living quarters that does not have a separated wall, by the time the rig is unloaded and all "necessary" camping gear is in place, there are usually no exhaust/gear oil smells etc left inside. Wife has a super sensitive sniffer and hasn't complained about any smells.


As for finding three feet, A) just travel with the rear ramp door open like a porch with the Canned Ham on there or B) winch the Canned Ham up the back of the ramp door into a vertical position and secure it that way

I'm having visions of some sort of justified down force spoiler with the back door at a 60 degree angle secured to the front bumper of the truck inside it. Much daytona vibes going on.

 

[YotaAtieToo]

So your saying I need to loop my 10k winch cable from the front of the truck over the top of the truck and back down to the bumper of the can-am and do some misengineered snatch block shenanigan's to get it up. Got it! Frankly that barely sounds like a 2-3 beer deep adventure. I could easily be talked into that sober.

We actually did that along with some high lifts to get the front of my buddies broken rig on the flatbed of my other buddies rig

 

[ridered3]

I'm having visions of some sort of justified down force spoiler with the back door at a 60 degree angle secured to the front bumper of the truck inside it. Much daytona vibes going on.

Gotta help those MPG's or adding additional weight tot he setup to make sure it doesn't blow over or something like that...

 

[75RamRunner]

Well im headed to Austin and then New Orleans to check this thing out friday. Let yall know how it goes and if i start trecking back with her in tow.

Just got the new trans tunes on the ole aisan equipped dually so figure that's the perfect load to break her-in

 

[ridered3]

Well im headed to Austin and then New Orleans to check this thing out friday. Let yall know how it goes and if i start trecking back with her in tow.

Just got the new trans tunes on the ole aisan equipped dually so figure that's the perfect load to break her-in

 

[CarterKraft]

Well im headed to Austin and then New Orleans to check this thing out friday. Let yall know how it goes and if i start trecking back with her in tow.

Just got the new trans tunes on the ole aisan equipped dually so figure that's the perfect load to break her-in

 

[ridered3]

 

[75RamRunner]

Well ladies and retards the stars aligned. Kinda. The trailer is exactly as it was advertised, however it is apparent it sat neglected for 18 months. Electrical wasn't working, batteries deader than Kamala's soul, trailer lights didn't work, 40 gallons of bad gas in the tank, generator wasn't priming, etc.

This is just the truck on the way to see the trailer

Same scale on the way out with the fat bitch, Mind you this is empty empty, 30% of gas capacity, no water, nothing in the tanks, nothing in the trailer not even a spoon!

Left New Orleans around 2pm Friday, made it about 2 hours past Dallas and called it around 2am. Straight boogies at 85mph with the triples. I forgot how nice it was to knock miles down with trailers with triples.

Then somewhere in New Mexico....

Cracked the wheel, tire took out the hydraulic lines for the jack, and the bearings were less than awesome. So after a 4 hours delay we hit the road again. Decided to keep her under 85mph the rest of the way back

While there we raised the hitch (lowering it closer to the truck) and got the weight transfer better but it needs to lower one more time. Also took the trailer plug apart and it wasnt the prettiest, so we brake cleaned the piss out of it and retightened and lo and behold the lights came back to life in the right manner.

Ordered (6) 17.5 wheels and tires while in the shop, the trailer kept the 16s and while they were nicer ones, they were still underrated for 8k axles.

All in all what i expected, im dropping it off today at my buddies RV yard, lower the hitch to the last slot, try to get the gen to prime, and a full interior/exterior clean (they pretty much removed all the personals and that was it).


The axles are torsions setups, welded directly to 2x2 tube which is welded to the frame. Depending on how much the last set of holes gets me on the angle to truck and trailer i may need to entertain a bigger block between the trailer and axles. I know i know, dont tow with a truck on 37s i like it and its staying. i am going to reach out to carli about 0 lift rear springs. see if that's an option or not.

All and all pretty content, stay tuned for loading shenagagins later this week. At current im planning on a Sand Mountain trip Friday we will see.......

 

[CarterKraft]

Well ladies and retards the stars aligned. Kinda. The trailer is exactly as it was advertised, however it is apparent it sat neglected for 18 months. Electrical wasn't working, batteries deader than Kamala's soul, trailer lights didn't work, 40 gallons of bad gas in the tank, generator wasn't priming, etc.

Same scale on the way out with the fat bitch, Mind you this is empty empty, 30% of gas capacity, no water, nothing in the tanks, nothing in the trailer not even a spoon!

Cracked the wheel, tire took out the hydraulic lines for the jack, and the bearings were less than awesome. So after a 4 hours delay we hit the road again. Decided to keep her under 85mph the rest of the way back

While there we raised the hitch (lowering it closer to the truck) and got the weight transfer better but it needs to lower one more time. Also took the trailer plug apart and it wasnt the prettiest, so we brake cleaned the piss out of it and retightened and lo and behold the lights came back to life in the right manner.

Ordered (6) 17.5 wheels and tires while in the shop, the trailer kept the 16s and while they were nicer ones, they were still underrated for 8k axles.

All in all what i expected, im dropping it off today at my buddies RV yard, lower the hitch to the last slot, try to get the gen to prime, and a full interior/exterior clean (they pretty much removed all the personals and that was it).


The axles are torsions setups, welded directly to 2x2 tube which is welded to the frame. Depending on how much the last set of holes gets me on the angle to truck and trailer i may need to entertain a bigger block between the trailer and axles. I know i know, dont tow with a truck on 37s i like it and its staying. i am going to reach out to carli about 0 lift rear springs. see if that's an option or not.

All and all pretty content, stay tuned for loading shenagagins later this week. At current im planning on a Sand Mountain trip Friday we will see.......

Good to know my "scale" eye isn't busted you are going directly to bdl territory


Hope it all works out though, it looks good on the truck.

 

[Bebop]

I'm glad you got it.

But towing that thing at 85 is scary sounding.

 

[CarterKraft]

I'm glad you got it.

But towing that thing at 85 is scary sounding.

There seems to be a lot of tire/bearing failures at that speed.

 

[75RamRunner]

I'm glad you got it.

But towing that thing at 85 is scary sounding.

There seems to be a lot of tire/bearing failures at that speed.

It it worth noting its pretty flat and drama free from New Orleans to Arizona. The OTR trucks are doing 80-85 as well. Not that it makes it okay, just perspective i guess

It tows incredibly well, 5k of pin weight will do that too though.

EDIT: after reading that i get the vibe that y'all might think that is my planned norm. It is not. im perfectly content at 70-72 most trips and pulling hills at 65mph.

Good to know my "scale" eye isn't busted you are going directly to bdl territory


Hope it all works out though, it looks good on the truck.

Yeahhh..... this is the point of the conversation where me joking about how much of a fat pig the Ramcharger is becomes more of a real concern than a joke....

Good news is with just the can-am shes gonna be a-okay!

Rams website for a 2021 mega dually with 4.10s and the H.O is GVWR 14k, Payloud of 5,450, 6k front 9,750 rear and 33,200 towing or 43k combined.


So empty I'm all within spec , it'll be interesting to see how much load shifts with weight in the rear. And how much more tries to go onto the truck.

 

[YotaAtieToo]

If those are 14 plys we run them at work on triples with no issues loaded to 20k on trailer axles every day. Although we aren't doing 85

The 17.5s are cool, but kinda a pain also since they're not as common. If I were beyond the 4500lbs ea of 14 ply 16s, I'd just go to 19.5s.

The super heavy pin is good since all the cargo will be aft of the axles. Looks like you have a decent amount of capacity for it too.

 

[CarterKraft]

It it worth noting its pretty flat and drama free from New Orleans to Arizona. The OTR trucks are doing 80-85 as well. Not that it makes it okay, just perspective i guess

It tows incredibly well, 5k of pin weight will do that too though.




Yeahhh..... this is the point of the conversation where me joking about how much of a fat pig the Ramcharger is becomes more of a real concern than a joke....

Good news is with just the can-am shes gonna be a-okay!

Rams website for a 2021 mega dually with 4.10s and the H.O is GVWR 14k, Payloud of 5,450, 6k front 9,750 rear and 33,200 towing or 43k combined.


So empty I'm all within spec , it'll be interesting to see how much load shifts with weight in the rear. And how much more tries to go onto the truck.

I think you are comparing max tow config with what you actually have.
I won't say your truck isn't up to the task, however towing this heavy on 37's is pretty wild.
I was pretty surprised your truck is 10K+

 

[75RamRunner]

I was looking at the same one, you highlighted the 2wd the second table shows the 33k i was talking about.

And the axles weights. I am dumb. but i haven't had too many crayons this morning

Also on the 37s, they're well rated for it. on forged DDC wheels. Again, im dumb, but ive touched the fire or two to know its hot. Doesnt meant i dont get close every now and then

 

[CarterKraft]

I was looking at the same one, you highlighted the 2wd the second table shows the 33k i was talking about.

And the axles weights. I am dumb. but i haven't had too many crayons this morning

Also on the 37s, they're well rated for it. on forged DDC wheels. Again, im dumb, but ive touched the fire or two to know its hot. Doesnt meant i dont get close every now and then

I'm not trying to talk you out of it, just adding some caution, you are getting on the edge of every parameter.
When you get out there, it gets a little sketchy and it gets really easy to exceed "safe" zones.
And with my family in the back seat is not a good time for me to find out how bad my disillusion is.

With the torsion axles you are smart for trying to get it as flat as possible, the downs side of torsions is they can't load share as well as equalized springs.

 

[ridered3]

75RamRunner glad you got the Dune Sport picked up and relocated!