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I hadn't heard of the Elantra N so I read the C&D article on it. 4.8 0-60 isn't bad at all. Funny, C&D states the loud exhaust and pops as a pro, not a con. Joke's on whoever buys one and tries to drive in N mode on the streets, I guess.

Still gonna hate on CA thug government for this one. It's a shame that it's too late to save this state in our lifetimes.
 
Under that rule there shouldn't be a single Coyote Cumstang in the whole state.
 
CarterKraft said:
Under that rule there shouldn't be a single Coyote Cumstang in the whole state.
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Maybe they get a pass because it's a safety feature. Pedestrians hear the loud garblePOPwarbleBLAAAAAAAA and dive to the side. Car show something or other.
 
87manche said:
But why should it be a risk? I tried looking up the actual California code but all I got was covid how not to pay your rent because the governor said so shit.
Is there a reason that a simple lawsuit with known facts can't be done in less than 30 days?
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It's the prk
:flipoff2:REMEMBER :flipoff2:???
 
The kid that sold us our 2022 Elantra Hybrid in Twin Falls Idaho has the N Model. He is tech savy and explained that he agreed with his State police to just leave it in standard or economy mode and not to be a loud asshat. He's 24 yo and I am sure he will use mature good judgement :lmao:

I know you rail against cops and authority but at some point a fuzz is following the law and enforcing it. Hyundai will or has offered a fix to to make the sport mode compliant by now surely. It doesnt seem rationale that the testing bur oh crats let this slip through. Hyundai would have calibrated the imported vehicle s BEFORE they were imported. Dumb all around.

Autos did not used to have different modes to use and I dont think one can make a blanket statement like you did. I woiuld hope the enforcing agency uses whatever modes are available. All of them. Hyundai also cheated way back in 2012 with the Elantra and fuel EPA ratings. In that case I dont blame them, fuck the EPA or CARB for ASKING the mfg for the frontal area for their calcs. They should run the car and measure, not estimate using provided nuymbers.

VW used a "mode" for their diesel emissions test and you can see how well that worked out for them

I think the LEO overstepped his big mouth and opinion when he told the "the guy" he could never register his car again. That is not his call. Fuck him. His job is to enforce the law, not issue edicts and opinions or threaten people.
 
Thumping said:
You realize NOT collecting the rent but still paying the mortgage along with utilities can put the guy behind the 8 ball.
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No shit you're fucked if your business has massively negative cash flow.

The fact that it's the .gov causing your negative cash flow is but a footnote.

Why do small time landlords have this entitlement about them as if it can't happen to them or as if they don't have to move heaven and earth (or just ignore the expensive laws and risk it) to stop the bleeding.
 
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arse_sidewards said:
No shit you're fucked if your business has massively negative cash flow.

The fact that it's the .gov causing your negative cash flow is but a footnote.

Why do small time landlords have this entitlement about them as if it can't happen to them or as if they don't have to move heaven and earth (or just ignore the expensive laws and risk it) to stop the bleeding.
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Because people tell them how eeeeasay the rental thing is!!!! Which it definitely was,15-20 years ago, before the homeless and druggies empowerment kicked in!!!!!
 
arse_sidewards said:
Why do small time landlords have this entitlement about them as if it can't happen to them or as if they don't have to move heaven and earth (or just ignore the expensive laws and risk it) to stop the bleeding.
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Gregj50!!!!! said:
Because people tell them how eeeeasay the rental thing is!!!! Which it definitely was,15-20 years ago, before the homeless and druggies empowerment kicked in!!!!!
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We (millennials and gen X) saw our parents and our friends' parents do very well in real estate. Even the housing crisis was a minor blip in the real estate timeline in my lifetime, so it's not hard to [incorrectly] assume there's no risk.

I feel that we also see that in most small businesses. Last year a storm wrecked a bunch of restaurants around here, and they instantly looked to the gov to bail them out. When times are good, they're the same ones that are arguing that they should pay less in tax.
 
My wife's tenants are moving out of her condo by the end of October, great couple of college kids. Hopefully we dont get any stupid fucks next.
 
I’ve heard traveling nurses are also great, you can charge more than normal rent, but less than AirBnB, and without a short term rental permit because it’s longer than 30 days.
 
Splib said:
The kid that sold us our 2022 Elantra Hybrid in Twin Falls Idaho has the N Model. He is tech savy and explained that he agreed with his State police to just leave it in standard or economy mode and not to be a loud asshat. He's 24 yo and I am sure he will use mature good judgement :lmao:

I know you rail against cops and authority but at some point a fuzz is following the law and enforcing it. Hyundai will or has offered a fix to to make the sport mode compliant by now surely. It doesnt seem rationale that the testing bur oh crats let this slip through. Hyundai would have calibrated the imported vehicle s BEFORE they were imported. Dumb all around.

Autos did not used to have different modes to use and I dont think one can make a blanket statement like you did. I woiuld hope the enforcing agency uses whatever modes are available. All of them. Hyundai also cheated way back in 2012 with the Elantra and fuel EPA ratings. In that case I dont blame them, fuck the EPA or CARB for ASKING the mfg for the frontal area for their calcs. They should run the car and measure, not estimate using provided nuymbers.

VW used a "mode" for their diesel emissions test and you can see how well that worked out for them

I think the LEO overstepped his big mouth and opinion when he told the "the guy" he could never register his car again. That is not his call. Fuck him. His job is to enforce the law, not issue edicts and opinions or threaten people.
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California didn't do the test properly when they tested that guys car.
Hyundai isn't doing anything about it because the car is compliant if you do the test properly and in the cars default mode.
 
The reasons for laws, the vehicle code are many. So there are ones that govern noise, and it's to protect the public and diminish nuisance bullshit by dumb asses that shit their noise on everyone else. The test of that noise should be, and probably is, to test the noise device at it's maximum noise output. Not at idle, and not in quiet mode. Which is what the normal mode actually is. The vehicle has various engine speeds that affect noise output, and it has various computer settings that now have various noise outputs. All of these are in hand to the vehicle operator. So why would they test a car for emissions, or noise at it's best speed, or for noise at its best setting ? That does not make sense to me and anyone else. We have two Hyundai Elantras, and they both have selectable modes for economy or sport. I think your point is that for example, say mileage test, they should use normal mode instead of economy or sport. And so for noise they should use normal mode. I dont really know what mode they use in CA or Idaho. I note you said "California" tested and not the LEO. Was he a State employee or a local ?

To certify our Hyundai hybrid for its 56 mpg hwy rating, or emissions rating, do they test in economy or normal ? Are the values worse if they test in sport mode ?

If they test a new $26K Harley bike do they blip the throttle to make it backfire if that is what was possible ? Some of the high tech cars in this area, Lexus, Audi, even Mercedes and especially Ford Mustangs make REALLY loud noise on deceleration and are what we used to call carb backfire but these are chipped, injected and met noise when they were sold. These are modified cars and could easily be cited for repair and fine.
 
Splib said:
The reasons for laws, the vehicle code are many. So there are ones that govern noise, and it's to protect the public and diminish nuisance bullshit by dumb asses that shit their noise on everyone else. The test of that noise should be, and probably is, to test the noise device at it's maximum noise output. Not at idle, and not in quiet mode. Which is what the normal mode actually is. The vehicle has various engine speeds that affect noise output, and it has various computer settings that now have various noise outputs. All of these are in hand to the vehicle operator. So why would they test a car for emissions, or noise at it's best speed, or for noise at its best setting ? That does not make sense to me and anyone else. We have two Hyundai Elantras, and they both have selectable modes for economy or sport. I think your point is that for example, say mileage test, they should use normal mode instead of economy or sport. And so for noise they should use normal mode. I dont really know what mode they use in CA or Idaho. I note you said "California" tested and not the LEO. Was he a State employee or a local ?

To certify our Hyundai hybrid for its 56 mpg hwy rating, or emissions rating, do they test in economy or normal ? Are the values worse if they test in sport mode ?

If they test a new $26K Harley bike do they blip the throttle to make it backfire if that is what was possible ? Some of the high tech cars in this area, Lexus, Audi, even Mercedes and especially Ford Mustangs make REALLY loud noise on deceleration and are what we used to call carb backfire but these are chipped, injected and met noise when they were sold. These are modified cars and could easily be cited for repair and fine.
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Go read the news articles.
The sae test the government uses for compliance specifically states to test the car in its default mode.
By your reasoning race cars would be illegal because somebody might drive one on the street.

At the end of the day it's your responsibility to not be a jackass, and beggings for regulations to keep people from being jackasses is just.go8mg to fuck up fun for everyone.
 
87manche said:
Go read the news articles.
The sae test the government uses for compliance specifically states to test the car in its default mode.
By your reasoning race cars would be illegal because somebody might drive one on the street.

At the end of the day it's your responsibility to not be a jackass, and beggings for regulations to keep people from being jackasses is just.go8mg to fuck up fun for everyone.
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Huh ? Race cars are illegal to drive on the street if they are not compliant. I f they are compliant they can be licensed, insured and legal for street. No one is begging for regulations but you are projecting that. I am in favor of Noise asshole control.

I didn't know that The EPA, CARB or such used a SAE test method. You sure about that ? It would make sense but it's government agency so . . . . . ..
 
Splib said:
Huh ? Race cars are illegal to drive on the street if they are not compliant. I f they are compliant they can be licensed, insured and legal for street. No one is begging for regulations but you are projecting that. I am in favor of Noise asshole control.

I didn't know that The EPA, CARB or such used a SAE test method. You sure about that ? It would make sense but it's government agency so . . . . . ..
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The Elantra California case was news. Go read the news. Everything I've told you was reported directly in the news from the guy that got the ticket and his lawyers.
 
Absolutely want vehicles to be regulated. Manche is correct about SAE testing at EPA to some extent, at least. I spent 7 minutes and found the info but it would take more time/effort to search that shit "mode" or drive mode or default. Maybe . . .. And death to noise polluters :laughing: Lock them in a sound box and blast their own exhaust noise shit at them full throttle and quick step off so a 130 decibel backfire can blast their ears the rest of the way back into their fucked up head.

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Splib said:
Absolutely want vehicles to be regulated. Manche is correct about SAE testing at EPA to some extent, at least. I spent 7 minutes and found the info but it would take more time/effort to search that shit "mode" or drive mode or default. Maybe . . .. And death to noise polluters :laughing: Lock them in a sound box and blast their own exhaust noise shit at them full throttle and quick step off so a 130 decibel backfire can blast their ears the rest of the way back into their fucked up head.

Edit: Federal Register :: Request Access
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Some extent?

It would take you 5 fucking minutes to go look up sae j 1492 and see that it clearly states the test is to be conducted in a mode that doesn't persist through an ignition power cycle, ie the default mode.
N mode does not persist through a power cycle, thus California did the fucking test incorrectly so they could get the results they wanted so they could bureaucratically fuck a guy.

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Edit: and the EPA doesn't give two fucks about noise and they're not the ones that test that.
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My search was EPA site and SAE and then test mode that got nuthing. So. You carry this shit around in your head or do you work at EPA :lmao:

J1492_202110: Measurement of Light Vehicle Stationary Exhaust System Sound Level Engine Speed Sweep Method - SAE International

This SAE Recommended Practice establishes the test procedure, environment, and instrumentation to be used for measuring the exterior exhaust sound level for passenger cars, multipurpose vehicles, and light trucks under stationary conditions providing a continuous measure of exhaust system sound leve
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Measurement of Light Vehicle Stationary Exhaust System Sound Level Engine Speed Sweep Method J1492_202110​


This SAE Recommended Practice establishes the test procedure, environment, and instrumentation to be used for measuring the exterior exhaust sound level for passenger cars, multipurpose vehicles, and light trucks under stationary conditions providing a continuous measure of exhaust system sound level over a range of engine speeds.
This document applies only to road vehicles equipped with an internal combustion engine.
The method is designed to meet the requirements of simplicity as far as they are consistent with reproducibility of results under the operating conditions of the vehicle.
It is within the scope of this document to measure the stationary A-weighted sound pressure level during:
  • Measurements at the manufacturing stage
  • Measurements at official testing stations
  • Measurements at roadside testing
It does neither specify a method to check the exhaust sound pressure level when the engine is operated at realistic load nor a method to check the exhaust sound pressure levels against a general noise limit for categories of road vehicles. It provides the means for detecting exhaust system resonances with the potential to affect both exterior and interior sound quality.
SAE J2805 provides methods to assess vehicle noise emission consistent with in-use vehicle noise emissions at realistic vehicle loads and speeds.
This document incorporates certain provisions of ISO 5130:2019 for measuring the sound level of exhaust systems (see Appendix A).

Where did you find it specifically stated that there is a default mode ? The above is a summary not the full text of the method. Maybe it's a link away. Or not.
 
I got the tism. I read things and they are in there for a long fucking time.

It's why I works the interwebs real well.
 
Seems like standard California bureaucratic idiocy. The laws are actually somewhat reasonable. Yes left leaning, but not too bad. The problem is the interpretation and implementation of the laws.
 
arse_sidewards said:
They didn't ruin it.

Bureaucrats enabled by a general public who's been indoctrinated by leftists ruined it.

The douchnozzles are just the ones who gave them the opportunity.
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What
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Phawk
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Same end result ?right?
We do need a reset button activation :lmao:
 
Clb said:
What
Thee
Phawk
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Same end result ?right?
We do need a reset button activation :lmao:
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Same end result sure but you can't just blame the douches and ignore the existence of the bureaucratic state that's always waiting to pounce.

If it was just about the douches all that would be banned would be rolling coal.
 
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