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The mormon stuff thread

I can acknowledge the mistakes of Christianity... as well as my own personal mistakes.

And if I am wrong, that's my fate as well... I'm just looking at truth. Nobody is going to force you on anything, I was just offering a different perspective, no need to be disgruntled over it.:beer:

And the fact of the matter is, you did come here and voice an opinion on the matter... same as me. I'm not telling anyone to follow me, nor my path either. Just making it known what I believe. Again, same as you. Talking about my beliefs. People are free to decide for themselves.
No, but you are mighty convinced others are liars intent on deception looking to lead astray the flock :flipoff2:
 
No, but you are mighty convinced others are liars intent on deception looking to lead astray the flock :flipoff2:
No... I am saying there are MAJOR doctrinal differences in the Bible and what Mormons are saying (the very religion they claim to base on the bible). That's all, ya smart ass.

I would say the same of Jim Jones, David Koresh or any other false prophet... Like Joeseph Smith.


So, there. :flipoff2:
 
No... I am saying there are MAJOR doctrinal differences in the Bible and what Mormons are saying (the very religion they claim to base on the bible). That's all, ya smart ass.

I would say the same of Jim Jones, David Koresh or any other false prophet... Like Joeseph Smith.


So, there. :flipoff2:
Jim Jones brought peace and awareness to hundreds :confused:
 
I can acknowledge the mistakes of Christianity... as well as my own personal mistakes.

And if I am wrong, that's my fate as well... I'm just looking at truth. Nobody is going to force you on anything, I was just offering a different perspective, no need to be disgruntled over it.:beer:

And the fact of the matter is, you did come here and voice an opinion on the matter... same as me. I'm not telling anyone to follow me, nor my path either. Just making it known what I believe. Again, same as you. Talking about my beliefs. People are free to decide for themselves.
I'm not disgruntled. For whatever reason, whenever I post or txt someone, I come off as angry all the time. Not my intention. And yes, I am just expressing my opinion, same as you, and I think it's fine to disagree. But I do have to admit some of the ironies of christianity is hilarious to me. Probably as much as some find some of the stories of my religion.

Of course, if you do get to Hel and it's frozen and not hot, you were warned. :flipoff2:
 
I'm not disgruntled. For whatever reason, whenever I post or txt someone, I come off as angry all the time. Not my intention. And yes, I am just expressing my opinion, same as you, and I think it's fine to disagree. But I do have to admit some of the ironies of christianity is hilarious to me. Probably as much as some find some of the stories of my religion.

Of course, if you do get to Hel and it's frozen and not hot, you were warned. :flipoff2:
:laughing:

It's okay man... apparently when I type I sound egotistical and whatnot.

Also, Minnesota in January is the coldest hell I have been to thus far. :beer:
 
No... I am saying there are MAJOR doctrinal differences in the Bible and what Mormons are saying (the very religion they claim to base on the bible). That's all, ya smart ass.

I would say the same of Jim Jones, David Koresh or any other false prophet... Like Joeseph Smith.


So, there. :flipoff2:
Wow

I have never seen someone slide from arrogance to humility to arrogance so fast in my life... are you sure you aren't christian clergy?

Every time you wanna spew your position, maybe you should go back and read this post which seemed to help you the last time:


I had hoped to be able to ignore you in this board, so I could say you won't have to hear from me again, but for some reason I cannot set you to ignore. In 20+ years of these boards thru Spawny, chuckie, camo and the trannies, and the mouthbreathers that have spewed hatred and vitriol, you are the one and only person I would put on perm ignore.

It saddens me because I thought I would never get to the point where I would let someone cause me to limit my freedoms because I don't want to put up with theirs.

But that is the freedom of speech you have as one of your rights I will not abridge even though it offends me to the point I will risk loss for myself rather than harm you.

I truly doubt you care, and that is one of the reasons I challenge your 'christianity'.


You are the vilest of vile. One so convinced of his own perfection that he can't be reached.

Enjoy your dance, Nero.
 
Wow

I have never seen someone slide from arrogance to humility to arrogance so fast in my life... are you sure you aren't christian clergy?

Every time you wanna spew your position, maybe you should go back and read this post which seemed to help you the last time:


I had hoped to be able to ignore you in this board, so I could say you won't have to hear from me again, but for some reason I cannot set you to ignore. In 20+ years of these boards thru Spawny, chuckie, camo and the trannies, and the mouthbreathers that have spewed hatred and vitriol, you are the one and only person I would put on perm ignore.

It saddens me because I thought I would never get to the point where I would let someone cause me to limit my freedoms because I don't want to put up with theirs.

But that is the freedom of speech you have as one of your rights I will not abridge even though it offends me to the point I will risk loss for myself rather than harm you.

I truly doubt you care, and that is one of the reasons I challenge your 'christianity'.


You are the vilest of vile. One so convinced of his own perfection that he can't be reached.

Enjoy your dance, Nero.
A. Ther's a "Karen" thread for you to look at...

B. I'm pretty easy to ignore, if you see something I post here (or anywhere on the internet) all you have to do is not look at it. And BAM! You have ignored me. :beer: Congrats bro!

I'm not really sure why your so pissed about any of this to be honest... I didn't attack you in any way. I don't think I was going out of my way to make you all, dare I say, IRATE.

Maybe crack a beer and think on it? :beer:
 
Also... I'm pretty sure mods can't be put on ignore... but I will let your report stand "as is" and let Austin handle it.

Have blessed day bro~
 
Well I can appreciate that... and it isn't intentional.

I was being a bit sarcastic above in response to his tone... had he approached me how you did, I probably would have reacted different I suppose. We're all human man.
It’s all good. I was raised kind of Mormon-adjacent as much of my family are committed members of the church but I sort of missed out on most of it. I feel I have a pretty good perspective on the religion without ever having been devout but also feeling a sense of protectiveness over the people who do believe in it. I actually have a ton of respect for your beliefs and, in a way, a bit of envy of your certainty. I’ve worked on it a lot but I still tend to lean more towards “I don’t know”, but that’s just how my mind works. Have a great day man.
 
You are all wrong, there is only one true religion.



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I was raised Mormon. One thing I remember church leaders and teachers saying pretty regularly is that there are more than one true religion. ANY religion that gets people closer to God than they would have been otherwise has at least some degree of truth. Mormons do not believe that only Mormons can go to heaven. They would of course add that Mormonism is the most true and gets people the closest.
 
I was raised Mormon. One thing I remember church leaders and teachers saying pretty regularly is that there are more than one true religion. ANY religion that gets people closer to God than they would have been otherwise has at least some degree of truth. Mormons do not believe that only Mormons can go to heaven. They would of course add that Mormonism is the most true and gets people the closest.
In every religion there lies a single thread of golden truth.
 
The issue I have is it's complete mockery of biblical text in order to satisfy a need of individuals to become their own God. It's a complete farce and a lie.

But hey, that's been the original sin since the fall of man.
Have you looked into just how much the Catholic church in the very beginning fought to eliminate any version of Christianity that didn’t agree with their version? After all we have the 4 gospels because of the 4 corners of the world held up by pillars. That’s flat earth logic:stirthepot:
 
They pay for it themselves is my understanding. :laughing:
Correct, each area has a set price per month (ie: last I heard it was $1200ish if you were from the US, $300 from South America, etc), that all goes into a big pot and gets assigned to each mission according to what it costs to live there.

Still waiting on aczlan to answer some Q's I had above... until then here's some historical tidbits. Happy reading!

<ashke>Sorry to disappoint you Sir, it won't happen again Sir</ashke>
I had things much higher on my todo list while the sun was shining than arguing about religion with my imaginary internet friends.

Today I was playing Add and taking down the pool so I can put another up (high on the wife's to-do list, I was also working on a gravely walk behind tractor (getting rid of "intresting" repairs made by the PO), grilling some steaks and hanging out with my kids and some family who were over for a visit.
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Beyond that, I am happy to discuss religion with people of other faiths and beliefs who have questions and/or want to have a honest discussion but you obviously already know the answers to what you are asking and all you seem to want to do is argue about why members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints are all horrible nasty people who are going straight to Hell and "score points" somehow.

Your wording and slang remind me a lot of the "protesters" who used to come out in July for the Hill Cumorah Pageant (and who still go to protest at the General Conference twice a year in Salt Lake). They seemed to get their rocks off yelling at little kids about how they and their parents were all going to hell (literally pointing at a 5 year old and yelling about how they and their whole family were going to go to hell).

Same slang, pushing same "issues", same lack of interest in talking about what they felt was the church that would best lead one back to God, or who (besides the local Baptist Church that put them up) was paying them to be there for weeks on end.
Same "fruits" of hatred, bickering and unhappiness.
I dont know if that is how you intended it, but that is how it comes across.

Either way, we could quote scripture that we interpret as supporting our cause until we are blue in the face and its not going to change what you or I believe.

Ultimately one has to test the promise of Moroni or James and pray sincerely asking to know if the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith, the Bible, etc are true and you are promised an answer.

From Moroni 10:4-6
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/moro/10?lang=eng&id=4-6#p4 said:
4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
6 And whatsoever thing is good is just and true; wherefore, nothing that is good denieth the Christ, but acknowledgeth that he is.

From James 1:5
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/nt/james/1?lang=eng&id=5#p5= said:
5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.


I was raised Mormon. One thing I remember church leaders and teachers saying pretty regularly is that there are more than one true religion. ANY religion that gets people closer to God than they would have been otherwise has at least some degree of truth. Mormons do not believe that only Mormons can go to heaven. They would of course add that Mormonism is the most true and gets people the closest.
Cant disagree with that, I can find points of commonality with most any religion which encourages people to better themselves and become closer to God.
When Grandma was still around, we would take her to Mass every time we visited that she was up to it. IMO it was good for the kids to see something different, it raised a bunch of questions for them and Grandma enjoyed showing off her Great-Grandkids to her friends there.

Ultimately, I believe that God isn't going to put you in "Heaven" someplace for eternity where you are uncomfortable.
If you don't want to be in an angelic choir singing and playing a harp, but would rather be fixing golden chariots or something else, he will have you do that, the work to be done won't end just because we are dead.
I believe that any of the 3 "Kingdoms of Glory" will be many times better than what we have here on this earth now, but each one is better as you get closer to God.

Aaron Z
 
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You are claiming you know better. Should you be drowned?

Point is I would want to know if I am wrong. I absolutely want the truth.

If you were wrong would you want to know?
His point can be seen inside the different layers of Christianity. Growing up Catholic I constantly would catch snippets about the evangelical crowd.

Nobody can say for sure what’s out there until the end, and I dont think any of us are in a hurry to figure it out.
 
I would say I have freedom in Christ. I'm not a slave to sin now... that's all.
Though your religion is a slave religion, specifically developed to keep the serfs and slaves in their place. Also modified in it's current form to keep the slaves serfs down and not questioning their lot in life because they're getting a way better deal when they're dead.


Applies for all forms of Christianity. :flipoff2:
 
I would say that the plagues being referred to are primarily those that are described in Revelation 8-9; as well as in Revelation 16; although there are also references to adverse events such as conquest, war, famine, and death in Revelation 6. They will succumb to the wrath of God for their beliefs.
That did not answer the question. The Bible is true. It says there will be plagues. What plagues are the Mormons suffering from? It says what there will be, but what is happening?
 
The OG temple is not too far from me


Kirtland was also the site of an allegedly church related mass murder in 1989

For the record, Lundgren was not what everyone thinks of as a classic mormon, from the Utah based church. He was part of an off shoot of an off shoot, similar to calling a Methodist a Catholic. That off shoot church does currently own, and give tours of the Temple in Kirtland, Ohio.
 
Pepsi as in stock options... They have a pretty good investment in it.

It is estimated that the Mormon church has assets worth around $100 billion. Some of the companies they are believed to have shares in include Apple, Google, Amazon, and Facebook...

Jet Blue is Mormon owned as are:
Marriot
Black and Decker
Huntsman
SkyWest

a few more notable ones.

And there's nothing wrong with Mormons drinking Pepsi or Coke... I just see the humor in not allowing Caffeine early on and clarifying that it was all good after they publicly bought large shares in Pepsi Co.
Jet Blue, Marriott, Huntsman, Skywest, etc. Were all started by members of the Church. They are not owned by the church. Just to dispel something, have you ever been to a Marriott hotel, and gone to their bar? They have one, and members of the church are still not allowed to imbibe.
Additionally, there are many members of the church that have always thought that it was against the Word Of Wisdom to not drink caffeine. They thought it was church doctrine. There were even many in local leadership. It was never doctrine, and caffeinated drinks are sold at BYU, and have been for a while.
 
I s it true that Mormon leaders at the various local levels are volunteers and don't get paid to do it and at the high levels there is a set salary, and it's because they left their careers? So there are no Jim and Tammy Fay Bakers(sp)?
Yes. Local leaders are unpaid. Bishops preside over a local congregation and are unpaid. Mine is an attorney with a very successful law practice. The guy before him was a dermatologist. The guy before him was a computer guy. A stake president presides over multiple congregations. The one that is over the are I am in is a managing partner at an international law firm. Before him it was a guy that was a Financial Planner.

At the higher levels, many of them are supported by the church. Some of them are independently wealthy. At least one is a billionaire, many are multimillionaires. Some were University professors and presidents. Others were contractors. They do receive a stipend because they have left their profession. Everyone gets the same amount, and it is about $10,000 a month, plus expenses for travel, etc.
 
is it true that the church is one of the largest landowners in the country?

are they following bill gates' model of offsetting carbon credits?
 
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