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The mormon stuff thread

I have a curiosity about the missionaries. I often wonder if doing it is a requirement of the church to be completed by (age?) or something else. Also what does it require? I've noticed a rather large group locally both boys and girls look to be under 25YO advertising all over offering to do any kind of hard labor you may need done all for nothing but the chance to chat about the church while they work. Sometimes they offer a lunch or a couple dozen cookies as well.
 
Lawless said:
I have a curiosity about the missionaries. I often wonder if doing it is a requirement of the church to be completed by (age?) or something else. Also what does it require? I've noticed a rather large group locally both boys and girls look to be under 25YO advertising all over offering to do any kind of hard labor you may need done all for nothing but the chance to chat about the church while they work. Sometimes they offer a lunch or a couple dozen cookies as well.
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You've gotta feed them lunch if you put them to work.
 
I have never knowingly met a mormon.
I have not studied Mormonism and the extent of my knowledge on mormonism has been gleaned mostly from South Park and threads like this.

I'll spare my thoughts on their religion because
A:) they didn't ask for it
B:) it's not pertinent as of right now.

Do Mormons believe anything that would make them a dick to other people?
Not "oh no, I got a knock on my door Saturday morning, my life is ruined, I'm so angry" kind of dick behavior...
But like, nonbelievers deserved to be killed, death to the infidel, jihad, jihad, jihad kind of dick behavior.
 
Paragon said:
is it true that the church is one of the largest landowners in the country?
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Could be, they own a bunch of farms and ranches (including one of the biggest ranches in Florida) because they grow their own beef, grain, vegetables and many other things that they pack and distribute to those in need through the regional Bishops Storehouses. They also own the ground for the meetinghouses for each congregation (14,676 in the US) and there are 1-3 congregations per meeting house.

Paragon said:
are they following bill gates' model of offsetting carbon credits?
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Not that I have seen advertised, more vertical integration for the food that they distribute to those in need (and likely some as investments).

Aaron Z
 
Missionary service iv voluntary. That said, young Men are expected to serve, if they meet worthiness standards, such as morally clean, pay a tithe, believe the church is true, etc. Young women have the option to serve. Young men can serve missions when they are 18 and have graduated high school. That changed 9 years ago. Previously, the age was 19. They serve for two years. Young women can serve at 19. It used to be 21.
They can have contact with their families via Skype or phone calls. Before that change, they could only make contact via email. I went on a mission 40+ years ago to France. Back then, we were only allowed to write letters. The object was not to keep kids from communicating with their families. We were living on a very tight budget. The cost for me to call home could be over $100 for a half hour. Some families could afford it, some could not. It was more fair if none could do it. Now that internet service is ubiquitous, and basically free, it makes sense to allow them to call home
I saw earlier someone asked about who paid missionaries, They pay their own way, if they can afford it. In the US families currently pay $500 a month for a missiobnary, because it is equalized across all the missions. Some missions the cost is way lower, because of the standard of living, and some it is way higher. They started equalizing costs about 30 years ago. I am not sure of the exact date. When I went on a mission in France, it cost around $400 +/-, and I had to manage all of my expenses on that $400.
As for the work, yes, they volunteer to help people. It serves a couple of purposes. First, it breaks up the drudgery of knocking on doors. A lot of areas are doing away with that practice, because it is just not very effective. The main reason is because it allows the, to meet people, in their own environment, and on their level. It helps build trust, so that they might get the chance to teach someone about Jesus and the church.
 
MuntCuffin said:
I have never knowingly met a mormon.
I have not studied Mormonism and the extent of my knowledge on mormonism has been gleaned mostly from South Park and threads like this.

I'll spare my thoughts on their religion because
A:) they didn't ask for it
B:) it's not pertinent as of right now.

Do Mormons believe anything that would make them a dick to other people?
Not "oh no, I got a knock on my door Saturday morning, my life is ruined, I'm so angry" kind of dick behavior...
But like, nonbelievers deserved to be killed, death to the infidel, jihad, jihad, jihad kind of dick behavior.
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No. In fact, people tend to like Mormon neighbors. Usually willing to help, because that is what we are taught. Temd to have large families, and are super family oriented. They are also one of the highest educated Christian religions, with a large percentage having advanced degrees.
That being said, in every group there are people that are asses. I know many that if I am talking with them, I put ky hand on my wallet, but for the most part, they are usually honest and fair. If someone feels a Mormon is not being nice to them, because of religion or beliefs, they are not living their religion.
 
Az Scooter said:
Missionary service iv voluntary. That said, young Men are expected to serve, if they meet worthiness standards, such as morally clean, pay a tithe, believe the church is true, etc. Young women have the option to serve. Young men can serve missions when they are 18 and have graduated high school. That changed 9 years ago. Previously, the age was 19. They serve for two years. Young women can serve at 19. It used to be 21.
They can have contact with their families via Skype or phone calls. Before that change, they could only make contact via email. I went on a mission 40+ years ago to France. Back then, we were only allowed to write letters. The object was not to keep kids from communicating with their families. We were living on a very tight budget. The cost for me to call home could be over $100 for a half hour. Some families could afford it, some could not. It was more fair if none could do it. Now that internet service is ubiquitous, and basically free, it makes sense to allow them to call home
I saw earlier someone asked about who paid missionaries, They pay their own way, if they can afford it. In the US families currently pay $500 a month for a missiobnary, because it is equalized across all the missions. Some missions the cost is way lower, because of the standard of living, and some it is way higher. They started equalizing costs about 30 years ago. I am not sure of the exact date. When I went on a mission in France, it cost around $400 +/-, and I had to manage all of my expenses on that $400.
As for the work, yes, they volunteer to help people. It serves a couple of purposes. First, it breaks up the drudgery of knocking on doors. A lot of areas are doing away with that practice, because it is just not very effective. The main reason is because it allows the, to meet people, in their own environment, and on their level. It helps build trust, so that they might get the chance to teach someone about Jesus and the church.
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Thanks for taking time to reply, I kinda thought it was along those lines and now I know the real deal.
 
Lawless said:
I have a curiosity about the missionaries. I often wonder if doing it is a requirement of the church to be completed by (age?) or something else. Also what does it require?
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It is strongly recommended for Young Men (18-25ish) and available for Young Women (19+) if they want to.
It also used to be a stigma if you didn't go (Dad didn't as he converted as a young adult and met Mom when he was thinking about going and got married instead and he regretted it), but thankfully that stigma is going away.
Lawless said:
I've noticed a rather large group locally both boys and girls look to be under 25YO advertising all over offering to do any kind of hard labor you may need done all for nothing but the chance to chat about the church while they work. Sometimes they offer a lunch or a couple dozen cookies as well.
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Many missionaries are supposed to do service each week, our local ones are supposed to do about 4 hours a week in the summer (usually more in the winter) to get to know people in the area, change things up a little from knocking doors and help people out who wouldn't otherwise want to talk and l;et them get to know them before sharing their message.
In some areas (especially overseas) they also teach English classes.
There are also service missionaries who specifically go out to perform service rather than proselyte, in many cases they have something that would make a 18-24 month proselyting mission not be feasible, but they are able to do a shorter service mission.

There are also groups for Young Single Adults (members 18-30 and unmarried) and some of them organize to do service projects similar to that in groups, few things help a group of people mesh together like doing service project together


Aaron Z
 
Az Scooter said:
That did not answer the question. The Bible is true. It says there will be plagues. What plagues are the Mormons suffering from? It says what there will be, but what is happening?
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Well... it's referring to the end times in the book of Revelation. I was using my deductive reasoning skills to apply the plagues at that time. If there's a different way of looking at it, I am all ears.
 
Paragon said:
I'm pretty sure you shouldn't opine when you don't understand the subject matter
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Well help of a brother out and explain it then... I was making a joke, apparently I didn't read the room right. :laughing:
 
surpip said:
Not nearly as much as you, Thank Christ. By the way where is the? In the quote of yours that I posted?
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I realize context is apparenty a foreign language to smooth-brained dumbfucks like you, but see if you can figure it out sport. You came at me, for something you apparently don't understand because you had another member's member in your dumb fucking mouth
 
Paragon said:
I realize context is apparenty a foreign language to smooth-brained dumbfucks like you, but see if you can figure it out sport. You came at me, for something you apparently don't understand because you had another member's member in your dumb fucking mouth
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I “came at you“ because you post idiot fuck shit all the time, and then you somehow think you have the basis to tell other people not to? OK Gary.
 
surpip said:
I “came at you“ because you post idiot fuck shit all the time, and then you somehow think you have the basis to tell other people not to? OK Gary.
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I post "idiot fuck shit all the time"

Ok, sport. lick the taint, while hanging from my balls, fucking crybaby
 
Roc Doc said:
How does the church feel about black people?
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Lets see, my cousin is married to a black guy, and he is one of the finest people I know, he has also had multiple leadership positions in the church. One of the fastest growing areas of the church is Africa, and I am pretty sure it isn’t because of the tithes they bring in, si ce it costs more to be there than is broight in. So my guess, we are cool with them.
 
flecker said:
Well... it's referring to the end times in the book of Revelation. I was using my deductive reasoning skills to apply the plagues at that time. If there's a different way of looking at it, I am all ears.
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So answer me this, have you ever read a book to help you understand the bible? Or since the book of revelations is just a part of the bible, a book to understand it? Because if you did, you might be a hypocrite.
 
flecker said:
Just my experience... It's a cult devout to a misguided prophet of Joeseph Smith. All desires lead towards being a God of their own universe and sexual impurities are a major driver.

Let's talk about how the visions came to him, and Moroni. Jesus's brother, the reemergence of polygamy, the vast corruption of the modern day Mormon doctrine... it's a long list homie. Sure ya want to go there?

In fact, let's start with the Pearl of great price. Or Kolob...
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polygamy isn't nearly such a large part of the story as everyone makes it out to be. Mormons were persecuted and killed by fellow Americans and a lot of women were widowed. Polygamy stemmed from other men taking in the widows of the fallen. It wasn't about an orgy.
 
I'll tell you one thing, when you do work on their churches (temples?) they spend a ton of money to make really beautiful architecture. Curved and vaulted ceilings, custom woodwork, amazing windows and fountains. So many churches are built in strip malls and look like office buildings these days.

They also pay on time with no trouble. Which is nice.
 
flexy flatty said:
He’s being aggressive about it but he’s not wrong. You seem like a nice guy in every other aspect but threads on religion seem to trigger the ideologue in you. It’s ok to believe you know the truth but to me condescending about it is odd. Your tone comes off as gleeful when you’re trying to disprove other people’s religion
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flecker said:
Well I can appreciate that... and it isn't intentional.

I was being a bit sarcastic above in response to his tone... had he approached me how you did, I probably would have reacted different I suppose. We're all human man.
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I just skipped a bunch of this silly thread, but...

Agree with the above. My takeaway from this thread was "Huh, Flecker's usually a nice guy. What happened?"

I guess we've all got our hot buttons.
 
Az Scooter said:
Lets see, my cousin is married to a black guy, and he is one of the finest people I know, he has also had multiple leadership positions in the church. One of the fastest growing areas of the church is Africa, and I am pretty sure it isn’t because of the tithes they bring in, si ce it costs more to be there than is broight in. So my guess, we are cool with them.
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Well I guess in 1978 they wanted a better basketball team at BYU, but the previous 126 years was a no-go for clergy positions and some rituals/rites (I know nothing about said rituals).

During the first two decades of the Church’s existence, a few black men were ordained to the priesthood. One of these men, Elijah Abel, also participated in temple ceremonies in Kirtland, Ohio, and was later baptized as proxy for deceased relatives in Nauvoo, Illinois. There is no reliable evidence that any black men were denied the priesthood during Joseph Smith’s lifetime. In a private Church council three years after Joseph Smith’s death, Brigham Young praised Q. Walker Lewis, a black man who had been ordained to the priesthood, saying, “We have one of the best Elders, an African.”4
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In 1852, President Brigham Young publicly announced that men of black African descent could no longer be ordained to the priesthood, though thereafter blacks continued to join the Church through baptism and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost. Following the death of Brigham Young, subsequent Church presidents restricted blacks from receiving the temple endowment or being married in the temple. Over time, Church leaders and members advanced many theories to explain the priesthood and temple restrictions. None of these explanations is accepted today as the official doctrine of the Church.
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Well it seems pulling shit out of your ass with no facts is nothing new. :laughing:


In 1850, the U.S. Congress created Utah Territory, and the U.S. president appointed Brigham Young to the position of territorial governor. Southerners who had converted to the Church and migrated to Utah with their slaves raised the question of slavery’s legal status in the territory. In two speeches delivered before the Utah territorial legislature in January and February 1852, Brigham Young announced a policy restricting men of black African descent from priesthood ordination. At the same time, President Young said that at some future day, black Church members would “have [all] the privilege and more” enjoyed by other members.9

The justifications for this restriction echoed the widespread ideas about racial inferiority that had been used to argue for the legalization of black “servitude” in the Territory of Utah.10 According to one view, which had been promulgated in the United States from at least the 1730s, blacks descended from the same lineage as the biblical Cain, who slew his brother Abel.11 Those who accepted this view believed that God’s “curse” on Cain was the mark of a dark skin. Black servitude was sometimes viewed as a second curse placed upon Noah’s grandson Canaan as a result of Ham’s indiscretion toward his father.12 Although slavery was not a significant factor in Utah’s economy and was soon abolished, the restriction on priesthood ordinations remained.
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The only religion that chaps my ass is the muslims. Everyone else is all about worshipping one God and want to just do their thing and live their lives. Those fucking muslims though....death to all infidels, death to the non-believers, death to my own people, death to that guy across the street. Oh wait is that a goat, I must fuck it in Allahs name. Motherfuckers can't do a goddamned thing with out shouting aloha snacker a million fucking times. I don't care for them one bit.
 
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