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And for you hair splitters out there, yes I know India has multiple Gods and Jaanism and the Japanese worship spirits but they do it fucking quietly without needing to kill everyone.
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The mormon stuff thread
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Roc Doc
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I personally think the LDS theology is whack, but for the most part the members of the flock are harmless, (save some FLDS pedos like Warren Jeffs, which of course is not restricted to FLDS or LDS). I remember when that tornado went through SLC, no FEMA, no Nat Guard, "We got this.", and they did.
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Remember the Heavens Gate loonies that cut their balls off and took poison to get to the mothership? Didn't hurt no one else, only cut their balls off and drank the kool-aid and checked out. Didn't bother anybody aside from the poor bastards that had to pick their carcasses up and dispose. Those fuckin' muslims though.....
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ugh, that guy again?
well, nobody HAD to clean up their corpses...
just they wanted the money from selling the house so the did anyways
IGT
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Really??
Same thing happened to the Baptist, Methodist, and Catholic during WWII too huh?
That might be the most lame ass excuse for polygamy I've heard
Horny powerful men would be a logical reason.
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Finally in this thread, mention of a true religion.
clodhopper
Get off my lawn, punk!
Muslims allowed multiple wives (in the past, not as much today) for the same reason. Too many men lost to war with.... well just about anyone who wasnt Muslim. In an age prior to EBT cards and single mom tax advantages, it was a means of social support for widows so they wouldnt starve on the street. As I understand it, the arrangement was more of a business agreement than an orgy.
Now as to why it might still occur in the current day and age, horny old men would be the likely reason.
aczlan
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Note that it started while getting ready to cross the plains in wagons and handcarts after getting driven across MO, Ill and OH and ended in 1890, 24 years before WWI started. Very different times.
It will make a believer out of you if it catches you wrong :D
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I think Brigham Young fled West to Salt Lake to take as many wives as he wished and to avoid prosecution... From my understanding of history
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Or maybe there was an extermination order in multiple states on Mormons, and their leader and his brother had just been arrested and killed by a lynch mob while in custody that they voluntarily turned themselves in for. That would tend to make a large group gun shy, and you never answered my question. Or are you the only one allowed to ask them?
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What do the kids say these days....IYKYK...
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Actually, no I haven't.
It's pretty self explanatory. I have listened to different people talk on it. One in particular is Vernon Mcgee. Beyond that? No books or other writings... just the bible. Doesn't mean I haven't heard other perspectives though.
Hope that answers your question, sorry I missed it initially.
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Pretty sure only Missouri had an extermination order on Mormons as "enemies of the state". Governor Boggs enacted after a major scrimmage where the state militia fought with the Mormons at Crooked river, after the Mormons in the area declared war.
Unless there's another I don't know about?
Ol Brigham...
He liked his 15 and 16 year old brides... had a total of 56 wives (the recorded ones, not the ones we don't know of), First cousins, single, widowed, divorced, some of Joeseph Smith's hand me downs, mother/ daughter combos, etc.... he was pretty non discriminant. Of course that total doesn't include the "disputed wives".
Since we are on the subject of being hunted, we could always talk about the Mountain Meadows massacre... or the Arkansas wagon train slaughter. That's the one that then President Buchanan removed Young from the position of Territorial Governor of Utah. Or any other number of violent acts perpetrated by the early Mormon culture.
It's one of those things most Mormons I know don't like to speak on. So maybe spare me the woe and "poor ol Mormons" song and dance. They were hardly "gun shy".
Tiha
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Are you saying you read the book of Mormon to understand the bible?
because there are many books that explain the bible without contradicting it, where as the book of Mormon totally contradicts the bible.
Squamch
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Apart from pedophilia, I'm not sure why it matter who is fucking who, and how. Not really any of your business is it? The polygamy is bad drum is a stupid one to beat in the battle of the bands you have going on here.
Squamch
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Yeah, but so does the Bible from what I've been told.
I'm not sure, since I'm not particularly interested in reading self help books.
My favorite “contradiction” is on page 100:
“26 And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.”
Pretty straightforward summary.
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Really? Where?
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True, Missouri was the only state. Illinois just had sanctioned lynch mobs, that ended up killing Joseph and his Brother
Honestly, when polygamy started, it was legal. It was outlawed well after it had been a practice. Personally, any man crazy enough to have more than one has to have a screw loose. Many of the wives were basically kept women, and did not have to perform “wifely” duties, though he did have multiple wives that he had children with. I was not there, and do not totally understand the tenor of the times.
This is an interesting one. My opinion, and I do not totally know the thinking behind the massacre. It was ordered by a Stake president in Orderville. (I am going totally off memory) Remember, Orderville is quite a long ways from Salt Lake, or St. George where Brigham spent his summers. They also could not oick up the phone and call someone. You have to remember that many of the people that lived in the area were in the fourth place they had lived. They were chased from Kirtland, just because of their religion, and they were taking over their town. They went to Missouri, had an extermination order placed on them, because if church opposition to slavery, among other things, and has their wives and families raided many times, and then many of them had their families killed. Then they went to Nauvoo, remediated a swamp and built a beautiful city, to have their prophet killed, and have mobs chase them from their homes in the dead of winter. Here they are a long ways away, and people they don’t know their intentions are coming into the area that they had settled and started building up. Were they right to kill them? No, absolutely not. But you get punched in the face a few times, maybe lose a wife or kids, and you might get a little proactive in your protection.
I guess you are allowed your opinion. You can also be allowed to be wrong.
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1-The Book of Mormon teaches that the fall of man was a necessary step of God’s plan (2 Nephi 2:23-25). But the Bible teaches that Adam’s transgression was a violation of God’s plan (Genesis 3:16-19; Romans 5:12-14; 8:20-21).
2-The Book of Mormon teaches that children are born without any sin (Moroni 8:8). But the Bible teaches that children are born with original sin (Psalm 51:5).
3-The Book of Mormon teaches that salvation is by both grace and works (1 Nephi 25:23). But the Bible teaches that salvation is by grace alone (Ephesians 2:8,9).
4-The Book of Mormon teaches that black skin is a sign of God’s curse (2 Nephi 5:21). In contrast, the Bible teaches that God “made of one blood all nations of men” (Acts 17:26), there is no distinction between people (Galatians 3:28), and that God condemns favoritism (James 2:1).
5-The Book of Mormon says that at the tower of Babel the language of Jared, the brother of the first jaredite prophet and family members “were not confounded” (Ether 1:33-37). But the Bible says that God confused “the language of all the earth” (Genesis 11:9).
6-The book of Mormon says that the priesthood did not need to be Levites (2 Nephi 5:26). But the Bible says the priesthood could only be carried through the lineage of Aaron, a Levite (Numbers 3:9,10).
7-The Book of Mormon teaches that about 600 years before Christ, a Nephite prophet predicted that “many plain and precious parts” (1 Nephi 13:26-28) would be removed from the Bible. In contrast, Jesus exhibited full confidence in the scripture’s completeness and preservation down to His time (Mark 13:31; Matthew 5:18).
8-The biblical terms used to describe the Old Testament priesthood, temple, and appointed feasts are entirely missing in the Book of Mormon. These are crucial to understanding the plan of salvation as it was illustrated by the temple services.
9-The Book of Mormon teaches that there were many high priests serving at the same time (Mosiah 11:11; Alma 13:9-10; 46:6,38; Helaman 3:25). But the Bible teaches that only one individual at a time occupied the office of high priest which represented Christ (Leviticus 21:10; Matthew 26:3; Hebrews 8:6-7).
10-The Book of Mormon teaches that there were multiple temples (Alma 16:13; 23:2; 26:29). In contrast, the Old Testament teaches that God commanded Israel to build only one temple (Deuteronomy 12:5,13-14; 16:5-6) in Jerusalem (1 Kings 11:13,32,36; 14:21; 2 Kings 21:7; 23:27).
11-The Book of Mormon states that Jesus was born in “Jerusalem” (Alma 7:10). But the Bible prophecy concerning the Lord’s birth predicted that the Messiah would be born in “Bethlehem” (Micah 5:2) and the fulfillment of that prophecy is found in Matthew 2:1.
12-The Book of Mormon (Helaman 14:27) says that at the time of Christ’s crucifixion “darkness should cover the face of the whole earth for the space of three days.” In contrast, the New Testament teaches that there was darkness for only three hours while Jesus was on the cross (Matthew 27:45; Mark 15:33; Luke 23:44).
13-The Book of Mormon says that the church began in 147 BC (Mosiah 18:17). But the Bible says that the church began in 33 AD (Matthew 16:18; Acts 2).
14-The Book of Mormon, supposedly written in 73 BC refers, to Nephites as Christians. The Bible says that the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch in 40 AD (Acts 11:26).
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I think the point he is making is that Mormonism takes away the deity of Christ. Mormons believe they will be Gods one day, Jesus Christ says they won't. Christ also says there won't be any marriage in heaven... how do Mormons contend with that?
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Methinks Flecker got a toothy blowjob from a Mormon. lol I like the "discussion as it makes me learn new bits of history. I sat down and read the Meadow Massacre which I have never even heard of before. Discussion is excellent but it seems like a few have an axe to grind with the Mormons as if they participated in some heinous crimes. You can't hold modern day peoples to their ancestors actions. Just like todays whites are in no way responsible for slavery.
The issue I see is a couple guys trying to convince a Mormon he is somehow wrong in his beliefs or guilty of ancient misdeeds. Flecker, this would be like me trying to make you feel guilty for being white and casting yourself out of the white community and joining BLM. It just isn't going to happen. And if you hate a group of people based on religion then that is quite un-American. Unless it is muslims. They have caused a considerable loss of modern lives and a metric shit ton of money to be spent to stop them from their obligation to kill all infidels. Where their main fault lies is that there is NO separation of church and state. That and it holds a policy of "all in or die", which is unhumanitarian.
In conclusion, there is absolutely no problem with questioning anything, it causes smart people to research, form an opinion and a debate. Leveling accusations about a religion is antagonistic at best, personally attacking a mans religion is disrespectful and foolish. I say that because no one really knows shit when it comes to religion. God has not acted in modern times and it is a leap of faith and personal choice.
The issue I see is a couple guys trying to convince a Mormon he is somehow wrong in his beliefs or guilty of ancient misdeeds. Flecker, this would be like me trying to make you feel guilty for being white and casting yourself out of the white community and joining BLM. It just isn't going to happen. And if you hate a group of people based on religion then that is quite un-American. Unless it is muslims. They have caused a considerable loss of modern lives and a metric shit ton of money to be spent to stop them from their obligation to kill all infidels. Where their main fault lies is that there is NO separation of church and state. That and it holds a policy of "all in or die", which is unhumanitarian.
In conclusion, there is absolutely no problem with questioning anything, it causes smart people to research, form an opinion and a debate. Leveling accusations about a religion is antagonistic at best, personally attacking a mans religion is disrespectful and foolish. I say that because no one really knows shit when it comes to religion. God has not acted in modern times and it is a leap of faith and personal choice.
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clodhopper
Get off my lawn, punk!
I didnt realize we were supposed to be responding in essay format. My bad.
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what was the prompt again?
clodhopper
Get off my lawn, punk!
Dunno. I missed it too.
it only took another generation for the church to put the kabosh on polygamy. I posted the origins. Subsequent generations thought it was OK until the church ended it. That led to splinter groups like FLDS who wanted to hang on to old ways.
It's not much of a scandal when you consider what's happened in other churches over the centuries.
cite examples.