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Sonya Massey shooting
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Creep was an Army mechanic-
Illinois deputy who killed Sonya Massey discharged from Army for 'serious misconduct' in Kansas
Sean Grayson, who is white, is a former county sheriff deputy in Illinois. He is charged with murder in the July 6 death of Massey, who is Black. He was serving at Fort Riley in Kansas when the army discharged him.www.kcur.org
Thank God they told us he was white in the first sentence. This changes everything.
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Very important to point out white vs. black race anytime a black person is injured.
Of course, anytime a black youth knocks out an old lady for her purse or rapes a white women, we'll go ahead and not mention race at all.
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Files away in useless knowledge bank for “some day where I have to be John Wick” that I hope never comes and that I’m to out of shape to actually participate in
Sandy Johnson
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The first video made me sick. Looked like they just murdered her right there. I couldn't figure out why her "In the name of jesus" line made the cop go for his gun. Second video added a little more info though. Even with a gun pointed at her, she still tried to throw the boiling water on that cop right before he shot her. This is before he shot her and after she had ducked down behind the counter. She came back up with the pot again and tried to throw it on him:
So I'm wondering if maybe there was a history of her clashing with people and saying that jesus line right before shtf every time and the police knew about it?
Not saying they should have been in her house in the first place, but it looks like she went after the dude right before he shot her.
So I'm wondering if maybe there was a history of her clashing with people and saying that jesus line right before shtf every time and the police knew about it?
Not saying they should have been in her house in the first place, but it looks like she went after the dude right before he shot her.
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Why not? She called them and let them in. It was her. They didn't just show up on their own.
Should the cops simply ignore 911 calls?
There was no reason for them to enter the house, there was no reason for them to instruct her to fuck with that pot of boiling water. If they already knew her, there was no reason to see her i.d.
Sandy Johnson
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They didn't need to come in her house for anything. Could have waited outside while she got her ID
Yup, would be beyond a shadow of a doubt if she came at them with boiling water then.
I'd still blame the cop though
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I'm going to guess that even if she tried, it never would have reached the LEO's... So was it worth a gun shot vs. a taser??The first video made me sick. Looked like they just murdered her right there. I couldn't figure out why her "In the name of jesus" line made the cop go for his gun. Second video added a little more info though. Even with a gun pointed at her, she still tried to throw the boiling water on that cop right before he shot her. This is before he shot her and after she had ducked down behind the counter. She came back up with the pot again and tried to throw it on him:
So I'm wondering if maybe there was a history of her clashing with people and saying that jesus line right before shtf every time and the police knew about it?
Not saying they should have been in her house in the first place, but it looks like she went after the dude right before he shot her.
Sandy Johnson
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She did try and it didn't reach them. Later in the footage you can see steam coming off the chair in front of the LEO who shot her. Crazy lady with a pot of water doesn't merit lethal force. If he had one, he definitely should have pulled a tazer instead.
Once the gun came out, I believe there still should have been some effort at de-escalation, but that's easy for me to say sitting in my comfy chair with no crazy ladies around. Also I think a more "tatical" move on the part of the LEOs, who have guns with greater range than a pot of water, would have been to put some distance between her and them to give themselves time to convince her not to do anything stupid. Instead the lead guy closed the distance when she ducked.
I guess you could play devil's advocate all day and say he needed to get her back in view to make sure she wasn't going to come up from behind her counter with a bazooka or holy hand grenade or rabid fox or something.. But to me it seems smarter to keep your distance from the crazy lady with boiling water.
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What was said is what stood out the most to me
Sandy Johnson
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If there's no backstory, then everyone but the second cop in that video is completely unhinged.
There has to be backstory... I hope.
Wha??? Lucky.
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The perks of working in an all male department.
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Just to come right outta the gate with "I'll shoot you in your fucking face" or whatever it was. Just seemed a bit much
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"I'll shoot you in your fucking face".
Mission accomplished, bucket list check mark.
Mission accomplished, bucket list check mark.
Sandy Johnson
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I went back and watched it again. There doesn't seem to be anything that happens between "i'll shoot you right in your fucking face." and the time he decides to actually draw on her other than her maybe starting to say "I'll rebuke you in the name of jesus" again and getting cut off after "I'll".
Makes me think he's seen her do some crazy chit after saying that line in past encounters or something.
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immediate escalation there not deescalation. Training should be better than that and if you have the instincts that you’re afraid of minor threats the officer should find a new career or go back to active duty where that response is sort of ok. I have friends who say that during their deployments they had to absolutely be sure this type of reaction was justified when shooting terrorists as the whole world was watching but when they came back here and ended up cops that the bar was crazy low for use of force on US citizens.
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Just guessing here, but I think it's really common for someone to call the cops and when the cops show up at their door, they invite the cops in and the cops usually enter to discuss the situation inside rather than outside with busy bodies and such.
Did you watch the video? I never invite anyone in my house.
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She doesn't try to throw the water, she's trying to set the pot down when they go nuts and start shooting at her. She comes back up with the pot and tries to set it down again when they end up killing her. Can't blame her for not just dropping boiling water all over herself while she's getting shot at.
Cops also escalated everything from the time they showed up. There was no reason to ask for her ID, there was no reason to give her shit for how long it took to open the door. There was no reason to keep questioning her and go inside the home. The one cop who kept instigating and escalating was clearly fishing for a reason to come inside and search to look for a crime after they'd already found the one they came out for was nothing. It's one of several reasons you don't let cops in your house without a warrant. The only reason they're coming inside is to fish for other crimes.
Cops also escalated everything from the time they showed up. There was no reason to ask for her ID, there was no reason to give her shit for how long it took to open the door. There was no reason to keep questioning her and go inside the home. The one cop who kept instigating and escalating was clearly fishing for a reason to come inside and search to look for a crime after they'd already found the one they came out for was nothing. It's one of several reasons you don't let cops in your house without a warrant. The only reason they're coming inside is to fish for other crimes.
Motorcharge
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This. And if I talk to someone, especially cops at my front door I make a point to walk all the way out and shut the door behind me so they can't see into my house for a bullshit probable cause search and can't legally let themselves in.
Same thing if I get pulled over and they ask me to get out the car. Firs thing I do is lock it behind me.
This is what I saw, and nobody is dropping a pot of boiling water on their feet.
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Video starts with them already in the home. Is there video from before they enter?
First video in this thread
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I already saw a version of it elsewhere so didn't bother with the one posted here.First video in this thread
...and I can't watch it because it's just a white square. Probably posted from a phone and I'm on laptop. Oh well.
Motorcharge
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This video is 36 minutes of the bodycam footage.
edit: At 31:18 the officer who shot her goes back inside the house to talk to the cops inside and he repeatedly laughs about killing her, calls her a crazy fucking bitch, and calls his partner a dipshit repeatedly. Look at the faces of the rest of the cops he talks to and walks back outside to. None of them will even look him in the face.
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