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Seems like all those assholes in NATO are full of the people that want to install world government tyranny using the excuse of Covid. The United states has been the aggressor against underdogs before. So how is this different?
 
Animalmother said:
Seems like all those assholes in NATO are full of the people that want to install world government tyranny using the excuse of Covid. The United states has been the aggressor against underdogs before. So how is this different?
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Oh, because we normally ask for an election after overthrowing a despot and then lose the countries' people.
The Ukraine wanted to keep their leader who isn't an asshole. :flipoff2:

We also have no boots on the ground... they're doing it all on their own.
 
Grendel said:
Oh, because we normally ask for an election after overthrowing a despot and then lose the countries' people.
The Ukraine wanted to keep their leader who isn't an asshole. :flipoff2:

We also have no boots on the ground... they're doing it all on their own.
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Ukraine’s leader…Isn't he the one the United States had installed?

Doing it all on their own huh? Not sure about that one. What about all the boots on the ground of ours that are there unofficially?
 
Russia can be in the world. Just have to be satisfied with “their” world and stay in it. Everything was fucking peachy until they started shit.
 
Animalmother said:
Ukraine’s leader…Isn't he the one the United States had installed?

Doing it all on their own huh? Not sure about that one. What about all the boots on the ground of ours that are there unofficially?
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I would like some proof of US boots on the ground other than Sean Penn and his crew. I don’t think he provides too terribly much to thwart an invasion.
 
Remember, we had to wait for that prick to get out of Iraq so we could start bombing. (Penn)
 
Animalmother said:
Ukraine’s leader…Isn't he the one the United States had installed?

Doing it all on their own huh? Not sure about that one. What about all the boots on the ground of ours that are there unofficially?
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Not that I know of - they voted for a Comedian... he's not someone we'd typically install.

They have help, but it's not like we have a force there. I see Germany, a former Soviet socialist split country helping them more... then there's Poland, too.
 
DICKWEED said:
I would like some proof of US boots on the ground other than Sean Penn and his crew. I don’t think he provides too terribly much to thwart an invasion.
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No thats the problem. You dont need to know. We shouldn’t know jack shit about military operations. And then we have Joe Potato announcing to the world foreign policy. He pretty much gave Putin the green light for all this mess.
 
You never know but there might be some over there. Everybody I know is where they are supposed to be sitting on warning orders. My girlfriends son (spec ops) is stateside for training and just got his warning order.

I am the guy that buys all the shit for the whizz-bang guys in Hampton roads and I have been on my work computer all weekend watching “stuff” and I haven’t noticed anything obvious. But one never knows. They sure as fuck don’t ask my permission. Although at some point I plan to go with them to support when that time comes. They always need contract specialists and people to divvy up the money. Lol.
 
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Russian troops enter Ukraine's second city of Kharkiv and fierce fighting breaks out after Putin was said to be 'raging' at stalled invasion: Ukrainians obliterate Chechen special forces column of 56 tanks outside Kyiv and kills top general​


www.dailymail.co.uk

Kyiv comes under huge bombardment leaving a pulsing glow over the sky

Ukraine landed a significant blow on Russia Saturday after it killed a large group of bloodthirsty Chechen special forces dispatched to assassinate the country's president Volodymyr Zelensky.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
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Animalmother said:
No thats the problem. You dont need to know. We shouldn’t know jack shit about military operations. And then we have Joe Potato announcing to the world foreign policy. He pretty much gave Putin the green light for all this mess.
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Flat out saying "we won't go in" and leaving the impression that we will just stand aside and watch vs saying "we won't go in, but if Russia goes in, we will help the Ukrainian people defend themselves against Russian agression by any means possible" is a huge difference in message.

Aaron Z
 
aczlan said:
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Flat out saying "we won't go in" and leaving the impression that we will just stand aside and watch vs saying "we won't go in, but if Russia goes in, we will help the Ukrainian people defend themselves against Russian agression by any means possible" is a huge difference in message.

Aaron Z
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I get that but lets not pretend America is not deeply involved already or that Ukraine is all by themselves in their fight.
 
Mikel said:
With crazy people like that, why does it surprise anyone that when the Soviet Union collapsed, most of Russia's neighbors were clamoring to join Western institutions as quickly as humanly possible?
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Also, most nations know that Putin's "in bed" with the russian mob and that whole country is nothing other than a criminal organization.
They want nothing to do with those butchers.
 
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True story, except I was playing with Russian and Ukranian friends and we all freaked out:

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Putin's Back Is Against the Wall, and He's Forced Into Peace Talks

China also has to be rethinking its threats against Taiwan now, too...
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Putin's Back Is Against the Wall, and He's Forced Into Peace Talks​

By Nick Arama | Feb 27, 2022 2:30 PM ET
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While Kyiv is still under attack and great threat, it’s still standing yet another day, and that’s bad news for Vladimir Putin’s ambitions.


As we noted on Saturday, Putin is reportedly furious. He thought he was going to walk in, Zelensky and the people would flee in panic, and then he’d install a puppet government. While he was right about Joe Biden and the EU being slow to the table on sanctions, the Ukrainian people’s resilience is what has turned the tide against him. Reports are that the Ukrainians have in just four days killed over 4,300 Russian troops. The losses are staggering, if the numbers are accurate.


⚡️Approximately 4,300 Russian troops were killed so far, says Ukrainian Defense Ministry.
The ministry also said 706 Russian APCs, 146 tanks, 27 planes, and 26 helicopters had been destroyed between Feb. 24-26.
— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) February 27, 2022
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Just to put that in perspective, in 20 years in Afghanistan, more than 2,400 Americans were killed.

Putin hadn’t even outfitted his soldiers with sufficient food or fuel to go more than a few days, according to reports. According to some of the soldiers, they didn’t even know they were coming to fight in Ukraine, and others are conscripts being forced to fight. Not the force you need to fight people like the Ukrainians, who are fighting for their country and their lives. Ukraine even managed an attack on a Russian airbase just over the border in Russia.

The losses and being stalled on his objectives already have forced Putin to offer “talks” in Minsk, which would have been in Belarus — basically on his territory, since Belarus has shown they are in his pocket, letting him launch attacks from there. Ukraine has countered with talks at the border, and the Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has said they will be meeting there, “without preconditions.”

“We agreed that the Ukrainian delegation would meet with the Russian delegation without preconditions on the Ukrainian-Belarusian border, near the Pripyat River,” Zelensky announced on his official Telegram.


Zelensky admitted he wasn’t thinking much would come out of it but he needed to take every shot at peace he could.

“I do not really believe in the outcome of this meeting, but let them try so that later not a single citizen of Ukraine has any doubt that I, as President, tried to stop the war, when there was even a small, but still a chance.”
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It may have more of a shot than he thinks, if Putin is trying to think of a way out of the mess he’s made for himself. I’m not sure there’s a face-saving way out of it at this point. He’s put himself in a box, and that may be a dangerous thing if he thinks that he needs to show “strength” to get out of it. That may be the reason for the nuclear alert action that he took, as we reported earlier.

One of the reasons talks may be underway is that Putin was pushed by the Chinese President Xi to negotiate.

Xi said on the call with Putin that it is important to “abandon the Cold War mentality, attach importance to and respect the reasonable security concerns of all countries, and form a balanced, effective and sustainable European security mechanism through negotiations”.
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China has been aligned with Russia on this, and hasn’t condemned their invasion of Ukraine, in part because they have their ambitions on Taiwan. They’ve been carefully watching everything – evaluating how everyone is reacting here – with that thought in mind.


They may have looked at the weakness of Joe Biden, and that was likely giving them lots of ideas. We saw China make threatening comments and send more warplanes over Taiwan. They even said Ukraine is the future of Taiwan.

But looking at how Ukraine has responded and how the world has come together from many corners to condemn Russia, China has to be rethinking that thought. They don’t want to be cut off and made a pariah like what is happening to Russia. So, it’s just possible Ukraine may not only save themselves but they may help save Taiwan in the bargain.


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I'm sure what's happening in Ukraine has been making China redo their calculations in regards to a Taiwan takeover. I'm sure they're not giving up on it but definitely putting it off a little longer.
 
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