Russia / Ukraine thread

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And even worse is the old 1940s USSR tactics they used.

And they still won?

 

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Heard a interact today that 172 billion we’ve given is 3 times the annual budget for the Marines…

It's ok, went from public coffers to the private ones where the Senators have interests.

S'all good, man!

 

[shortbus4x4]

And they still won?

Yes, they also had a really big manufacturing power backing them then. And they had a bigger population to draw from.

 

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Yes, they also had a really big manufacturing power backing them then. And they had a bigger population to draw from.

Check out the big brain on Bret!

 

[Mikenike]

Ukraine is lucky russia has not steamrolled them into the stone age.

Interesting. I never took you for an idiot from your posts before. I don't want to hear but but my nukes either. Half their shit is rusting away and stuck in its silos and what isnt they couldn't use without being hit back and they fully know it.

Need a clue?

And they still won?

This guy i did though and still do. Damn you are stupid. They didn't win in the 40s and on their own they never would have. Even stalin admitted as much. They were at best holding through self genocide and barely had the material and men to do that much longer. They have definitely proved themselves an effective fighting force by compl..... No wait failing to complete their two week special operation in nearly 2 years. I don't like the Ukrainians either and think we should just fuck off of it.... But the russians haven't steamrolled shit or accomplished anything but looking real real stupid.

 

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Interesting. I never took you for an idiot from your posts before. I don't want to hear but but my nukes either. Half their shit is rusting away and stuck in its silos and what isnt they couldn't use without being hit back and they fully know it.



This guy i did though and still do. Damn you are stupid. They didn't win in the 40s and on their own they never would have. Even stalin admitted as much. They were at best holding through self genocide and barely had the material and men to do that much longer. They have definitely proved themselves an effective fighting force by compl..... No wait failing to complete their two week special operation in nearly 2 years. I don't like the Ukrainians either and think we should just fuck off of it.... But the russians haven't steamrolled shit or accomplished anything but looking real real stupid.

Ahh, coming from a bumfuck know nothing.

I can tell you have no intel except your beliefs.

I don't care anything about either "side" there. Objective geopolitical observer here. I wouldn't even put out an "opinion" whether I knew something or not.

I can tell you don't know, however.

 

[Animalmother]

Ukraine is lucky russia has not steamrolled them into the stone age.

They would be if it weren’t for our hundreds of billions.

 

[Thatg9659]

Should be split 400 and 400 each side of the border.

But but but Russia has more land and they were the aggressors that’s not fair

The "buffer zone" was Ukraine shelling civilians there since 2014.

It was an ethnic cleansing.

Maybe STFU, go read and get educated.

All I know about Ukraine is some of the women are hot and it was one of the most corrupt countries according to the media until 2022 when Ukraine never did wrong 🙄

That and some Democrat shitheads meddling with things over there may have prompted Putin to continue the Donbas war. Which was just a continuation of the Russo Ukraine war which started from the euromaiden protests. That were sparked by the then president abruptly deciding not to sign some European agreement to do with finances and regulations, after pressure from Putin.

 

[Splib]

Interesting. I never took you for an idiot from your posts before. I don't want to hear but but my nukes either. Half their shit is rusting away and stuck in its silos and what isnt they couldn't use without being hit back and they fully know it.



This guy i did though and still do. Damn you are stupid. They didn't win in the 40s and on their own they never would have. Even stalin admitted as much. They were at best holding through self genocide and barely had the material and men to do that much longer. They have definitely proved themselves an effective fighting force by compl..... No wait failing to complete their two week special operation in nearly 2 years. I don't like the Ukrainians either and think we should just fuck off of it.... But the russians haven't steamrolled shit or accomplished anything but looking real real stupid.

That is factually incorrect on massive terms and wholesale suckery of American propaganda.

 

[Mikenike]

Ahh, coming from a bumfuck know nothing.

I can tell you have no intel except your beliefs.

I don't care anything about either "side" there. Objective geopolitical observer here. I wouldn't even put out an "opinion" whether I knew something or not.

I can tell you don't know, however.

That is factually incorrect on massive terms and wholesale suckery of American propaganda.

So the russians have won ukraine then? Sitting in the capitol? Not still losing massive amounts of equipment? Not having to borrow from (checks notes) north korea? Thus proving they have never won a major conflict without someone elses industry to back them. Doesn't have several large Naval assets sitting on the bottom? Not still getting their pee pee slapped by museum I pieces?

 

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So the russians have won ukraine then? Sitting in the capitol? Not still losing massive amounts of equipment? Not having to borrow from (checks notes) north korea? Thus proving they have never won a major conflict without someone elses industry to back them. Doesn't have several large Naval assets sitting on the bottom? Not still getting their pee pee slapped by museum I pieces?

They NEVER wanted to "take" Ukraine, you simpleton. It's not hard to track.

 

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That and some Democrat shitheads meddling with things over there may have prompted Putin to continue the Donbas war. Which was just a continuation of the Russo Ukraine war which started from the euromaiden protests. That were sparked by the then president abruptly deciding not to sign some European agreement to do with finances and regulations, after pressure from Putin.

Wut?

Not even close. Are you an Historian for the Washington Post or something?

How much more backwards could you write this if you tried harder?

 

[Mikenike]

They NEVER wanted to "take" Ukraine, you simpleton. It's not hard to track.

Got it the goal was just to kill off a lot of their male population instead. Either way they haven't accomplished a fucking thing they set out to do or else they wouldn't still be fighting there.They are doing almost as well in ukrajne as they did in Afghanistan. For a "nuetral observer" you have had a lot of putins dick jn your mouth since this thread started there vlad.... Perhaps you also wish to join in the goal of dying for mother russia?

 

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Got it the goal was just to kill off a lot of their male population instead. Either way they haven't accomplished a fucking thing they set out to do or else they wouldn't still be fighting there.They are doing almost as well in ukrajne as they did in Afghanistan. For a "nuetral observer" you have had a lot of putins dick jn your mouth since this thread started there vlad.... Perhaps you also wish to join in the goal of dying for mother russia?

Man, I miss Screwzer. He was intelligent at least.

 

[grumpy356]

here is the thing…. I don’t care if there’s a right and a wrong on this issue.

It’s not my issue but they sure as fuck are taking my money and giving it freely.

This is ALL ABOUT Lockheed and the like selling weapons. That’s it. That’s the goal. Profits for the war machine.

 

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here is the thing…. I don’t care if there’s a right and a wrong on this issue.

It’s not my issue but they sure as fuck are taking my money and giving it freely.

This is ALL ABOUT Lockheed and the like selling weapons. That’s it. That’s the goal. Profits for the war machine.

Always was about money laundering out of the public trust and into certain corporate coffers.

The Senators (and many more) are getting their cut.

 

[east_beast]

This. This was never about Ukraine. We don't give a fuck about Ukraine. This was never about any concern about Russia sweeping across Europe like Hitler. That was always absurd. They don't have the ability or the desire. This was about war profiteering and using Ukrainians as cannon fodder in our geopolitical chess game.

 

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[IowaOffRoad]

This. This was never about Ukraine. We don't give a fuck about Ukraine. This was never about any concern about Russia sweeping across Europe like Hitler. That was always absurd. They don't have the ability or the desire. This was about war profiteering and using Ukrainians as cannon fodder in our geopolitical chess game.

A Ukraine War and the End of Russia - Zeihan on Geopolitics

He wrote this before they invaded.
I don’t always agree with Peter’s solutions, but he states the problem Russia wants to solve well.
It is deeply ingrained in the psyche of (the leaders of) Russia that they are basically Slavic German with 20x the border problems. The borders of the USSR also with the buffer of the Warsaw pact states is the first time ever they were able to achieve something like comfortable naturally defensive borders.
They don’t want Ukraine, they need it to not unwind 400 years of territorial gains.

 

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A Ukraine War and the End of Russia - Zeihan on Geopolitics

He wrote this before they invaded.
I don’t always agree with Peter’s solutions, but he states the problem Russia wants to solve well.
It is deeply ingrained in the psyche of (the leaders of) Russia that they are basically Slavic German with 20x the border problems. The borders of the USSR also with the buffer of the Warsaw pact states is the first time ever they were able to achieve something like comfortable naturally defensive borders.
They don’t want Ukraine, they need it to not unwind 400 years of territorial gains.

The Poles wanted to "go help" Ukraine in the western part. Planned not to leave, and "reclaim" their hereditary "lands".

Same stuff.

"Loot a burning House" as Sun Tzu posited.

 

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So the russians have won ukraine then? Sitting in the capitol? Not still losing massive amounts of equipment? Not having to borrow from (checks notes) north korea? Thus proving they have never won a major conflict without someone elses industry to back them. Doesn't have several large Naval assets sitting on the bottom? Not still getting their pee pee slapped by museum I pieces?

No. Russia won against the Nazis and paid in blood. Stalin never said that he would not have won without the USA support. I responded to your bs about The USA winning the second world war for Russia. That’s stupid and ignorant. Stop

“They didn’t win in the 1940’s and wouldn’t have “.

BULLSHIT

Stop

 

[westracing01]

US supplies of materiel to the Russians greatly helped in WWII as it bought the Russians time to rebuild manufacturing East of the Urals, out of reach of the Nazi's, and the regear the Army. Could they have done it without the US aid? Possibly. Hard to say. They never lost the caucus oil fields but it was close. The counterattack at Stalingrad that began the turning of the tide halted the planned advance South. Assuming without US aid that counterattack doesn't happen until Spring '43 or later, and starts farther East, the Nazis might well have had the caucuses and the Russians job of removing them from the Motherland would've been a lot harder. That in turn would've made our job in the West that much more difficult.

The Eastern front was brutal. We delayed a bit and let the Russians get to Berlin first because going house by house to clear the Nazis was nobodies idea of a good time and the Russians were out for payback.

As for Ukraine... 800 Mile neutral zone is a starting point to negotiate. The pledge for Ukraine not to join NATO is going to be an absolute must have for the Russians. Ukraine has to remain neutral with no Western forces allowed permanent station within the borders.

 

[Redrider]

Whatever happens in Ukraine will be on Russian terms. So far no one has asked them what the terms are. Wait and see......

 

[Firstram]

This is fucking ridiculous

 

[east_beast]

This is fucking ridiculous

There's going to be maximum escalation between now and Inauguration Day. The war hawks are going to push to throw the kitchen sink at this thing and squeeze every dime out of it while they can.

 

[bdkw1]

 

[Redrider]

There does not seem to be any official release from the Biden Department on this. Russia is really putting it to Ukraine now so its maybe, I hope, a lot of fluster to get a better bargaining chip on the peace deal.

 

[Splib]

Hey !! That's the Lungs of the Planet he is visiting

 

[Mr.Ratbastard]

Anonymous U.S. officials have said that President Joe Biden has authorized Ukraine to use long-range missiles provided by the United States to strike targets in the Russian region of Kursk, which is currently occupied by Ukraine in the ongoing war.

Ukrainian forces launched a significant cross-border operation into Russia’s region of Kursk earlier this year. Intense fighting is ongoing as Russian forces attempt to reclaim lost territory. Ukraine seized several settlements and is still holding strategic positions. In response, Russia has allowed 11,000 North Korean soldiers to amass in Kursk to aid its fight.
Last year, in response to North Korea supplying Russia with long-range ballistic missiles, the Biden administration already greenlighted the use of the long-range Army Tactical Missile System, or ATACMs—with a range of about 190 miles—by Ukraine for targets within its territories, including in Russian-occupied Crimea.

The latest decision to allow Ukraine to expand its use of U.S. missiles comes in Biden’s last two months in office, according to the unnamed officials who talked to The New York Times. The officials also claimed that while the missiles are intended to support Ukraine’s fight in Kursk, they believed that Biden could authorize their use elsewhere in Russia.
They said that they do not believe the permission to use the missiles will significantly change the outcome of the war.

The officials said that Biden decided to lift the restrictions for Kursk, in part, because he believes the United States needs a strong response to Russia employing the North Korean troops on its frontlines. The president was also concerned that Ukrainian forces could be overwhelmed without using the missiles, they said.

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The officials and the others knowledgeable about the matter were not authorized to discuss the decision publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity, The Associated Press reported on Nov. 17.

The White House declined The Epoch Times’ request for comment.

Rep. Marilyn Strickland (D-D.C.) told NTD, a sister outlet of The Epoch Times, in response to the report that the approval “was a policy that was necessary.”
“As always, we don’t want to escalate but Ukraine’s our partner. We have to stand with them. They have to be able to defend themselves,” she said.

According to the AP report, other officials said the decision does not have unanimous support in the U.S. government. President-elect Donald Trump has also said his administration will seek to de-escalate, if not end, the war. Trump or the Trump campaign hasn’t publicly responded to the reports as of publication time.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said on Sunday in response to the anonymous reports that, “Strikes are not made with words. Such things are not announced. The missiles will speak for themselves.”

Zelenskyy also told Ukrainian media on Friday that Kyiv hopes to end the war with Russia next year through “diplomatic means” once Trump is in office.
Zelenskyy has long been seeking permission to use long-range weapons inside Russian territories, and Biden had remained opposed. At the time, Biden said he felt allowing U.S. missiles to be used on Russian territories could draw the United States and other NATO members into direct conflict with nuclear-armed Russia.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned that if NATO allies allow Ukraine to strike inside Russian territory, it would be considered the same as getting directly involved in the war, and that Moscow could provide long-range weapons to others to strike Western targets.
The United Kingdom and France had also supplied Ukraine with some Storm Shadow and SCALP missiles with a range of about 155 miles, and said they would follow U.S. restrictions on missile use despite their support for Zelenskyy’s requests to strike inside Russia.

In response to the reports, Donald Trump Jr. said on social media platform X, “The Military Industrial Complex seems to want to make sure they get World War 3 going before my father has a chance to create peace and save lives.”
Richard Grenell, former acting director of national Intelligence, said on X the move is “as if [Biden] is launching a whole new war.”
America is Ukraine’s most valuable ally in the war, providing more than $56.2 billion in security assistance since Russian forces invaded in February 2022.

Worried about Russia’s response, however, the Biden administration repeatedly has delayed providing some advanced weapons sought by Ukraine, agreeing only under pressure from Kyiv, its supporters, and in consultation with allies.


That includes initially refusing Zelenskyy’s pleas for advanced tanks, Patriot air defense systems, and F-16 fighter jets, among other systems.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

 

[Mr.Ratbastard]

One last push for stealing money.